Remove Vortex from groups (ADDED POLL)

[Robin]

You clearly don't understand what I said you kill cops who get in the way of your main mission, annoying swat. Yeah temp rights lol. And after all that bitching and annoying us when we finally get the chance to arrest you quit, join again and repeat the process, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER AND I MEAN EVERYONE quits when we jack their vortex or when we have the chance to arrest. That's why most of your members have a low reputation, including you m8.

Sadly, this sums up most of the problem...

[Kaosx234]

An argument going on? Where the hell was I? Haha! I love it. Ok, so let’s begin.
If there is a way to beat vortex then I don't think that there is point of not keeping it in any group. It's a part of cop hunting and it's not violating any rules.
When the LEOS will die of course they will feel bad and will go against the vortex. Tank is also OP vehicle, there is no vehicle in the server which can beat a tank, but what's the tactic to beat a tank is to jump on it and you guys already know that there are several ways to beat a vortex.
Just because you guys get killed easily, you don't want it to be in any group. Some members of other group are against it because they don't have it and since I'm not making any agreement with any other group they are a bit angry about it. Because either they have to stay in their previous group or they have to be in Terrorists, this thing is pain in the ass for those people.

There are many groups without vortexes, Monsters, etc. Why aren't they so active (they are also based on cophunting?).
The tank was an OP vehicle. Sadly it has its rules. Vortex is an OP vehicle. Sadly it does not have rules.
Now you just confirmed my first sentence, people do join Terrorists due your vortexes (most of them).

As Game said, Vortex user can easily get disarmed because of the innocents and this is one of its biggest disadvantages. It happens mostly when we are shooting a cop from nowhere an innocent player appears and disarms us and we have no choice but either to get arrested or to die.
Other than this, Vortex's hp gets decreased very quickly; it takes too much damage as compare to a normal car. Even if you ram a vortex it starts to leave black smoke, which is a sign for low HP and when a vortex is leaving black smoke from its engine then it's a lot harder to control it and move it faster.

Back in time, in case you were shooting a civilian with vortex (who was in car) you would get disarmed. Not sure if it is clever to use this argument
Any vehicle takes the same damage if they are being shot. Light vehicles, such as infernus or your vortex takes more damage if rammed.

[quote="Dollarman"[Rules for vortex wow! Now a vehicle which has an aimbot should be given some rules. It cannot harm innocents so there is no point of making a rule for driving it.
Players are getting these vehicles because the leaders have already paid for the vehicles.
If it's like paying every month then every group in the server should pay for their vehicles every month since they are also special vehicles which are only buyable via donation points or custom donations. All those vehicles which are not in the buying list of car-shops and they are in any group are special vehicles and which can only be get by donating for it. If that's what you want then every group should pay equally every month for the custom/special vehicles they are using.
If you are creating a group and a base it has its own perks and advantages with it. They don't have to pay every month for their vehicles. We donated for the vortex and we allowed our members only to drive it, as all other groups have the system. You guys are mad about it because you hardly stand a chance against us. When a player donates a vortex and gives keys to other, then i don't see anyone yelling and complaining, it's also the same as giving keys.
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I already stated why there should be rules or either removed. If you are too lazy to search my post, it is not my problem.
Do leaders pay more than 60 DPs per a vehicle / monthly (amount of members * 3 = 1 vehicle)? If they do, congratulations. If they do not then you did not help the server but you made fewer donations to the server.

Can I ask you, which "unique" vehicle does SWAT have? Don't forget that faction > official group. It is like comparing Official than unofficial groups. Giving keys is not as same as entering a group's vehicle, because if the owner is not online - user cannot drive your vortex. You cannot give a vortex to 2 different users and many more.

1: If a rule has to be added for vortex it would have been added since the day it was added in the server.
2: One of the major reasons why Army vehicles have rules for it because, they are highly OP and they can highly damages the civilians. That's also the reason why players get auto-banned when they try to use the Army vehicles, because everyone knows that the damage which army vehicles can cause no other vehicle can cause.
3: A rule for a vortex? Are you fucking kidding? You are comparing vortex with Army vehicles? Vortex doesn't stand a chance against any special army vehicle. Does the player using an army vehicle gets disarmed if a innocent comes in front of his target? No, it blows away the civilian as well, that's why a rule is added. If a civilian comes in front of the vortex then bang, you are disarmed. Also I have described a lot of Disadvantages of vortex above.

1 and 2 I think rules of Army vehicles should be also removed, because I rarely see someone in sea sparrow, hunter actually shooting someone. Most of the Army guys are in infernuses/bullets. Why? Because rules made a fair balance between OP and non-OP vehicle.
3 How can a Hunter/Hdra/Sea sparrow destroy your vortex if they are not allowed to shoot you down?

Since when is cop hunting in a vortex considered as bitching and provoking? If they kill you with a vortex and enjoy it, you will consider it as bitching and provoking? Very clever.
A vortex can go in a place full of Leos and kill them all right? Well in such places either there are innocents or other wanted to disarm the vortex users or the cops place is called the safe zone, where we shoot the cops and get disarmed. Besides the tactics, cops/swat/army has other weapons to destroy or get rid of vortex. Cops have safe zone, the car tactic, Swat has their Swat bomb and Roadblock, spin around the road block and destroy the vortex or just bomb the vortex with your swat bomb, Army has tank, Hydra, grenades. Don't pretend that it's hard to beat a vortex or try to find new and newer excuses for the vortexes just because you don't like it.

It is counted as bitching and provoking if you constantly go to the same user and try to kill him. You leave him no option to have fun and to play but to wait you. In case he tries to go for another suspect, you will simply backfire him. Other paragraph is just useless.

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TL;DR all what I said here is me repeating myself all over again. If you guys want to argue, leave read every single post.

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You clearly did not read all my posts or you simply jumped from a point to a point. I clearly stated that when Seniors realise that group-vortex are just made to ruin others gameplay that vortex should and must be removed after the expiration of the so-called donation (which clearly is not 3DPs per each user in the group * each vehicle). Argument they donated for it clearly does not hold the water. (explanation for idiots: if this gets accepted, vortex will expire at the end of their donation)

There are numerous of tactics, but I did not spawn as a cop to shoot one suspect constantly, all day long. If I, by any chance, try to go for another suspect, the vortex-guy will just come behind me and aimbot me. Yes, it does bother me.
Even that it is fine, but when he brings up a team mate with another vortex, you do not have any tactic to destroy both of vortexes, there is 1 tactic how to defend yourself - not going to spread out.

You need to pass loads of stuff to be in those "factions". Also factions do have rules and groups do not have rules, therefore, again this argument does not hold the water.

I did not join in this server to support vehicle which have aimbot. Maybe in sooner future, donating to have cheats will be here? Will you use the same argument if you don't want to die - don't be a cop? Don't make fun out of yourself.

PS. I dare Wayne and Lacky arguing with me if they agree with Dollarman's statement.

[Mr.DollarMan]

You clearly don't understand what I said you kill cops who get in the way of your main mission, annoying swat. Yeah temp rights lol. And after all that bitching and annoying us when we finally get the chance to arrest you quit, join again and repeat the process, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER AND I MEAN EVERYONE quits when we jack their vortex or when we have the chance to arrest. That's why most of your members have a low reputation, including you m8.

I have given the answer to your every silly question and players here can also judge that who's trying to go off the topic again and again.
All your answers are given in my last comment, read it carefully.
You're going off the topic again, if you want to discuss about some other thing or any other issue create a new one, i never step back from an argument.
Repo? Hahaha. Once more don't go off topic, make the argument within the topic and enjoyable.

[Kaosx234]

Oh trust me there were still a lot of reports and arguments with vortex before these groups. This topic mostly triggered everything that happened in the past with vortex.

I find it a bit silly creating rules for a vortex because when you think about,what kind of rules would the group make? Even if they make these rules,they would probably break them and that would create more problems around the server.

Back in time, there were no vortex in group vehicles and there were no these kind of suggestions. Not sure if it there will be silly reports (there will be always, but fewer!)

Suggestion is to remove vortex from group vehicles. Maybe in case a new faction appears (civilian), to add there vortexes.

You clearly don't understand what I said you kill cops who get in the way of your main mission, annoying swat. Yeah temp rights lol. And after all that bitching and annoying us when we finally get the chance to arrest you quit, join again and repeat the process, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER AND I MEAN EVERYONE quits when we jack their vortex or when we have the chance to arrest. That's why most of your members have a low reputation, including you m8.

I have given the answer to your every silly question and players here can also judge that who's trying to go off the topic again and again.
All your answers are given in my last comment, read it carefully.
You're going off the topic again, if you want to discuss about some other thing or any other issue create a new one, i never step back from an argument.
Repo? Hahaha. Once more don't go off topic, make the argument within the topic and enjoyable.

If he went outside of the topic, why'd community members agree with him (even non-SWAT members)?

[The_Fury]

Please, i won't read all of this but dollarman has a point, Also i have one since if you don't want to die don't spawn as a law enforcer, DOLLARMAN donated for it, you can't do anything about it he got it fair n square for his group and it's nothing of your own Business to say if members are joining his group for vortex or not However As i said above factions are not machines but vortex is a machine to kill, Many ways are invented to win a vortex, according to kaosx he made 1 and he is from the best guys can do it but he still Argue to remove it lol, However if there are 3 vortex vs you you will Surely Die, if you are crying about your death spawn as a civilian, Vortex has auto aim, If vortex got removed in any way from groups then i will suggest to add a rule about the 2 shots bug, lets see how you ''duelers'' will complain or whoever agree to remove vortex Also i would like to add that adding a rule to vortex is lame, Whenever you shoot with it on innocent you get disarmed but not with Swat veh or army veh and i'm Pretty sure this suggestion after all these useless arguements will get rejected, Also let me state something here Army/swat got their own Veh so terrorists does too, So i can't see any problem here if you remove this vortex from Groups then lets remove swat bomb, Shall we? : ))))).

@demon, Be fast if you tazed or cuffed them and they did /bc then /q they will be auto jailed According to drastic's topic so i can't find any reason to remove vortex for now, or even it's Auto aim.

[Kaosx234]

Please, i won't read all of this but dollarman has a point, Also i have one since if you don't want to die don't spawn as a law enforcer, DOLLARMAN donated for it, you can't do anything about it he got it fair n square for his group and it's nothing of your own Business to say if members are joining his group for vortex or not However As i said above factions are not machines but vortex is a machine to kill, Many ways are invented to win a vortex, according to kaosx he made 1 and he is from the best guys can do it but he still Argue to remove it lol, However if there are 3 vortex vs you you will Surely Die, if you are crying about your death spawn as a civilian, Vortex has auto aim, If vortex got removed in any way from groups then i will suggest to add a rule about the 2 shots bug, lets see how you ''duelers'' will complain or whoever agree to remove vortex Also i would like to add that adding a rule to vortex is lame, Whenever you shoot with it on innocent you get disarmed but not with Swat veh or army veh and i'm Pretty sure this suggestion after all these useless arguements will get rejected, Also let me state something here Army/swat got their own Veh so terrorists does too, So i can't see any problem here if you remove this vortex from Groups then lets remove swat bomb, Shall we? : ))))).

@demon, Be fast if you tazed or cuffed them and they did /bc then /q they will be auto jailed According to drastic's topic so i can't find any reason to remove vortex for now, or even it's Auto aim.

SWAT bomb has a rule, vortex does not have a rule. In case vortex has a rule, we can debate in a way to remove SWAT bomb and vortex overall.

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You clearly did not read all my posts or you simply jumped from a point to a point. I clearly stated that when Seniors realise that group-vortex are just made to ruin others gameplay that vortex should and must be removed after the expiration of the so-called donation (which clearly is not 3DPs per each user in the group * each vehicle). Argument they donated for it clearly does not hold the water. (explanation for idiots: if this gets accepted, vortex will expire at the end of their donation)

There are numerous of tactics, but I did not spawn as a cop to shoot one suspect constantly, all day long. If I, by any chance, try to go for another suspect, the vortex-guy will just come behind me and aimbot me. Yes, it does bother me.
Even that it is fine, but when he brings up a team mate with another vortex, you do not have any tactic to destroy both of vortexes, there is 1 tactic how to defend yourself - not going to spread out.

You need to pass loads of stuff to be in those "factions". Also factions do have rules and groups do not have rules, therefore, again this argument does not hold the water.

I did not join in this server to support vehicle which have aimbot. Maybe in sooner future, donating to have cheats will be here? Will you use the same argument if you don't want to die - don't be a cop? Don't make fun out of yourself.

There was 50-50 to remove 2shot (Shaco suggested it).

[Mr.DollarMan]

There are many groups without vortexes, Monsters, etc. Why aren't they so active (they are also based on cophunting?).
The tank was an OP vehicle. Sadly it has its rules. Vortex is an OP vehicle. Sadly it does not have rules.
Now you just confirmed my first sentence, people do join Terrorists due your vortexes (most of them).

Those groups are not active because their leaders are not active and they don't make their group more enjoyable for their members and my group is based on cop hunting their group isn't. I didn't confirm it anywhere, quote it where I've conformed it, or don't blabber.

Back in time, in case you were shooting a civilian with vortex (who was in car) you would get disarmed. Not sure if it is clever to use this argument
Any vehicle takes the same damage if they are being shot. Light vehicles, such as infernus or your vortex takes more damage if rammed.

It is very clear to use this argument, only because it's giving me a strong and valid point makes you defensive.
Can Vortex be moved reverse? No it can't, can vortex make sharp turns, no it can't, can vortex move faster? No it can't. There are a lot more disadvantages of vortex as compare to other vehicles.
That more damage is more than enough to make the vortex not work properly and when it will not work properly you can easily wrecked it.

I already stated why there should be rules or either removed. If you are too lazy to search my post, it is not my problem.
Do leaders pay more than 60 DPs per a vehicle / monthly (amount of members * 3 = 1 vehicle)? If they do, congratulations. If they do not then you did not help the server but you made fewer donations to the server.

Can I ask you, which "unique" vehicle does SWAT have? Don't forget that faction > official group. It is like comparing Official than unofficial groups. Giving keys is not as same as entering a group's vehicle, because if the owner is not online - user cannot drive your vortex. You cannot give a vortex to 2 different users and many more. [/quote]

I'm too lazy to search it, I've read your comments and after reading your comments I've replied here. You are not getting my point and you are just trying to prove your old point which I already answered and I won't repeat it again because you can re read my comments and find your answers.

I said's it's almost the same. But when you are in the server ad give keys to the player you want and they quit the game the player still can drive it.
As I said earlier, when you donate for a base or a group, it has it's own perks and advantages. You don't have to pay monthly again and again for the vehicles. I guess you missed a lot of my points.

1 and 2 I think rules of Army vehicles should be also removed, because I rarely see someone in sea sparrow, hunter actually shooting someone. Most of the Army guys are in infernuses/bullets. Why? Because rules made a fair balance between OP and non-OP vehicle.
3 How can a Hunter/Hdra/Sea sparrow destroy your vortex if they are not allowed to shoot you down?

Haha, I can't find anything related in your reply compare to what I have said. Just check what I have written and said and what have you replied.

It is counted as bitching and provoking if you constantly go to the same user and try to kill him. You leave him no option to have fun and to play but to wait you. In case he tries to go for another suspect, you will simply backfire him. Other paragraph is just useless.

No it doesn't when you are a criminal and the other player is LEO. It's called cop hunting and it's allowed, your knowledge for the rules is wrong here. If we take it in the opposite way then we can say that If LEO goes again and again after the same criminal just because he gets wanted again and again is considered as bitching, it's not allowed to do that. Hahaha how funny. At least talk something sensible. I've confirmed this from some admins and all of them agreed to this and said that " No it's not considered as bitching but in fact it is called cop hunting" There was only one admin I remember in past who was against this and told me that I shouldn't do this, but after this situation occurred I asked some admins and they said it's allowed. So yeah, you're here. IT IS CALLED COP HUNTING.

I can see that you couldn't reply back to my all points and all that I have written which proves that you're loosing it and where you think I'm right you don't support me because it will go against yourself.
My last paragraph is useless, just because I stated a fact? Huh? Hahaha. That's what happens when you argue with the big boys. *No heart Feelings*
Your entire argument since the beginning is useless. If a wise man would read my comment he would clearly see that I've gone through all of your points and given a long and perfect reply which made you speechless and forced to write something which isn't related to my reply and show other players that how good can I argue. If the argument is not to the point then it's useless, that's what you did and you will do again with your reply.

[Mr.DollarMan]

If he went outside of the topic, why'd community members agree with him (even non-SWAT members)?

Because most of the players here don't like me. Which everyone knows.

[The_Fury]

Please, i won't read all of this but dollarman has a point, Also i have one since if you don't want to die don't spawn as a law enforcer, DOLLARMAN donated for it, you can't do anything about it he got it fair n square for his group and it's nothing of your own Business to say if members are joining his group for vortex or not However As i said above factions are not machines but vortex is a machine to kill, Many ways are invented to win a vortex, according to kaosx he made 1 and he is from the best guys can do it but he still Argue to remove it lol, However if there are 3 vortex vs you you will Surely Die, if you are crying about your death spawn as a civilian, Vortex has auto aim, If vortex got removed in any way from groups then i will suggest to add a rule about the 2 shots bug, lets see how you ''duelers'' will complain or whoever agree to remove vortex Also i would like to add that adding a rule to vortex is lame, Whenever you shoot with it on innocent you get disarmed but not with Swat veh or army veh and i'm Pretty sure this suggestion after all these useless arguements will get rejected, Also let me state something here Army/swat got their own Veh so terrorists does too, So i can't see any problem here if you remove this vortex from Groups then lets remove swat bomb, Shall we? : ))))).

@demon, Be fast if you tazed or cuffed them and they did /bc then /q they will be auto jailed According to drastic's topic so i can't find any reason to remove vortex for now, or even it's Auto aim.

SWAT bomb has a rule, vortex does not have a rule. In case vortex has a rule, we can debate in a way to remove SWAT bomb and vortex overall.

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You clearly did not read all my posts or you simply jumped from a point to a point. I clearly stated that when Seniors realise that group-vortex are just made to ruin others gameplay that vortex should and must be removed after the expiration of the so-called donation (which clearly is not 3DPs per each user in the group * each vehicle). Argument they donated for it clearly does not hold the water. (explanation for idiots: if this gets accepted, vortex will expire at the end of their donation)

There are numerous of tactics, but I did not spawn as a cop to shoot one suspect constantly, all day long. If I, by any chance, try to go for another suspect, the vortex-guy will just come behind me and aimbot me. Yes, it does bother me.
Even that it is fine, but when he brings up a team mate with another vortex, you do not have any tactic to destroy both of vortexes, there is 1 tactic how to defend yourself - not going to spread out.

You need to pass loads of stuff to be in those "factions". Also factions do have rules and groups do not have rules, therefore, again this argument does not hold the water.

I did not join in this server to support vehicle which have aimbot. Maybe in sooner future, donating to have cheats will be here? Will you use the same argument if you don't want to die - don't be a cop? Don't make fun out of yourself.

There was 50-50 to remove 2shot (Shaco suggested it).

Swat bomb has a rule because it can harm innocents but Vortex doesn't because it can't, got it? or you will keep quoting your Words every single post? retarded as faraon said, if seniors See that Vortex for groups is to ruin your gameplay they wouldn't add it in the first place, Absynth wouldn't donate for it, you can't know better than Assistant senior admins, lol, '' you pass loads of stuff to be in faction'' also you pass loads of stuff to be in a group LOL the thing is, Factions and groups are the same except factions got the resources and the name of a faction but nothing else, If you want two factions to play with these OP stuff without criminals Having a faction or group to get OP Stuff in it then you are a censored and want the best for your own not for others, FACTIONS GOT OP SHIT SO DOES TERRORIST, NO MISTAKES IN THAT AND IF YOU REMOVE VORTEX I WILL SUGGEST TO REMOVE SWAT STUFF AND ARMY'S K? if the seniors think this is not fair, then they would remove the 2 shots two And the mountain bike, k baby?
get r3kt.

[Kaosx234]

Those groups are not active because their leaders are not active and they don't make their group more enjoyable for their members and my group is based on cop hunting their group isn't. I didn't confirm it anywhere, quote it where I've conformed it, or don't blabber.

Terrorists are active? Since when? I saw only one time that you are all on one car. Other than that, your members are going solo with vortex (that doesn't make a group active since we both know => would you rather go with skin without vortex or with a vortex.
You said this Some members of other group are against it because they don't have it and since I'm not making any agreement. You obviously said that you have something what other groups do not, and it is vortex, isn't it?

It is very clear to use this argument, only because it's giving me a strong and valid point makes you defensive.
Can Vortex be moved reverse? No it can't, can vortex make sharp turns, no it can't, can vortex move faster? No it can't. There are a lot more disadvantages of vortex as compare to other vehicles.
That more damage is more than enough to make the vortex not work properly and when it will not work properly you can easily wrecked it.

Can Vortex tanks be moved reverse? No it can't, can Vortex tanks make sharp turns, no it can't, can Vortex tanks move faster? No it can't. . My comparation: Does tank have rules? Yes, it has. Does vortex have rules, no it does not.

'm too lazy to search it, I've read your comments and after reading your comments I've replied here. You are not getting my point and you are just trying to prove your old point which I already answered and I won't repeat it again because you can re read my comments and find your answers.

You're too lazy to search for it? Just name me a unique SWAT vehicle, I dare you. In case you answered my points back in time (you posted only few times), care to quote them?

I said's it's almost the same. But when you are in the server ad give keys to the player you want and they quit the game the player still can drive it.
As I said earlier, when you donate for a base or a group, it has it's own perks and advantages. You don't have to pay monthly again and again for the vehicles. I guess you missed a lot of my points.

It's not almost the same. When there were no vortex for groups, there were no arguments about it. It was 3DPs/monthly to keep up the server. Since even you said by your own self that you do not pay in monthly (you do not help server anymore with upkeeping those vortexes and other vehicles), how does this help server? If you have those permanent, you clearly make donations fewer than it was. So basically, it is even worse. Thanks!

No it doesn't when you are a criminal and the other player is LEO. It's called cop hunting and it's allowed, your knowledge for the rules is wrong here. If we take it in the opposite way then we can say that If LEO goes again and again after the same criminal just because he gets wanted again and again is considered as bitching, it's not allowed to do that. Hahaha how funny. At least talk something sensible. I've confirmed this from some admins and all of them agreed to this and said that " No it's not considered as bitching but in fact it is called cop hunting" There was only one admin I remember in past who was against this and told me that I shouldn't do this, but after this situation occurred I asked some admins and they said it's allowed. So yeah, you're here. IT IS CALLED COP HUNTING.

Lets ask Admins to post here (preferably Seniors) if you can go for the same guy to rob/break/rape him continuously. Let's not forget the /dkidnap thing too. In case I am allowed to do that, I won't hesitate to do that in sooner future. If you are civilian, it is your freedom to choose whether to be chased or not (to be wanted to chill). Once you get wanted - you clearly want to be chased by fellow police officers. Cophunting is shooting police without a reason. If you do not let people to enjoy their game by coming continuously to them, it is not cop hunting but bitching.

I can see that you couldn't reply back to my all points and all that I have written which proves that you're loosing it and where you think I'm right you don't support me because it will go against yourself.
My last paragraph is useless, just because I stated a fact? Huh? Hahaha. That's what happens when you argue with the big boys. *No heart Feelings*
Your entire argument since the beginning is useless. If a wise man would read my comment he would clearly see that I've gone through all of your points and given a long and perfect reply which made you speechless and forced to write something which isn't related to my reply and show other players that how good can I argue. If the argument is not to the point then it's useless, that's what you did and you will do again with your reply.

Which points did I miss? If your paragraph is useless then it is useless. You are saying known things such as safezone.
If there was an OP tool in vehicle, that doesn't make vortex less OP. That is why was your paragrapgh useless.
And lol, you're "big boys"? Did a wise man told you that if you kill (in real life) Sunday or myself that you'll go to heaven? I still remember when you said that in mainchat @ LS-RCR. You clearly are not a wise man.

If he went outside of the topic, why'd community members agree with him (even non-SWAT members)?

Because most of the players here don't like me. Which everyone knows.

And the answer is (why do they hate you...?)