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dev3r3r wrote:

My brother is 15-16
He doesn't do sh*t like that


Yes + You did help them.



That's not a revenge, It's just a restriction .
If there is anything threatening the player base,
It should be killed.

I know your brother and i'm also 16, But for example someone like Sanel he's 11 years old he had many accounts like Mozal, mebob50 and many of them do you think if you banned him more and more will stop him even if you Range ban the cafe he will buy a pc and continue it so he already don't have anything to lose if you range ban the cafe and if he didn't buy a pc you will encounter many copies of hero_dark, But if we give him a chance and learning him the rules he will stay away from mistakes as he don't want to get ban and creating a new account etc..., You thinking guys that you can rule a kid ?.

As about tests, I will not talk much about this, Asi'm not stupid to this level to destroy my career.

Let's face it, current staff have failed.

How many good players who had/have the tag, supporter, and so on, have been nailed against the fucking wall and humiliated because of ban evading little brats, report hunters, and hackers who report them trying to cover up their crimes?

How many good players have completely given up on LS-RCR because of this garbage? Don't tell me the issue is "oh FiveM" because it's not, not to this degree.

How many times have staff banned cafe users? Gwyneth? Hero_dark? Omarflx100? [E]pisode? Highnasty? And how many times have these pricks evaded the ban to hack and start shit, or report hunt good players purely out of revenge?

How many times have staff sat on their fucking asses saying they can't do shit? "It's a cafe, I don't know the main." or "We need to make a team decision"?

Let me explain something to everyone here... I think it's time to come clean with you all...

I have been doing this since 2006. I am not going to go into my credentials here, but I know more than players or staff would like me to know. I know exactly how the staff works, and more importantly, how it's failing it's playerbase. And sure, JohnCarer, Immortal, and so on can all hate me for speaking out, but remember, I come from a place with free speech and the right to an opinion. I am not hating on staff, I am not insulting them, but I do personally feel as if staff has failed. Failure to issue appropriate range banning according to original layout procedures. Failure to adhere by official SA-MP TOS regarding personal information (You blatantly let players give out their info, and most are underage. Not only is that a SA-MP TOS violation, it violates the US COPPA laws as well). I've noticed server-side RCON log in is also blocked, because you cannot say "RCON" in the chat. Failure to review evidence properly. Failure to allow reasonable defenses, failure to acquit based on reasonable doubt, failure to appeal bans properly (we all remember Shiny vs Diplo, that should NEVER have happened!). Failure to allow public staff reporting (this keeps staff accountable) failure to provide evidence (you can censor classified data, I know what you guys see in your chats, just block it out). Failure to have assigned time slots for staff (there should be at least one member of staff on at all times) and failure to come when called on discord.

Now, I can continue listing problems, but it's ultimately pointless. LS-RCR and it's original build, LV-RCR, and it's pre-2012 builds have always been an outlier in the SA-MP staff designs. That wasn't a problem before, because we didn't care before. In the golden age, 2007-2011, server owners were GOD. They made the final choice. They could unban someone because 'lol' or they could ban someone for "fuck off censored". The owner of a server was held to no one and nothing outside the TOS of SA-MP. This was design, to limit shit servers. Owners who fucked shit up and pissed off users almost always had to shut down because running a server costs money (LS-RCR has operating costs of 80 euros a month) and when you piss off your playerbase, they don't donate, and they don't play. Basically, shit owners ran the server into the ground, users left, server closed. Bad servers got shut down. The issue with this formula now, is... where can players go? LS-RCR is the LAST roleplay/CNR server. There are other servers with similar formats, but none are like here. Players ultimately can't leave, because they've nowhere to go. CXdur is a great owner, he's one I support, but... he's not exactly a front runner for standing up and taking charge. He allows a staff "team" to make choices, and ultimately the failure there, is that when the staff isn't making the right choices, the owner needs to man up and either make the call himself, or evaluate his staff and start making firings and hirings.

Now, that said, I do have an opinion on how to fix it. This is not me making demands, or insults, don't get it twisted. This is me, as someone who knows more than you think, making suggestions based on experience.

1: Issue range bans on cafe's with 50+ ban evades, and 5+ original aimbot bans. Now you might be saying "but we'd be banning innocent players" and yes, that is true. However, there is a way out, and for the players, it's the risk they KNEW they took when they played in a cafe with hackers. They KNOW people in their cafe's are hacking, and so they are ultimately in a position of having to deal with the repercussions of not finding a new place to play from. As for the out, issue a rangeban to a cafe, and when someone appeals it (you know they will) make this offer...
"To remove the rangeban the cafe owner must pay a fee of 50euros"
The owner makes that much in a day, and will likely pay it to keep their clients happy. Next aimbot ban? Rangeban instantly, and another 50 euro fee. I give them at MOST 5 fines, and they will probably bar the hackers from ever setting foot in the cafe again, allowing only good players in.
2: Expedite the report section. It's gotten better since the last time I whined on this point, but some reports still take 3-7 days, and that's really not acceptable. I work 40+ hours a week, and I check forums daily. I also care for a dying stepdad, and still check forums at LEAST 4 times daily. I have a life, and I can still do it. Now I don't expect that kind of dedication from everyone, but I'm rather tired of the "I have a life too" excuse. If you do NOT like spending the time looking into reports, hackers, and so on... why are you staff? If you hate doing the work so much... retire.
3: Get more staff in game! This one is huge, because we've seen a massive rise in hackers lately, and often the second we call for someone on discord, the guy runs. They are absolutely monitoring the HAN discord channel. You are being spied on by hackers. You need to get people in game to catch them, because once we call on HAN, it's likely they're going to leave and switch to a new IP and allow you to ban the old IP, and then they continue on the new IP.
4: Stop treating old and respected players like garbage. I don't just mean myself here. Ackman, Robin, Playa, Venom, Balsa, Funderburk, Diplo, Mateej, Tomahawk... there are too many cases of regular long time high activity tagged members getting FUCKED by staff over tiny shit because of cafe users. Ackman lost his tag for 'c-bugging' by a player who ADMITTED to report hunting! Robin has said himself he will return if you deal with the cafe hacking issue. Diplo and Mateej spent days banned for something they didn't do because of a rouge admin. Tomahawk came very, VERY close to losing his tag over a rule that ISNT IN THE RULES! We are all people who have supported you in various ways. From our thanks, to our respect, to our loyalty, to our financial assistance, we are the ones who are the 'community'. Now I'm not saying that cafe users who obey the rules and so on cannot be part of the community, but when it comes down to Ackman, myself, and Robin, against [E]pisode, Omarflx100, and Gwyneth123, who is doing more for the server, and keeping it alive? The ones putting in money, time, effort, and playing for years, or the children hacking and ruining the gameplay for everyone?
5: Redo the rules, and do it RIGHT. I've already suggested a full set, ready to go, ready to be implimented. Just copy/paste it. But you won't get anything done soon unless you get the rules in clear black and white for everyone to understand, so you don't have misunderstandings and staff who argue/disagree with what a rule means, or what is/isnt a rule break.

Don't think I'm being mean, or judgmental, or rude. I've been speaking on this in tiny bits for months, since before I even lost my tag. I've been very quite about how I truly feel about the staff team. Staff keep wondering why I'm so angry all the time. They even took my tag because of my 'anger'. You want to know why I'm truly so angry? Well... you've just read it. Everything I said above, and how I feel that I've been failed, hurt, and betrayed, by the staff members who are supposed to be protecting me... that's where the anger comes from. And it's not only for me, it's for all the players who get fucked up the ass with a cactus without lube! That's how playing this server can feel when players are just blatantly hacking and breaking rules and abusing things and staff just doesn't care or do anything. It hurts... and it causes pain... and that pain becomes anger. Because I KNOW the right staff could fix this place, and the right staff format could make this place incredible again. I feel like when a favorite server of mine died back in 2010. Our old owner was an amazing man... but he had college and so he sold the server... new owner fucked shit up. He killed that server in under a year. Firing me as head admin and banning me because I told him he was wrong... he saw a 47% drop in playerbase within a week, never got them back. I don't want to see more loved and respected players leave LS-RCR, because it'll doom the server. If you don't help us, and keep mistreating us while bowing to the demands of cafes and the like... who will donate? If all the tagged donators leave... the cafe isn't going to cover your op-cost. LS-RCR will close. I don't wanna see that again.

so you want to range ban the entire playerbase? because our playerbase is essentially those cafes.

do you not think the staff team realizes the situation and the predicament they are in? stuck between deciding if they should range ban cafes and lose 90% of the playerbase, or just continue to let them play while banning the accounts that get caught.

theres no win scenario. I too would like to see something done about the cafes that cheat, but unfortunately nothing will happen.

It's been done before. Don't allow multiple connections from the same ip. It used to be not allowed unless whitelisted with certain usernames. I know for a fact the average cafe player has Atleast 7 uc accounts so we should disallow undercover accounts that are majorly used for bitching cheating and harassing. Make a section that a cafe has to list all of their members and have another player whitelisted into the server with the rest.

One of the reason I left Ls-rcr include player's attitude, staff's attitude nowadays not like before, no more fun. Even before they were newbie begging for something but after being staff acting ignorant. I miss old staffs management.

Nothing personal it is just from my perspective.

Hi since i saw this topic i should post here I am hero dark I was cafe player in the firs then i bought pc however, Lemme explain you something about cafe players and owner of the cafe, Well someone has posted and said you should ban the ip until the people don't evade or come with uc and annoying us, let's take a guess the owner of the cafe made the cafe for samp players i mean how he will get money? a lot of players are playing samp so they will open and pay money if the ip has banned what will do the owner? the people will not be able to join so the cafe's owner will get sad because his work will be like end, So about the people who annoying/rulebreak/evading/ as adienbob said they just can't speak English or understand the rules they just want rights and keep killing robbing etc. like as you can see everyday cafes players says '' give me rank 1 team f8 please <3 300k'' and them spamming it, these people is 10/9/8/7 years old, btw there are people have 5 year old and plays samp because it's fun for them, I'm one of the cafe and i've see the annoying everyday, also yesterday i was staying with my friends in the cafe and i didn't open samp, and i saw someone was telling to some player named Dautgher something you are hero_dark i was laughing because it wasn't me, I'm not opening the game to annoying the people it's my fault and i got banned no one have a relationship of my banning, So since i saw my name wrote, I want to reply mathir and karu tepes, firstly i can speak English but not very well, however, i just did annoying the community after i got banned, nowadays i am helping the admins not annoying the admins @[Lsrcr]Fantastic can even say that, So guys you can ignore these people who annoying you atleast use /ignore if they keep following you just can pm anyone of who plays with them in the cafe and he can understand you so he will tell him in the real life to now follow you, I already spoken with the cafe's owner about that and he can't do anything with it, he also told to the people to do not annoying already. but they don't listen, i was playing in one cafe and there are too many cafes like thomas's cafe Bcar's cafe these cafes have players are so annoying, by the way to our cafe we don't have people annoying the community half of the cafe can understand the English a little, Actually in my cafe a lot of evaders, but they see samp game they not will listen to any admin who says '' Don't ban evade'' they see the games aren't have rules because it's called a game, I hope you understand me Thanks.

omg please leave us alone ur worse than my nightmares

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Diego78 wrote:

Hi since i saw this topic i should post here I am hero dark I was cafe player in the firs then i bought pc however, Lemme explain you something about cafe players and owner of the cafe, Well someone has posted and said you should ban the ip until the people don't evade or come with uc and annoying us, let's take a guess the owner of the cafe made the cafe for samp players i mean how he will get money? a lot of players are playing samp so they will open and pay money if the ip has banned what will do the owner? the people will not be able to join so the cafe's owner will get sad because his work will be like end, So about the people who annoying/rulebreak/evading/ as adienbob said they just can't speak English or understand the rules they just want rights and keep killing robbing etc. like as you can see everyday cafes players says '' give me rank 1 team f8 please <3 300k'' and them spamming it, these people is 10/9/8/7 years old, btw there are people have 5 year old and plays samp because it's fun for them, I'm one of the cafe and i've see the annoying everyday, also yesterday i was staying with my friends in the cafe and i didn't open samp, and i saw someone was telling to some player named Dautgher something you are hero_dark i was laughing because it wasn't me, I'm not opening the game to annoying the people it's my fault and i got banned no one have a relationship of my banning, So since i saw my name wrote, I want to reply mathir and karu tepes, firstly i can speak English but not very well, however, i just did annoying the community after i got banned, nowadays i am helping the admins not annoying the admins @[Lsrcr]Fantastic can even say that, So guys you can ignore these people who annoying you atleast use /ignore if they keep following you just can pm anyone of who plays with them in the cafe and he can understand you so he will tell him in the real life to now follow you, I already spoken with the cafe's owner about that and he can't do anything with it, he also told to the people to do not annoying already. but they don't listen, i was playing in one cafe and there are too many cafes like thomas's cafe Bcar's cafe these cafes have players are so annoying, by the way to our cafe we don't have people annoying the community half of the cafe can understand the English a little, Actually in my cafe a lot of evaders, but they see samp game they not will listen to any admin who says '' Don't ban evade'' they see the games aren't have rules because it's called a game, I hope you understand me Thanks.

omg please leave us alone ur worse than my nightmares

Tell me more about ur nightmares *thinking*

Karu_Tepes wrote:

Let's face it, current staff have failed.

How many good players who had/have the tag, supporter, and so on, have been nailed against the fucking wall and humiliated because of ban evading little brats, report hunters, and hackers who report them trying to cover up their crimes?

How many good players have completely given up on LS-RCR because of this garbage? Don't tell me the issue is "oh FiveM" because it's not, not to this degree.

How many times have staff banned cafe users? Gwyneth? Hero_dark? Omarflx100? [E]pisode? Highnasty? And how many times have these pricks evaded the ban to hack and start shit, or report hunt good players purely out of revenge?

How many times have staff sat on their fucking asses saying they can't do shit? "It's a cafe, I don't know the main." or "We need to make a team decision"?

Let me explain something to everyone here... I think it's time to come clean with you all...

I have been doing this since 2006. I am not going to go into my credentials here, but I know more than players or staff would like me to know. I know exactly how the staff works, and more importantly, how it's failing it's playerbase. And sure, JohnCarer, Immortal, and so on can all hate me for speaking out, but remember, I come from a place with free speech and the right to an opinion. I am not hating on staff, I am not insulting them, but I do personally feel as if staff has failed. Failure to issue appropriate range banning according to original layout procedures. Failure to adhere by official SA-MP TOS regarding personal information (You blatantly let players give out their info, and most are underage. Not only is that a SA-MP TOS violation, it violates the US COPPA laws as well). I've noticed server-side RCON log in is also blocked, because you cannot say "RCON" in the chat. Failure to review evidence properly. Failure to allow reasonable defenses, failure to acquit based on reasonable doubt, failure to appeal bans properly (we all remember Shiny vs Diplo, that should NEVER have happened!). Failure to allow public staff reporting (this keeps staff accountable) failure to provide evidence (you can censor classified data, I know what you guys see in your chats, just block it out). Failure to have assigned time slots for staff (there should be at least one member of staff on at all times) and failure to come when called on discord.

Now, I can continue listing problems, but it's ultimately pointless. LS-RCR and it's original build, LV-RCR, and it's pre-2012 builds have always been an outlier in the SA-MP staff designs. That wasn't a problem before, because we didn't care before. In the golden age, 2007-2011, server owners were GOD. They made the final choice. They could unban someone because 'lol' or they could ban someone for "fuck off censored". The owner of a server was held to no one and nothing outside the TOS of SA-MP. This was design, to limit shit servers. Owners who fucked shit up and pissed off users almost always had to shut down because running a server costs money (LS-RCR has operating costs of 80 euros a month) and when you piss off your playerbase, they don't donate, and they don't play. Basically, shit owners ran the server into the ground, users left, server closed. Bad servers got shut down. The issue with this formula now, is... where can players go? LS-RCR is the LAST roleplay/CNR server. There are other servers with similar formats, but none are like here. Players ultimately can't leave, because they've nowhere to go. CXdur is a great owner, he's one I support, but... he's not exactly a front runner for standing up and taking charge. He allows a staff "team" to make choices, and ultimately the failure there, is that when the staff isn't making the right choices, the owner needs to man up and either make the call himself, or evaluate his staff and start making firings and hirings.

Now, that said, I do have an opinion on how to fix it. This is not me making demands, or insults, don't get it twisted. This is me, as someone who knows more than you think, making suggestions based on experience.

1: Issue range bans on cafe's with 50+ ban evades, and 5+ original aimbot bans. Now you might be saying "but we'd be banning innocent players" and yes, that is true. However, there is a way out, and for the players, it's the risk they KNEW they took when they played in a cafe with hackers. They KNOW people in their cafe's are hacking, and so they are ultimately in a position of having to deal with the repercussions of not finding a new place to play from. As for the out, issue a rangeban to a cafe, and when someone appeals it (you know they will) make this offer...
"To remove the rangeban the cafe owner must pay a fee of 50euros"
The owner makes that much in a day, and will likely pay it to keep their clients happy. Next aimbot ban? Rangeban instantly, and another 50 euro fee. I give them at MOST 5 fines, and they will probably bar the hackers from ever setting foot in the cafe again, allowing only good players in.
2: Expedite the report section. It's gotten better since the last time I whined on this point, but some reports still take 3-7 days, and that's really not acceptable. I work 40+ hours a week, and I check forums daily. I also care for a dying stepdad, and still check forums at LEAST 4 times daily. I have a life, and I can still do it. Now I don't expect that kind of dedication from everyone, but I'm rather tired of the "I have a life too" excuse. If you do NOT like spending the time looking into reports, hackers, and so on... why are you staff? If you hate doing the work so much... retire.
3: Get more staff in game! This one is huge, because we've seen a massive rise in hackers lately, and often the second we call for someone on discord, the guy runs. They are absolutely monitoring the HAN discord channel. You are being spied on by hackers. You need to get people in game to catch them, because once we call on HAN, it's likely they're going to leave and switch to a new IP and allow you to ban the old IP, and then they continue on the new IP.
4: Stop treating old and respected players like garbage. I don't just mean myself here. Ackman, Robin, Playa, Venom, Balsa, Funderburk, Diplo, Mateej, Tomahawk... there are too many cases of regular long time high activity tagged members getting FUCKED by staff over tiny shit because of cafe users. Ackman lost his tag for 'c-bugging' by a player who ADMITTED to report hunting! Robin has said himself he will return if you deal with the cafe hacking issue. Diplo and Mateej spent days banned for something they didn't do because of a rouge admin. Tomahawk came very, VERY close to losing his tag over a rule that ISNT IN THE RULES! We are all people who have supported you in various ways. From our thanks, to our respect, to our loyalty, to our financial assistance, we are the ones who are the 'community'. Now I'm not saying that cafe users who obey the rules and so on cannot be part of the community, but when it comes down to Ackman, myself, and Robin, against [E]pisode, Omarflx100, and Gwyneth123, who is doing more for the server, and keeping it alive? The ones putting in money, time, effort, and playing for years, or the children hacking and ruining the gameplay for everyone?
5: Redo the rules, and do it RIGHT. I've already suggested a full set, ready to go, ready to be implimented. Just copy/paste it. But you won't get anything done soon unless you get the rules in clear black and white for everyone to understand, so you don't have misunderstandings and staff who argue/disagree with what a rule means, or what is/isnt a rule break.

Don't think I'm being mean, or judgmental, or rude. I've been speaking on this in tiny bits for months, since before I even lost my tag. I've been very quite about how I truly feel about the staff team. Staff keep wondering why I'm so angry all the time. They even took my tag because of my 'anger'. You want to know why I'm truly so angry? Well... you've just read it. Everything I said above, and how I feel that I've been failed, hurt, and betrayed, by the staff members who are supposed to be protecting me... that's where the anger comes from. And it's not only for me, it's for all the players who get fucked up the ass with a cactus without lube! That's how playing this server can feel when players are just blatantly hacking and breaking rules and abusing things and staff just doesn't care or do anything. It hurts... and it causes pain... and that pain becomes anger. Because I KNOW the right staff could fix this place, and the right staff format could make this place incredible again. I feel like when a favorite server of mine died back in 2010. Our old owner was an amazing man... but he had college and so he sold the server... new owner fucked shit up. He killed that server in under a year. Firing me as head admin and banning me because I told him he was wrong... he saw a 47% drop in playerbase within a week, never got them back. I don't want to see more loved and respected players leave LS-RCR, because it'll doom the server. If you don't help us, and keep mistreating us while bowing to the demands of cafes and the like... who will donate? If all the tagged donators leave... the cafe isn't going to cover your op-cost. LS-RCR will close. I don't wanna see that again.

first of all I do approve with everyone and hope staff solve this problem as fast as possible because i feel as you feel actually..

from other hand would to mention two point to karu_Tepes only

how you would owner to Give fine around 50 EUR moreover he at the same time gain The same amount in half a month LMAO..

Second thing how would..staff to protect you by which way exactly? is this their fault? lose control of yourself nevertheless also you the same person who.. accuse them and threaten themy you also explained to them the rule incorrectly thats why you got kicked from tag and supporter? rights And in the end you accuse staff that they do not protect you? Werid really .. of course nothing personally but i liked to explain it to she only

It's all in your hands, you control yourself and protect yourself by yourself to avoid to do any shit