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OsamaAbouelhassan wrote:

For the first .. I don't really support it .. because sawnoff being one handed doesn't really change anything (2 shots then a reload and so on) .. in fact , switching is better because it offers faster duelling and challenging climate for players .. limiting a powerful weapon like sawnoff will cause many disadvantages in my opinion

For the second and the third .. +1

Same like me Osama Good !

OsamaAbouelhassan wrote:

For the first .. I don't really support it .. because sawnoff being one handed doesn't really change anything (2 shots then a reload and so on) .. in fact , switching is better because it offers faster duelling and challenging climate for players .. limiting a powerful weapon like sawnoff will cause many disadvantages in my opinion

It does change, infact it changes everything, it makes other weapons usable too, one handed sawn has only 2 rounds in it, so you can't switch, or should i say bug abuse. We can still make 2 handed sawn offs usable only at FC. Name some disadvantages that it can cause.

[Lsrcr]Demon. wrote:

OsamaAbouelhassan wrote:

For the first .. I don't really support it .. because sawnoff being one handed doesn't really change anything (2 shots then a reload and so on) .. in fact , switching is better because it offers faster duelling and challenging climate for players .. limiting a powerful weapon like sawnoff will cause many disadvantages in my opinion

It does change, infact it changes everything, it makes other weapons usable too, one handed sawn has only 2 rounds in it, so you can't switch, or should i say bug abuse. We can still make 2 handed sawn offs usable only at FC. Name some disadvantages that it can cause.

Alright , I'll state some disadvantages (there is a P.S down that will show you my points of view on changing sawnoff into one handed or removing it)

1) Close range fights will disappear ( I'm sure it will be the worst if we use de/m4/mp5 ... etc ... other shotguns aren't bad but still don't offer fun , you just stand .. aim and shoot while moving left and right

2) 2 handed sawnoff (hitman level) represents power .. decreasing it's power will lead to harder gaming experience as a cop or a robber .. try using any weapon on a suspect close to you (except sawnoff) .. even if you have the best aiming .. you'll still find it hard to kill because mainly most weapons are for long distances (desert eagle is an exception but still has one point of weakness which is it's aim that requires patience to reach it's normal aim after each shot .. till you do this .. certainly , the suspect will be in another city ) ... I don't really consider it a bug simply because all weapons auto reload once you switch to another weapon ... 4 shots are often used when the suspect is shocked/tazed/standing still and they guarantee instant death even if the suspect has armour ..

3) well , I still don't see any difference .. I tried that one handed sawnoff before several times (2 shots then a reload for only one hand ... 4 shots and a switch) .. aiming will be the only thing that players challenge each other at and sawnoff has (big aiming circle) which makes you able to damage another player easily

4) an important part in most of the groups will change (sawnoff shooting part) ... I don't really think any other weapon could replace it (2 handed sawnoff duels will be a waste of time .. reason mentioned in the third point) and I believe this part shows the qualifications of the player to join the group


P.S : 1) removing
2)one handed/removing
3)one handed
4)one handed

OsamaAbouelhassan wrote:

1) Close range fights will disappear ( I'm sure it will be the worst if we use de/m4/mp5 ... etc ... other shotguns aren't bad but still don't offer fun , you just stand .. aim and shoot while moving left and right

So with the same argument,you consider running around in circles fun? There are many other weapons you can use in close-range. Just this week I observed some of the new players (especially cops) trying to kill criminals with m4 and most of the criminals used 2 shot to defend themselves. The cop eventually died and what does he do? He /q because it's impossible to kill someone with 2 shot while you are trying to peal and shoot them with m4. Ls-rcr's gameplay is getting more and more sawn off reliable. Think about it. If you want to join army,you must pass a test that will test your sawn off skills. Same goes for S.W.A.T,Pagati and many many other official groups. Right now,if you aren't good with sawn off, you aren't considered as a good player / shooter.

OsamaAbouelhassan wrote:

2) 2 handed sawnoff (hitman level) represents power .. decreasing it's power will lead to harder gaming experience as a cop or a robber .. try using any weapon on a suspect close to you (except sawnoff) .. even if you have the best aiming .. you'll still find it hard to kill because mainly most weapons are for long distances (desert eagle is an exception but still has one point of weakness which is it's aim that requires patience to reach it's normal aim after each shot .. till you do this .. certainly , the suspect will be in another city ) ... I don't really consider it a bug simply because all weapons auto reload once you switch to another weapon ... 4 shots are often used when the suspect is shocked/tazed/standing still and they guarantee instant death even if the suspect has armour ..

That's the point of the suggestion. Not everyone will be an easy target to kill. Everyone will have an equal chance to kill.

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You must keep in mind that the sawn off 2 shot is a bug just like the deagle c-bug. There is no difference whatsoever.

Shaco wrote:

That's the point of the suggestion. Not everyone will be an easy target to kill. Everyone will have an equal chance to kill.

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You must keep in mind that the sawn off 2 shot is a bug just like the deagle c-bug. There is no difference whatsoever.

Wait what? You're saying everyone doesnt have an equal chance to kill? Ofcourse not.. Its all about your aiming skills and samp experience. If you suck at 2shot you cant just go suggest to remove it. Its already goddamn hard to kill those cops without sawnoffs, imagine without it, the only thing you would do as a criminal is running away from your commands, instead they should nerf cops/swats/army commands. Imagine how unfair it would be for criminals..

This was suggested before and didnt make any sense, still doesnt.

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Game_Over wrote:

Wait what? You're saying everyone doesnt have an equal chance to kill? Ofcourse not.. Its all about your aiming skills and samp experience. If you suck at 2shot you cant just go suggest to remove it. Its already goddamn hard to kill those cops without sawnoffs, imagine without it, the only thing you would do as a criminal is running away from your commands, instead they should nerf cops/swats/army commands. Imagine how unfair it would be for criminals..

This was suggested before and didnt make any sense, still doesnt.

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@Aiming skills? What?! All you do is just run around in circles and hope for some clear shots. What part don't you understand that you don't need any skills whatsoever,you're just using a bug for your advantage to kill others.

I already said i suck more than a potato with sawn offs,i admit it. Also,I didn't suggest to remove it,i suggested to limit the use of it. Wouldn't it be more fair if you just fight with only the players that wants to fight with 2-shot? You are just upset because you are very good at it and have a groups based on sawn off shooting. You will end up ''training'' your sawn off skills for nothing. I get that and understand your frustration.

If this suggestion passes,i however agree that there should be a limit of tazing for law enforcements. Maybe a 3 or 5 second cooldown? I don't know. It's not hard to kill cops if it was like this. The criminal first priority is always to 'run' away from the cops first hand. Make him chase you first.

I am not going to keep arguing on the sawn off part as there are 2 more suggestions and I don't want this topic to end up in a whole cluster-fuck of arguments. I said what I wanted to say from my side.

unfortunately it will never happen because everyone will cry that they can't use a bug anymore

[Lsrcr]Raskit wrote:

unfortunately it will never happen because everyone will cry that they can't use a bug anymore

Sadly..

I support all suggestions above.