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Post by Gangsta19 » July 11, 2013, 6:08 pm
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nono, i didnt say they come all to the same place. everyone has like his own world,
You could be right tho,when you have a NDE you have strong hallucinations,everything u imagine seems like real to you,some people "see" heaven some "hell" depending on what they think of at the time before death,tho i believe you can change the way you think anytime and by that change the "reality" within your mind

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Post by Kaosx234 » July 11, 2013, 7:03 pm
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yea, they will probably do what they did before dead, killing everyone but without getting arrested/stopped.
so thats their heaven,
because if i understood that bible things right "i died for your sins" there is no hell, is there?
but seen from atheistic way i would be for the written above that
yea, they will probably do what they did before dead, killing everyone but without getting arrested/stopped.
so thats their heaven,
Sir no. God has given us some rules which we have to follow (he didn't give it to us pointless). If you want to go to the heaven, be a good guy.
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Ehh...my therapist said it's unhealthy for my mental state to think deeply about this kind of stuff..i've been near death not only once..
personally i don't think anyone knows for sure what will happen after we die,cause nobody came back to life after death (fuck those near death experiences,as they say NEAR,not real death)
but my 'beliefs' are that our "consciousness" takes some other form after we die,doesn't have to be in the earth,could be traveling to some other place in the universe..
See..i wasn't a school person but i have learned that energy cannot be destroyed,it just changes form.

Btw,im more of an atheist too,this is just my opinion on how i think it might be.

My other thought is...well..after we die,that's it,the end,game over.
Plants live too but i don't think my weed travels around heaven/hell when i burn it xD
People who were in death experiences were DEAD. They came back because they wanted to live and God has given them a life to make people believe in a God. They've seen their body dead, the instrument has shown that their brain = 0, also heart is not working at all.
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Post by 3shot » July 11, 2013, 7:16 pm
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Sir no. God has given us some rules which we have to follow (he didn't give it to us pointless). If you want to go to the heaven, be a good guy.
if i see it right you are christ?
if that is so - the bible says that jesus said he died for our sins on the cross, he died for what we do. every sin We commit goes into his sacriefiece of live. so no matter what, we go to heaven. or did i missunderstand that.?
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Post by Gangsta19 » July 11, 2013, 7:28 pm
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People who were in death experiences were DEAD. They came back because they wanted to live and God has given them a life to make people believe in a God. They've seen their body dead, the instrument has shown that their brain = 0, also heart is not working at all.
Dude,if they were dead they wouldn't come back to life,death means the end right?And if they come back again that's not the end.Sooner or later some scientist will be able to explain NDE,religion is now taking advantage of it,idk how much they're paying those people who have experienced such a thing to PROMOTE religious brainwashing.
If god wanted to make people believe he's real he could SHOW UP instead of showing up to you in a dream/hallucination
Take some LSD you'll see all gods that you know,you can even talk to them but when the effect wears off they'll "disappear"..i think you get what im saying..right?

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Post by 3shot » July 11, 2013, 7:47 pm
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Dude,if they were dead they wouldn't come back to life,death means the end right?And if they come back again that's not the end.Sooner or later some scientist will be able to explain NDE,religion is now taking advantage of it,idk how much they're paying those people who have experienced such a thing to PROMOTE religious brainwashing.
If god wanted to make people believe he's real he could SHOW UP instead of showing up to you in a dream/hallucination
Take some LSD you'll see all gods that you know,you can even talk to them but when the effect wears off they'll "disappear"..i think you get what im saying..right?
i agree with the end thing. and i do agree witch the churches and shit paying those people what is acctualy sad..
but the thing is that , and dont take that as offense in any way, god is not real. maybe he exists but you will never be able
to tell that, you cannot get proof of that. you can believe in him and say e.g. he is in my heart or brain or wherever.
and yea i dont have that much experience with drugs gangsta ;)
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Post by Kaosx234 » July 11, 2013, 8:42 pm
3shot wrote:
mohmmedkao wrote:
Sir no. God has given us some rules which we have to follow (he didn't give it to us pointless). If you want to go to the heaven, be a good guy.
if i see it right you are christ?
if that is so - the bible says that jesus said he died for our sins on the cross, he died for what we do. every sin We commit goes into his sacriefiece of live. so no matter what, we go to heaven. or did i missunderstand that.?
You missunderstand that. If you've read bible a little more, you will find what is the true meaning of heaven.
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mohmmedkao wrote:
People who were in death experiences were DEAD. They came back because they wanted to live and God has given them a life to make people believe in a God. They've seen their body dead, the instrument has shown that their brain = 0, also heart is not working at all.
Dude,if they were dead they wouldn't come back to life,death means the end right?And if they come back again that's not the end.Sooner or later some scientist will be able to explain NDE,religion is now taking advantage of it,idk how much they're paying those people who have experienced such a thing to PROMOTE religious brainwashing.
If god wanted to make people believe he's real he could SHOW UP instead of showing up to you in a dream/hallucination
Take some LSD you'll see all gods that you know,you can even talk to them but when the effect wears off they'll "disappear"..i think you get what im saying..right?
They cannot explain at the moment, and while they cannot explain, don't tell me anything that they will.

God has shown to a lot of people, it's your problem that you do not believe in it. If he would shown to you, I doubt that you would believe in him. You would rather go to the hospital and check if you're alright.

You don't get how is God showing to people. I know for a guy who was color blind, since he was born, he could not see could just see white-black picture. He was praying to good and his family was a real good one. In his 12 years old he could see a normal pictures and while doctors cannot explain how did he get healed. Now he's 15. This is not just one situation about "unexplained situations".

And I'm out from this topic, I don't feel like arguing someone who is atheist. It's as same as teaching a 2 years old kid maths.
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Post by 3shot » July 11, 2013, 9:05 pm
i did not read the bible, its all what i got taught. as i said im morely atheist
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Post by Gangsta19 » July 11, 2013, 9:38 pm
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God has shown to a lot of people, it's your problem that you do not believe in it. it's all in your mind man,do you really think god has ever shown?If god should show up then why do incidents like 12 years old girls getting raped by their psycho father happen?where is god when shit like that happens?you might say the rapist will get punished but that's not it,cause the damage is already done,the girl's life is over..if god was real he wouldn't allow such things in the first place.It's like shooting someone dead then saying "sorry" to him..useless.. If he would shown to you, I doubt that you would believe in him. You would rather go to the hospital and check if you're alright. Of course,if i start hearing voices that aren't there i'll go check myself,i don't wanna end up as some schizophrenic psycho..duh.. :roll:

You don't get how is God showing to people. I know for a guy who was color blind, since he was born, he could not see could just see white-black picture. He was praying to good and his family was a real good one. In his 12 years old he could see a normal pictures and while doctors cannot explain how did he get healed. Now he's 15. This is not just one situation about "unexplained situations".
We can talk about this when you study a bit more about your subconscious mind..I've read lots of books about it,it's a life changer,you'll think completely different when you realize what powers you have within your own mind.

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And I'm out from this topic, I don't feel like arguing someone who is atheist. It's as same as teaching a 2 years old kid maths.
I'm not arguing with you,i call this a discussion,if you take it otherwise you're the problem here then.
You don't want to DISCUSS with an atheist cause you feel threatened,you have been taught so your whole life and you can't think outside your little "box".Your belief is based on fear and you're afraid some old man in the sky will put you in hell for THINKING on your OWN.
Can't "argue" with atheist?You're a part-atheist yourself,why? think for a while..you don't believe in zeus,poseidon or any other mythological god/goddess,right? what does that make you?..the reason you don't believe all those other gods is the same reason i don't believe in your god.
But ok,if you can't handle a discussion..bye.

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Post by kamuran » July 11, 2013, 9:44 pm
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Post by SES92 » July 11, 2013, 10:06 pm
I don't think we're meant to know details. The Quran says in some context that there are some details about the universe that man isn't meant to know yet, that our brain can't handle it. This is probably one of the things I agree with the most in the Quran, it makes total sense in my head.

Just live your life, don't be a censored, be a generally good person, help others, love others, and you'll set the next adventure after death up nicely.
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