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GreaTSaN wrote:

Criminal wrote:

Maggy wrote:

Of course man, there are billions of Qur'an, they're all computerized. Allah wouldn't write the Qur'ans and keep sending them, it's the people who have written the most Qur'ans, expect mistakes and ups and downs.

I'm with maggy, Even in Muslims all hav drifferent groups aka Firka (eg: Shia , sunni) Every other group aka Frika make their own methods of prayers and everything and even produce qurans by them self by editing.
Idk know if god exists or not I just don't believe on any groups aka Firka and do the main things which should be done (Prayer (namaz) , Fasting , Hajj(Pilgrim) and zakat(help the needy) thats all I will let to know in end when i will die what was right because no one knows who is right every one say this religion this and blah blah just do what you think is right.

Why would you even talk about 'Firqa' or 'sects'? Is it a part of Islam? NO. Is there anything written about this in Qur'an? Yes, Qur'an highly disagree with this. If you don't know if there's a god or not then you don't have faith which means you're not a Muslim. Let me ask you a question, have you read Qur'an with authentic translation?

I know this is what i said that i don't believe on firqa, Bro im researching on this stiff till now idk if there is god or not but as muslim i believe Allah.

Criminal wrote:

GreaTSaN wrote:

Criminal wrote:

I'm with maggy, Even in Muslims all hav drifferent groups aka Firka (eg: Shia , sunni) Every other group aka Frika make their own methods of prayers and everything and even produce qurans by them self by editing.
Idk know if god exists or not I just don't believe on any groups aka Firka and do the main things which should be done (Prayer (namaz) , Fasting , Hajj(Pilgrim) and zakat(help the needy) thats all I will let to know in end when i will die what was right because no one knows who is right every one say this religion this and blah blah just do what you think is right.

Why would you even talk about 'Firqa' or 'sects'? Is it a part of Islam? NO. Is there anything written about this in Qur'an? Yes, Qur'an highly disagree with this. If you don't know if there's a god or not then you don't have faith which means you're not a Muslim. Let me ask you a question, have you read Qur'an with authentic translation?

I know this is what i said that i don't believe on firqa, Bro im researching on this stiff till now idk if there is god or not but as muslim i believe Allah.

What???

GreaTSaN wrote:

Criminal wrote:

GreaTSaN wrote:

Why would you even talk about 'Firqa' or 'sects'? Is it a part of Islam? NO. Is there anything written about this in Qur'an? Yes, Qur'an highly disagree with this. If you don't know if there's a god or not then you don't have faith which means you're not a Muslim. Let me ask you a question, have you read Qur'an with authentic translation?

I know this is what i said that i don't believe on firqa, Bro im researching on this stiff till now idk if there is god or not but as muslim i believe Allah.

What???

Bro i born in a muslim family being in the islamic family i have to follow Allah im not that much older atm that i can change my religion i want to do some more research I believe Allah, And I'm doing the 5 main principals nothing else, I dont believe firka or nothing I'm muslim with following the 5 main principals.

Criminal wrote:

GreaTSaN wrote:

Criminal wrote:

I know this is what i said that i don't believe on firqa, Bro im researching on this stiff till now idk if there is god or not but as muslim i believe Allah.

What???

Bro i born in a muslim family being in the islamic family i have to follow Allah im not that much older atm that i can change my religion i want to do some more research I believe Allah, And I'm doing the 5 main principals nothing else, I dont believe firka or nothing I'm muslim with following the 5 main principals.

Yes you don't have to believe in Firka as it's not a part of Islam. Are you reading Qur'an with authentic translations?

GreaTSaN wrote:

Maggy wrote:

Of course man, there are billions of Qur'an, they're all computerized. Allah wouldn't write the Qur'ans and keep sending them, it's the people who have written the most Qur'ans, expect mistakes and ups and downs.

Yes we'd have considered that but since it's written in Qur'an that God is going to protect it and preserve it then who we are to question that? Those who say there are mistakes are those who haven't done some research instead they simply pick a verse they find on YouTube or on some public forum and post it, that's all. Quranic translation can be wrong if picked from wrong sources but the actual Qur'an cannot be wrong. Let's compare your Qur'an with mine and let's see if we could find any mistake but we wouldn't or either you'd not do that because for you doing research on Qur'an is not something important I guess. As I said earlier, go on post the mistakes or wrong things you found in Qur'an publicly.

A religion which restricts us from asking questions about it; the first sign of it that it's fake. A true religion would never disallow you to ask questions regarding it. It's all about inside of your heart, I do not believe this all. People involve in rape situations, and suddenly a month named Ramadan Kareem comes and all of a sudden, a rapist becomes a Muslim, singing a song "ramzan aya roza rakho ji" - Are these the people who are so called the true Muslims? No. The religion Islam allows us to question, if it doesn't, it's fake. I wouldn't speak about it IRL as you know what will happen. People would get behind your ass, beat you up and even more than that for just asking a question. All I'd say is it is fake.

Only religion I believe on is Humanity, about God, there's no existence, maybe there is, why is he not shown... Everything is proven by Science, what's wrong with you all people, just forget religions and be a human first lol,

Girls mostly act being the true muslims, yet they wear jeans and off-shoulder TShirts and all the shits. Does Islam allow that? Show me a single girl in today's generation who actually is Muslim, can you? No. No one is a true Muslim, it's all your brain. Only magic I believe on is Black Magic, I believe on Qur'an, but not all of it. I do believe some of it's Ayats, which actually have something in it. I have a lot more than this in my mind. I once went to an expert, he couldn't answer me, he ended up calling me an Atheist, lol. Stupidity.

Islam sometimes seems weird to me, there's a month Moharram, which teaches us that those who are thirsty, hand them a glass of water. And then Ramadan comes which restricts us from water for hours.

EDIT: Take the example from live transmissions of a cheap character, Dr. Amir Liaquat. Yes, him. The one who calls himself a true Muslim. You know what I'm talking about, and people are actually following him. Like come on... Sorry if anything offends anyone, I'm extremely sorry, this is why I don't share my thoughts. People be like "traitor to his religion", I was never a Muslim, just known as one by people. I never told them I'm a Muslim, it's just that I belong to a Muslim family.

Maggy wrote:

GreaTSaN wrote:

Maggy wrote:

Of course man, there are billions of Qur'an, they're all computerized. Allah wouldn't write the Qur'ans and keep sending them, it's the people who have written the most Qur'ans, expect mistakes and ups and downs.

Yes we'd have considered that but since it's written in Qur'an that God is going to protect it and preserve it then who we are to question that? Those who say there are mistakes are those who haven't done some research instead they simply pick a verse they find on YouTube or on some public forum and post it, that's all. Quranic translation can be wrong if picked from wrong sources but the actual Qur'an cannot be wrong. Let's compare your Qur'an with mine and let's see if we could find any mistake but we wouldn't or either you'd not do that because for you doing research on Qur'an is not something important I guess. As I said earlier, go on post the mistakes or wrong things you found in Qur'an publicly.

A religion which restricts us from asking questions about it; the first sign of it that it's fake. A true religion would never disallow you to ask questions regarding it. It's all about inside of your heart, I do not believe this all. People involve in rape situations, and suddenly a month named Ramadan Kareem comes and all of a sudden, a rapist becomes a Muslim, singing a song "ramzan aya roza rakho ji" - Are these the people who are so called the true Muslims? No. The religion Islam allows us to question, if it doesn't, it's fake. I wouldn't speak about it IRL as you know what will happen. People would get behind your ass, beat you up and even more than that for just asking a question. All I'd say is it is fake.

Only religion I believe on is Humanity, about God, there's no existence, maybe there is, why is he not shown... Everything is proven by Science, what's wrong with you all people, just forget religions and be a human first lol,

Girls mostly act being the true muslims, yet they wear jeans and off-shoulder TShirts and all the shits. Does Islam allow that? Show me a single girl in today's generation who actually is Muslim, can you? No. No one is a true Muslim, it's all your brain. Only magic I believe on is Black Magic, I believe on Qur'an, but not all of it. I do believe some of it's Ayats, which actually have something in it. I have a lot more than this in my mind. I once went to an expert, he couldn't answer me, he ended up calling me an Atheist, lol. Stupidity.

You're totally me. I remember 6 months earlier I started questioning my religion. I started questioning the myths of our Mullas. I started questioning the hadith. I even started questioning the Qur'an. And when I questioned someone about Qur'an and Islam I was ended up with "Don't ask questions just do as you're said" and that's not something I can agree with so I decided to read Qur'an with authentic translations. When I did that, I started to know things which were said wrongly by our fake scholars (mostly in Pakistan as I see). Now when it came to certain scientific facts I started questioning that too because I didn't had any knowledge that time. So I started comparing Qur'an with science and you either believe or not but every single thing I found was perfect and authentic with Science. But some verses were not available in science and that's okay, why? Because modern science is not advanced enough to answer all questions. One more thing which inspired me more to read Qur'an and understand it is that none of the single verse is against modern science and some verses which were thrown as contradictions in 19's are proven to be right (if you don't believe me, google things out yourself). Some verses which are still considered as contradictions (you can look at my topic) are actually not contradictions but picking up of specific translations which are actually different from what is actually said in the Qur'an. You'd find more than thousands of websites with Quranic translations but do you've confirmation that all these websites are giving you perfect translations? Obviously NO. That's when non-believers question. So now I don't recite Qur'an which is given by this scholar or that but the actual Qur'an which is in Arabic and a copy of translation from Sahih International and I just don't rely on that but I've got some Arabic translators too to help me out when I find something strange.

Now you talk about Ramadan and a rapist become a good Muslim and when it's over he becomes the same again, you're right at this. But it's not Islam and it has nothing to do with it. If someone who doesn't have faith in God would obviously do things like this. If someone is doing that, why does it affect you? If others would commit suicide, would you do the same? No. We don't have to follow others to be religious. We have to look at our faith and Iman not others. On that day (doomsday), you'd be questioned what you brought forth and what you left behind and others will be asked for theirs not yours. So if people are making fun of religion, you don't have to worry about that. Let them do that and you do yours. Girls mostly act as true Muslims (not true) and yes they wear jeans and whatever they feel like does Islam allow that? Obviously NO. Would you follow Islam if you see others follow it or you would follow it with your own believe and faith? Whatever people are doing is nothing but Kufar. If you believe in Black Magic which means you believe in Devil then why don't you believe in God? Both are unseen. Do science believe in unseen? Not everything is proven by Science and not everything can be proven by Science. Science haven't proved soul yet?

"We've to be humans first", yes obviously but that doesn't mean you can't believe in God or Qur'an. Islam nowhere says that you should not be humans. Islam comes from the word "salam" which means "Peace.". Believe with your heart and with your own research not by following others. If you've got more questions, ask freely. No one is gonna question you here. The one who's gonna stop you from questioning is the one who doesn't have any answer for your questions.

Maggy wrote:

Islam sometimes seems weird to me, there's a month Moharram, which teaches us that those who are thirsty, hand them a glass of water. And then Ramadan comes which restricts us from water for hours.

EDIT: Take the example from live transmissions of a cheap character, Dr. Amir Liaquat. Yes, him. The one who calls himself a true Muslim. You know what I'm talking about, and people are actually following him. Like come on... Sorry if anything offends anyone, I'm extremely sorry, this is why I don't share my thoughts. People be like "traitor to his religion", I was never a Muslim, just known as one by people. I never told them I'm a Muslim, it's just that I belong to a Muslim family.

Islam is not weird at all but it's just our lack of knowledge. Fasting is something which is prescribed by God but Moharram is something which we have created not God. Indeed, it's a month in Islamic calendar but do you see anything about it in Qur'an? You wouldn't because there's no such thing like this. In Qur'an, it's written more than ten times "Feed the one who is hungry and thirsty. Do not repel orphans and poor" but it nowhere mentions "Feed only in the month of Moharram" because that is something which we have created not prescribed by God. Sorry if it offends someone but "Moharram" is specifically picked by Shia community and it has nothing to do with Islam. Qur'an highly disagree with religion sects but still people do it because of "lack of knowledge".

Shaco wrote:

Maggy wrote:

Science bro, science. We all were born after our parents had sex not thrown down from sky by God, lol. As being a Muslim, I don't agree to many things Qur'an have said, in short sometimes I feel there's no God, but I'd like to keep my thoughts to myself. kthxbai

This ^

Personally, I see you as an open-minded and a true Muslim not the 'everything-in-the-Quran-is right' Muslim.

GreaTSaN wrote:

That is amazing. Those who say Qur'an contains contradictions and mistakes are true Muslim and "open-minded" and those who don't are blind folded. You deserve a medal.

You just proved my point. Alas,you would rather believe everything that's written in a book instead of understanding simple,proven and logical facts. If someday you'll get married,go ahead and pray for your wife to get pregnant rather than having sex with her

Shaco wrote:

Shaco wrote:

Maggy wrote:

Science bro, science. We all were born after our parents had sex not thrown down from sky by God, lol. As being a Muslim, I don't agree to many things Qur'an have said, in short sometimes I feel there's no God, but I'd like to keep my thoughts to myself. kthxbai

This ^

Personally, I see you as an open-minded and a true Muslim not the 'everything-in-the-Quran-is right' Muslim.

GreaTSaN wrote:

That is amazing. Those who say Qur'an contains contradictions and mistakes are true Muslim and "open-minded" and those who don't are blind folded. You deserve a medal.

You just proved my point. Alas,you would rather believe everything that's written in a book instead of understanding simple,proven and logical facts. If someday you'll get married,go ahead and pray for your wife to get pregnant rather than having sex with her

And then there's a rumor in Islam that a woman actually got a baby boy without her husband in xxx BC. and that kid was speaking at the age of 2-4 days. Weird, no?

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Now you talk about Ramadan and a rapist become a good Muslim and when it's over he becomes the same again, you're right at this. But it's not Islam and it has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with Islam, mate. Those rapists were so called Muslims, and the society trusts them being a Muslim. Now if a Muslim questions about his religion, he's beaten up. But if he decides to be a rapist and pray at the same time, he's a Muslim.

Edit: Oh, you'll come up again now with same excuse that it also has nothing to do with Islam. I'll just say a few words.
If a group of Muslims is combined, it's Islam. Without people (muslims), there's no religion. People are the ones that represents the religion, Allah (if there is) would never come down and prove his religion. It's us, the Muslims who are supposed to represent and prove it correct. I used to be a proud muslim, but after all these incidents, no.

People say you'll be punished by Allah for questioning his religion, where's the punishment for those who are praying and also dancing with prostitutes, involved in many rapes, especially molvi's (Mullas). I've recently seen a video of a Molvi dancing with a prostitude, I've also recently seen a Molvi asking his student for a blowjob. The student came to him to know about the religion, about the Qur'an, but they both ended it up with a blowjob. I can share the videos to you though, I got both of them.