Removal of Swan Off

[IDoNotKeyBind]

Well you can't even compare LSRCR with real life. If you say in real life Army doesn't use swan off, then in real life, which cop can tazer, cuff, and arrest a suspect in 1second? The /ar command is a total teleportation so you just can't compare any server with real life (maybe you can the servers who are strict RP). For once you way this is a semi-RP server and then you start comparing it with real life. Anyway, I'm currently not sure to vote Yes or No, so I will let this aside for now.

[Draco]

Enough of you guys trying to roast each other, this is a suggestion, leave your opinion and shut the fuck up. Try to start an arguement after this post and you're getting a 3 day bitch slap.

2-shot and C-bug are SA:MP bugs but only 2-shot is allowed, why? Either allow both of them or disable 2-shot as well, the server rules says that you may not abuse a bug but all of us have been breaking this rule since ages.. I think the Roleplay in Lsrcr is just useless, I'd love the tag to be Lscr instead of Lsrcr because no one actually wants to roleplay.. People are misguided when they join, I've seen some players complaining on mainchat or /ask that - "Where's the roleplay?".

Alright, if you wanna keep the sawnoffs in the server, remove the /loc command and disable map markers for EVERYONE. If you plan on robbing a store, it will take at least 20-25 seconds instead of 14 seconds. Cops will still be notified through their Radio like "Dispatch: A robbery is blah blah" but they will not be able to /loc the criminal, this not only will balance the gameplay a bit but increase interaction of players in other cities(SF, LV), and some of you will be curious on how will we take the hits.. Add a new class(P.I.) that you can hire and they will be able to use a command, let's say /find and it will give them a red marker for the one they used the command on for 5-10 seconds.

[Razer531]

I am just laughing how people vote "-1" because it is the most powerful weapon currently. If we had minigun, would you support it for the same reason? xD

nice comparance

[Kaosx234]

Enough of you guys trying to roast each other, this is a suggestion, leave your opinion and shut the fuck up. Try to start an arguement after this post and you're getting a 3 day bitch slap.

2-shot and C-bug are SA:MP bugs but only 2-shot is allowed, why? Either allow both of them or disable 2-shot as well, the server rules says that you may not abuse a bug but all of us have been breaking this rule since ages.. I think the Roleplay in Lsrcr is just useless, I'd love the tag to be Lscr instead of Lsrcr because no one actually wants to roleplay.. People are misguided when they join, I've seen some players complaining on mainchat or /ask that - "Where's the roleplay?".

Alright, if you wanna keep the sawnoffs in the server, remove the /loc command and disable map markers for EVERYONE. If you plan on robbing a store, it will take at least 20-25 seconds instead of 14 seconds. Cops will still be notified through their Radio like "Dispatch: A robbery is blah blah" but they will not be able to /loc the criminal, this not only will balance the gameplay a bit but increase interaction of players in other cities(SF, LV), and some of you will be curious on how will we take the hits.. Add a new class(P.I.) that you can hire and they will be able to use a command, let's say /find and it will give them a red marker for the one they used the command on for 5-10 seconds.

Can I know, why discussing an opinion is not allowed? I mean, I never went full retard to insult anyone in this discussion nor I will. And finally, I never used "roleplay" argument into my favor.

As for Car, do you want to duel me with your combat shotgun (or deagle) and I will use sawn off?

Well you can't even compare LSRCR with real life. If you say in real life Army doesn't use swan off, then in real life, which cop can tazer, cuff, and arrest a suspect in 1second? The /ar command is a total teleportation so you just can't compare any server with real life (maybe you can the servers who are strict RP). For once you way this is a semi-RP server and then you start comparing it with real life. Anyway, I'm currently not sure to vote Yes or No, so I will let this aside for now.

You didn't read past comments, did you?

[Geri]

Of course /taze /cuff /ar its not like in real life, but it represents the real life. But tell me a guy which uses s/o and uses two shots. Its like magic right? It doesnt represent the real life.

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On the topic again:
S/O is a gun which is much more op then the other guns. S/O is not realistic at all.

[NotAnAdmin]

Of course /taze /cuff /ar its not like in real life, but it represents the real life. But tell me a guy which uses s/o and uses two shots. Its like magic right? It doesnt represent the real life.

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On the topic again:
S/O is a gun which is much more op then the other guns. S/O is not realistic at all.

By that logic, if you remove S/O, some other gun will be the best. Then the community will ask to remove it, and slowly, the only thing we'll be fighting with or duelling with would be dildos.

[Geri]

@Notan: All the guns are the same accept S/O. They are too op.

[Shady]

- Breathes in -

Alright time to post my opinion,long post incoming - read it all if you're going to reply back. Not going to change any players minds but whoever voted negative (-1) should read this. Here we go;

• Me,Myself and I - G-Eazy ft. Bebe Rexha
  Personally,I'm barely playing Los Santos Roleplay Cops and Robbers (LSRCR) anymore. Look at my activity, last online 10 days ago. The combat sucks,not going to lie. What's the point in playing as a criminal if i'm going to get raped by 2shots by 2 or more Law Enforcements (Cops,SWAT and Army). And what's the point in playing as a law enforcement if i'm going to get raped by 2 shots from a gang of criminals. Lately,everytime [Lsrcr]Shaco logs in-game is to host some events and roam around. That's it.
  

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• LSRCR!!!!!
  LSRCR was always a light roleplay server but that doesn't mean that the word roleplay stand for nothing. The sawn off 2 shot was always around LSRCR and it's not something that we should remove just like that however,right now,on the 19th of June 2016,90% of the server uses it to attack / defend themselves. The gameplay has been literally narrowed down to one weapon. It's the most overused weapon without no doubt. *THIS ISN'T HOW YOU PLAY A ROLEPLAY COPS AND ROBBERS SERVER.
  
  *An old player's post by Axu. So fuckin' on point
  Spoiler: show

  This thing feels like the removing of deagle-db. The people who want to keep it the same are the main users (and abusers) of it, and since they have grown too much into it, they can't play the game otherwise.
  
  Why the hell are you afraid of this change? Sawnoff is A SINGLE weapon. There are other weapons for a reason, and there is a reason many many other servers do not have dual-wield sawnoffs, even sawnoffs at all. Like mentioned, actual tactics would have to be implemented (might sound weird word for you guys who know only words duel and no commands).
  
  I didn't even think of this beforehand, since I had grown used to it as well. But when you actually think about how it is currently it is ridiculous. They suck up the joy and diversity from the gameplay, narrowing it down to the "golden road". Face it, sawnoff is overpowered as a dual-wield weapon, and nothing else is used in combat. Chasing a criminal? Sawnoff his back. Criminal entered a car? Sawnoff three combos and the car is destroyed. Narrow gaming, narrow gaming, narrow gaming.
  
  But if you like narrow games, be my guest. Plenty of FPS's out there, but SA is not supposed to be played like that. It is meant to be played with diversity, with tactics, with balance. Rockstar did not have multiplayer combat in mind when they designed sawnoff, for a reason, and SAMP did neither, when it set the default weapon skill full on every weapon.
  
  As said, I too hate the fact that arresting and commands are labeled as pussy moves, since they are the only thing that currently counters the sawnoff-meta. I rarely see a criminal that actually tries to escape, when his vehicle has blown up. Oh no, he whips out the sawnoff and I have to duel this guy since the candy god invented pinball machine and the government of Moon is corrupt.
  
  if I didnt make myself clear, you have all my plus-ones that I have ever had possibility to give.
  
  
  and since pain posted while doing this: I've been using all guns for 5 years, including sawnoff. Why is it so hard to develop some new tactics? Don't sawnoffs get boring after the millionth buck you have aimed at general direction of your target? Like said, fightclubs are open for your kind of people. You can shoot each other with another million bucks, but you do not need to narrow everyone elses game.

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• DUDE SAWN OFF IS THE ONLY WEAPON I USE TO NOT GET ARRESTED IN 1 SEC AND YOU WANNA REMOVE IT?!?!?!?
  We can always nerf and rework the arresting system and make it more challenging. I think we can all agree that the arresting system is way too easy.
  

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• Adapting & moving on
  A lot of default sa-mp building have been removed due to players bases. The great LSRCR Volcano was removed,we missed it but we moved on. Some of the players (happened to Syshad so i'm going to speak in his perspective on this one) lost his house because of a base,he didn't like idea that he lost his house but he moved on. A lot of players liked deagle drive-by,when it got removed everyone wanted it back but everyone moved on. Some players like c-bug but it's forbidden so we have to move on. Adapt and move on.
  

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• Why is 2 shot allowed and c-bug isn't?
  A lot of players say that the sawn off 2 shot creates a whole new different and more competitive gameplay ,without no doubt this is true but in that case shouldn't that apply to c-bug aswell? I tell you why c-bug is forbidden, It's forbidden because it's a bug and an overpowered / imbalanced way of killing others. I know players in this server that use c-bug and they are very good at it but they don't use it here since it's forbidden. They accepted the fact that it's not fair to abuse a bug in order to kill others.
  

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• Would we lose players if 2 shot gets removed?
  In my opinion,this server has took bigger risks than this; Global unban,removal of deagle db etc. I don't necessarily think we would lose a lot of players. If the true community members really respect and want to stay loyal to the server,they stay and accept the fact that the 2 shot is a game bug and move on. It would be utterly ridiculous to leave because of a bug. There's a chance we would gain new players because there would be less bug abuse around the server. Which brings me to the next point.
  

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• My personal observation as an admin / losing players
  The past few weeks and back when i was admin in 2012-2013 whenever I spectated someone using 2 shot on someone who has 0/low score and dies he /q's and doesn't even reconnect. Automatically he thinks that guy is abusing a bug when in the LSRCR rules there is written that we do not tolerate bug exploits. He gets a bad impression of the server and leave. Do you blame him? Not at all since he is new and doesn't know what's going on. Trust me you will be amazed how much this happens. This probably happens on daily basis now.
  

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• Understand this: Not everyone likes to duel with sawn offs. Hell,this isn't a dueling / DM server so it's not it's place in LSRCR after all. Right now,if you don't know how to use the sawn off 2-shot you're considered a noob/unskilled player. I don't know if my logic is retarded but abusing a bug to kill others isn't a professional way to win,no?
  
  P.S - If a cop arrests a player using 2 shot,he isn't a pussy or a noob. Most probably he doesn't know how to 2 shot and his only option is to arrest. Can't blame him.
  

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• Other suggestions:
  -We can keep sawn off 2 shot in fightclubs (for those who want to duel) and in duel events hosted by admins
  -We can keep the sawn off weapons but can't use the 2 shot bug (like we keep the desert eagle without the c-bug)
  -We can limit the sawn off to a one hand weapon - viewtopic.php?f=386&t=72715

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Hope you survived the long post :smile5:

[IDoNotKeyBind]

@Kaosx234;
No, I didn't because I thought it was you and some others arguing. Anyway, I'll make sure to read it then cast my vote.

[Jaker]

+1 for all you said Shaco. Not because you're an admin, but because it makes sense.