Make the server balanced

[Karu_Tepes]

No cops should not be nerfed now, you are saying so because of being outnumbered. Being outnumbered doesn't mean you will limit their abilities. In that sense, criminals should be nerfed as well, because when criminals outnumber cops, the same thing happens. Cops have been nerfed to shit already, they have very low cuff range, limited tazers, suspects can move whilst cuffed, limited cuffs. Cops were nerfed like twice or thrice in the past years, and at the same time, criminals were buffed. The only reason people still believe cops are 'op' and need to be nerfed is because there are so many of them. Nerfing them won't do any good, you need to think of something else, I don't know what myself either, but clearly cops have been nerfed in the past and yet everybody says they need yet more nerf, it will never stop

The issue isnt numbers. The issue isnt cuff range. The issue is abuse.

Cops who G in and out of cars to avoid damage while pretyping IDs
Cops who can arrest 4-5 members of a cophunt while avoiding dying by lag
Cops who just heliblade you for fun
Cops who shoot the hell out of you/your car from half a map away
Cops who can snipe you 3 times while not even in your render distance (This is a hack, but staff probably don't know it)
Cops who can arrest you so fast auto /bc from VIP packet doesn't work
Cops who randomly cuff and search you 5 times for no fucking reason outside of pissing you off.

The real reason we want cops nerfed, is because the cops play like pricks.

Criminals who G in and out of cars to avoid damage and type /sh and takedrugs and also to avoid dying
Criminals who can kill 4-5 leos due to lag
Criminals who just heliblade you for fun
Criminals who shoot the hell out of you/your car from half a map away
Criminals who can snipe you 3 times while not even in your render distance (is not a hack)
Criminals who can kill you even after you /taze them but they are not affected by the tazer gun and kill you while moonwalking despite being tazed
Criminals who start shooting at you, ram you even when you didn't even attack them once

(It's impossible to /ar before auto /bc, even if you use a keybinder, it's not possible, I think what you are referring to is, that you automatically try to /bc, but it fails to break the cuffs, but still, you can't arrest someone before automatically trying to /bc if you have a VIP packet)

I don't know why you mentioned any of those things because everything you mentioned applies to all the criminals too.

I'll see if I kept the video, but at one point I DID have a cop get me so fast the auto /bc didnt have time to trigger (it literally said "cannot use command in jail) but also he was banned for keybinding a while back too.

And yes, I know criminals can play like pricks too. You forget yourself on your high up SWAT leader pedestal, and fail to remember I have a police officer alt who has to suffer all of what you said and then even more because low score and such. You also forgot

The pricks on mountain bikes who hop around everywhere
Criminals who run up, use /rape 4 times then blast you in the back so they can rob your corpse
The ones who run into the checkpoint to prevent you getting score
The CONSTANT stream of being DMed by fellow cops
Mother fuckers who run into their gang bases where you can't follow
The ones who get wanted and sit by the lspd gate shooting into the safe zone with a bike
Other cops who arrest people you cuff
The fact that it's very rare for cops to help each other. Trust me, I've tried to work as a team, but often I get ignored (because low score and such, no one will partner with a nobody)

Back to my original point, since you missed it, is that while people keep saying "nerf cops" because ya know, cafe kids who parrot each other and don't know english, what we REALLY want is "new rules with staff enforcement to prevent these new forms of abuse".

oh, btw...

Criminals who can snipe you 3 times while not even in your render distance (is not a hack)

Is extrazoom.cs, which lets you shoot people with a sniper when they can't even load you on their screen (I've tested it somewhere else, I was hitting people in Angel Pine from the top of Mt Chilliad) allowed? It's not like being able to see someone who can't see you because you put it in a mod and they are vanilla is an unfair advantage right? Yeah don't bother, I pointed it out to staff before and they confirmed it IS an illegal mod. Seriously, I have no idea why you always come at me thinking you're going to prove some big point just to get torn down.

[BeaTen.]

Ma'am why are you getting so worked up over the legitimate points I mentioned? Please stop saying that you have a video because you don't have any, because it is not possible. I have no intention of fighting with you because it is pointless.
You can not nerf cops just because of "cafe kids". As far as your "alt account" goes, it has 17 arrests and total 11h playtime. Sure you got a lot of experience playing as a LEO. Please stop trying to cause a fight here yes? This is not a criminal v/s leo topic, we shouldn't compare these two, rather we should come to some conclusion on how to do something that will bring some balance without nerfing leos anymore.

[dev3r3r]

You can just shock while entering..... This isn't about leo vs criminals, leo will always have the ultimate ability to arrest you, they were nerfed numerous times in the past and now just because there are too many of them you want to nerf them more. It's dumb, because if they get nerfed and let's assume their numbers decrease, then leos will be extremely weak, then will you suggest to buff them again? Lol

Why would we do such thing.
As the limit depends on the players' count
Now if we have 40 player online
Limit the cops spawn to 20 (15 if factions included)
And this still won't be fair for the criminals
But it's better than the shit happening now.

Limiting the police class would definitely not help the unbalanced situation we have had for a long time already imho. Like coolguy said, if some new player loses his place in cop skin and the limit gets hit again, he/she would be frustrated about that and just leave our server to go and find a different (better) CnR server.

The main problem is cophunting seeming to be the main aspect for most of the people on the server, even though this is a Cops and ROBBERS server. We can not change this however since it's a personal preference.

And this still won't be fair for the criminals
But it's better than the shit happening now.

What is the point of limiting the police class then if it won't be fair for the criminals anyway?

I said, It will be better than the main situation
Bro i got some screens, Literally 10 cops on me alone
The only criminal on, Isn't this frustrating more than a cop losing his place because of the limitation ?

[Squanix]

the threatening still going on? I posted this topic as a server suggestion to find a solution for everyone, so make sure to leave the personal problems out of it.

I'd like to answer this:

What is the point of limiting the police class then if it won't be fair for the criminals anyway?

The point is avoid seeing a blue server, I mean it's not unfair for the criminals, the opposite sir, it will be fair, for example .. there's a server cophunt, the maximum number we can see is six or seven players are red/orange on one vehicle or two, but we have fifteen cop or more without suspects every day. that means the cophunt can be ended in few minutes, and the re-start of it makes them bored, I can prove that by a screenshot taken few minutes ago.



Even if the civillians started robbing shops, they'll be arrested easily in bit time, maybe its can be fair enough by making a limit for both, robbers and cops at the same time. I'm not sure.

The suggestion is somewhat logical but implementation is difficult.

I'd agree with what you mentioned in your comment, right.. It's hard.

The solution can be found only by our opinions.

[dev3r3r]

First of all just check this .

Spoiler: show

Do you think it's fair ??
The only solution is to limit the cops' spawn and i repeat it won't be fair for the criminals still.
Do you know why ?
As the limitation will be only depending on the players' count.
Not the criminals' count.
They will still OP and out numbered.
But it's the best solution for this situation, Is to limit the cops' spawn.
If player's count = 100 , Limit the cops spawn to 50 (40 if both factions included).
If player's count = 80 , Limit the cops spawn to 40 (30 if both factions included).
If player's count = 60 , Limit the cops spawn to 30 (20 if both factions included).
If player's count = 40 , Limit the cops spawn to 20 (15 if both factions included).
That's how to make it fair, And it's not nerfing CALL IT WHAT YOU CALL IT, It's not nerfing.

[Richano]

I said, It will be better than the main situation
Bro i got some screens, Literally 10 cops on me alone
The only criminal on, Isn't this frustrating more than a cop losing his place because of the limitation ?

I'm not saying it's more frustrating, I'm saying that a new player would be more likely to leave and find a new server, which will hit our player count long-term. There are absolutely far more better solutions that can be discussed instead of a limitation for the police class. If I remember correctly there was a similar suggestion and it was left stale or either denied.

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What is the point of limiting the police class then if it won't be fair for the criminals anyway?

The point is avoid seeing a blue server, I mean it's not unfair for the criminals, the opposite sir, it will be fair, for example .. there's a server cophunt, the maximum number we can see is six or seven players are red/orange on one vehicle or two, but we have fifteen cop or more without suspects every day. that means the cophunt can be ended in few minutes, and the re-start of it makes them bored, I can prove that by a screenshot taken few minutes ago.

I'm already aware of what the point is with limiting the police class. I was just a bit confused about why deverer said that criminals would still not get a fair play even if the limit was added (which makes the suggestion pointless if you think about it this way).

[dev3r3r]

I said, It will be better than the main situation
Bro i got some screens, Literally 10 cops on me alone
The only criminal on, Isn't this frustrating more than a cop losing his place because of the limitation ?

I'm not saying it's more frustrating, I'm saying that a new player would be more likely to leave and find a new server, which will hit our player count long-term. There are absolutely far more better solutions that can be discussed instead of a limitation for the police class. If I remember correctly there was a similar suggestion and it was left stale or either denied.

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What is the point of limiting the police class then if it won't be fair for the criminals anyway?

The point is avoid seeing a blue server, I mean it's not unfair for the criminals, the opposite sir, it will be fair, for example .. there's a server cophunt, the maximum number we can see is six or seven players are red/orange on one vehicle or two, but we have fifteen cop or more without suspects every day. that means the cophunt can be ended in few minutes, and the re-start of it makes them bored, I can prove that by a screenshot taken few minutes ago.

I'm already aware of what the point is with limiting the police class. I was just a bit confused about why deverer said that criminals would still not get a fair play even if the limit was added (which makes the suggestion pointless if you think about it this way).

I'v said why it wouldn't be fair, But it is the best solution still.
Isn't it ?

[Karu_Tepes]

Ma'am why are you getting so worked up over the legitimate points I mentioned? Please stop saying that you have a video because you don't have any, because it is not possible. I have no intention of fighting with you because it is pointless.
You can not nerf cops just because of "cafe kids". As far as your "alt account" goes, it has 17 arrests and total 11h playtime. Sure you got a lot of experience playing as a LEO. Please stop trying to cause a fight here yes? This is not a criminal v/s leo topic, we shouldn't compare these two, rather we should come to some conclusion on how to do something that will bring some balance without nerfing leos anymore.

No, I get 'worked up' because you don't friggen listen to what I say.

This is not a criminal v/s leo topic, we shouldn't compare these two, rather we should come to some conclusion on how to do something that will bring some balance without nerfing leos anymore.

You mean like ADDING NEW RULES? The original point I made? The one you've ignored twice now? The problem is you don't read what I say, you just shoot your load of police propaganda all over and expect us to bow under.What's pointless is fighting with YOU, because you never bother to read what it is there. I still don't know why you hate me so fucking much, but please at least read what I said before you think I'm talking about something as stupid as nerfing LEOs again.

[BeaTen.]

Ma'am why are you getting so worked up over the legitimate points I mentioned? Please stop saying that you have a video because you don't have any, because it is not possible. I have no intention of fighting with you because it is pointless.
You can not nerf cops just because of "cafe kids". As far as your "alt account" goes, it has 17 arrests and total 11h playtime. Sure you got a lot of experience playing as a LEO. Please stop trying to cause a fight here yes? This is not a criminal v/s leo topic, we shouldn't compare these two, rather we should come to some conclusion on how to do something that will bring some balance without nerfing leos anymore.

No, I get 'worked up' because you don't friggen listen to what I say.

This is not a criminal v/s leo topic, we shouldn't compare these two, rather we should come to some conclusion on how to do something that will bring some balance without nerfing leos anymore.

You mean like ADDING NEW RULES? The original point I made? The one you've ignored twice now? The problem is you don't read what I say, you just shoot your load of police propaganda all over and expect us to bow under.What's pointless is fighting with YOU, because you never bother to read what it is there. I still don't know why you hate me so fucking much, but please at least read what I said before you think I'm talking about something as stupid as nerfing LEOs again.

By restricting leos, you mean to stop them from doing all those things you mentioned? That will be no help at all and there will still be overwhelming number of leos, even if they use all this or not, when they are so many against less criminals, they will easily arrest you without doing any of those things. But it's a good idea to restrict everyone from doing some of those things.

[Karu_Tepes]

Ma'am why are you getting so worked up over the legitimate points I mentioned? Please stop saying that you have a video because you don't have any, because it is not possible. I have no intention of fighting with you because it is pointless.
You can not nerf cops just because of "cafe kids". As far as your "alt account" goes, it has 17 arrests and total 11h playtime. Sure you got a lot of experience playing as a LEO. Please stop trying to cause a fight here yes? This is not a criminal v/s leo topic, we shouldn't compare these two, rather we should come to some conclusion on how to do something that will bring some balance without nerfing leos anymore.

No, I get 'worked up' because you don't friggen listen to what I say.

This is not a criminal v/s leo topic, we shouldn't compare these two, rather we should come to some conclusion on how to do something that will bring some balance without nerfing leos anymore.

You mean like ADDING NEW RULES? The original point I made? The one you've ignored twice now? The problem is you don't read what I say, you just shoot your load of police propaganda all over and expect us to bow under.What's pointless is fighting with YOU, because you never bother to read what it is there. I still don't know why you hate me so fucking much, but please at least read what I said before you think I'm talking about something as stupid as nerfing LEOs again.

By restricting leos, you mean to stop them from doing all those things you mentioned? That will be no help at all and there will still be overwhelming number of leos, even if they use all this or not, when they are so many against less criminals, they will easily arrest you without doing any of those things. But it's a good idea to restrict everyone from doing some of those things.

See, now we're getting somewhere.

And yes, do not mean cops specifically. Criminals are just as guilty of abusing these things. Running in and out of doors, using g to avoid damage while typing things, mountain biking everywhere, random searches, rapes, and so on, randomly shooting pagati because you have a hit when pagati is doing airdrops or RP, I mean I could go on and on. But no, it's not just cops I have a problem with, it's criminals too. And the number of cops isn't the real issue, it;s how they play. In a fair fight, with no one doing that crap, the fighting would be far better. And yes, criminals would have a slight advantage in a 1v1, but it's almost never a 1v1 so the advantage isn't there outside of cophunts. And I personally don't like cophunts unless it;s being done because of cops abusing things. Cophunting isnt a CNR thing. I think the only time 4+ people should be shooting at cops is if it's a robbery team doing actual robberies. Having numbers while robbing is good, but having numbers just to hunt cops is bad.