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Cheese wrote:

Moose, have you ever lied, stole something or looked at somebody with a lustful intent? If you did even one of these, then you already have sinned. We all sin. Even we believers sin. There is no exception. I highly doubt that someone with a right mind has not yet sinned. Jesus was sacrificed for that. When He died, He carried all of our sins and made a way, the only way, for us to go to heaven.

I have. But how is it the only way? Couldn't we have managed on our own? Repenting after sinning seems to work for Muslims, I don't see why a human being had to be tortured. The Bible says Jesus was crucified, the Quran says he was replaced with a double. Honestly, not just saying this because I'm a Muslim, but the latter story makes more sense. If Jesus really was crucified, people would idolize him, they'd even go to the extent of forgetting God and praying to Jesus. All the Christians I know, they all swear by Jesus, they pray to him, they call him the son of God.. How could God, the one who was not born and had no children, have a son?

Anyways, I ain't no wiseman, others are more enlightened than me about this matter I guess.

Moose wrote:

I have. But how is it the only way?

You have to have faith in God. You have to believe Him. And with that comes believing that Jesus sacrificed himself to pay for our sins so that we can go to heaven.

Moose wrote:

Couldn't we have managed on our own?

We can't, unless we're perfect, which we aren't.

Moose wrote:

Repenting after sinning seems to work for Muslims,

Yes, we 'Christians' also repent after sinning. But of course we do not sin intentionally knowing that we can get away with it after repenting. We are also human. We sin. And we apologize for it.

Moose wrote:

I don't see why a human being had to be tortured.

Jesus was tortured because He was the "King of Jews" which the Romans have misinterpreted and thought He was going to lead a rebellion which would be a problem for them therefore they had Him crucified.

Moose wrote:

The Bible says Jesus was crucified, the Quran says he was replaced with a double. Honestly, not just saying this because I'm a Muslim, but the latter story makes more sense.

I'm not too familiar with Muslim beliefs. Though I want to hear it.

Moose wrote:

If Jesus really was crucified, people would idolize him, they'd even go to the extent of forgetting God and praying to Jesus.

God would not send Jesus on earth if He knew that people would abandon Him and worship His Son instead. When He was still alive here on earth, Jesus preached and taught people many things. And these people that heard Him preach believed in Him and followed His beliefs. And He said that He would be resurrected and He even showed Himself to His disciples after His earthly death and His disciples spread the word.

Moose wrote:

All the Christians I know, they all swear by Jesus, they pray to him, they call him the son of God.. How could God, the one who was not born and had no children, have a son?

Jesus is conceived by Mary, a virgin who was appointed by God to give birth to His Son.

Moose wrote:

Anyways, I ain't no wiseman, others are more enlightened than me about this matter I guess.

You are just like me Muse men. Not to brag but everyone said that I was exceptional. I am quite "smart" for a normal person and because of that I think. The more I think, the more I doubt God's existence. Even now, I still have those doubts. I keep thinking because that's just me. I can also see me in you, Moose. Also Sk1pper & Hobo & Ribery & other peeps. I cannot explain it myself, but I will just use quotes from peeps:

"The problem with the wise is they are so filled with doubts while the dull are so certain." - Bertrand Russell

"I believe though I do not comprehend, and I hold by faith what I cannot grasp with the mind." -Saint Bernard

"Fight to escape from your own cleverness. If you do, then you will find salvation and uprightness through Jesus Christ our Lord." -John Climacus

You have to have faith in God. You have to believe Him. And with that comes believing that Jesus sacrificed himself to pay for our sins so that we can go to heaven.

So any sin I do now, I'm forgiven for it because Jesus died for me? (assuming I'm a Christian, dunno if he died for Muslims lol)

We can't, unless we're perfect, which we aren't.

But Muslims don't have anyone that died for them, they don't have anyone to use as a connection between them and God, it's just them, their work, and God. If you sin, and you truly regret it, and you vow not to do it again, you're forgiven.

Jesus was tortured because He was the "King of Jews" which the Romans have misinterpreted and thought He was going to lead a rebellion which would be a problem for them therefore they had Him crucified.

Not familiar with the full story, probably the same in the Quran.

I'm not too familiar with Muslim beliefs. Though I want to hear it.

Islam acknowledges 3 heavenly religions: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, along with their prophets (Muhammad, Jesus, and Moses), and their books (The Quran, The Bible, and The Torah). Two of the factors of faith are to believe in God's prophets, and in his books. According to the Quran, Jesus wasn't crucified, he was replaced with a double, and he was sent to heaven. He's now there, waiting for Judgement Day, so he can come back and destroy the (dunno what the guy is called, it's A'awar al Dajjal in Arabic, I think he's the Antichrist?) EDIT: Yep, Antichrist: al-Masih ad-Dajjal (Arabic: المسيح الدجّال‎ al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl, Arabic for "the false messiah") (Wiki)

God would not send Jesus on earth if He knew that people would abandon Him and worship His Son instead. When He was still alive here on earth, Jesus preached and taught people many things. And these people that heard Him preach believed in Him and followed His beliefs. And He said that He would be resurrected and He even showed Himself to His disciples after His earthly death and His disciples spread the word.

Wouldn't he? God works in ways we cannot comprehend. He probably wouldn't, but kinda has, hasn't he? Jesus was sent, and I do see people resorting to Jesus instead of God.. I dunno mate.

You are just like me Muse men. Not to brag but everyone said that I was exceptional. I am quite "smart" for a normal person and because of that I think. The more I think, the more I doubt God's existence. Even now, I still have those doubts. I keep thinking because that's just me. I can also see me in you, Moose. Also Sk1pper & Hobo & Ribery & other peeps. I cannot explain it myself, but I will just use quotes from peeps:

"The problem with the wise is they are so filled with doubts while the dull are so certain." - Bertrand Russell

"I believe though I do not comprehend, and I hold by faith what I cannot grasp with the mind." -Saint Bernard

"Fight to escape from your own cleverness. If you do, then you will find salvation and uprightness through Jesus Christ our Lord." -John Climacus

You are smart. I've doubted myself a few times, you gotta have faith and overcome.

Hmm, the false messiah will be blind in one eye and healthy in the other.. one eye..

Found some signs of his arrival, if anyone's interested.

People will stop offering the prayers (has happened, many people don't pray, including me sadly)
Dishonesty will be the way of life (has happened)
Falsehood will become a virtue (has happened)
People will mortgage their faith for worldly gains (has happened)
Usury and bribery will become legitimate (has happened)
Imbeciles would rule over the wise (has happened, imo)
Blood of innocents would be shed (has happened, Palestine, Iraq, these Arab revolutions)
Pride will be taken on acts of oppression (has happened)
The rulers will be corrupt (has happened, look at the Middle East)
The scholars will be hypocrites (dunno)
Adultery will be rampant (has happened)
The liars and treacherous will be respected (has happened)
There will be acute famine at the time (has happened, Africa)
There will be no shame amongst people (has happened, gay rights, nudists..)
Children would challenge their mothers (dunno what's meant by this one)
Youngsters would perform marital relationship with their parents (erm, I assume has happened?)
Many people would worship Satan (has happened)
There would be no respect for elder people (has happened, all the people who dump their parents off at retirement homes)

Soo we're pretty much fucked, it's a matter of time.

Moose wrote:

You have to have faith in God. You have to believe Him. And with that comes believing that Jesus sacrificed himself to pay for our sins so that we can go to heaven.

So any sin I do now, I'm forgiven for it because Jesus died for me? (assuming I'm a Christian, dunno if he died for Muslims lol)

He died for everyone. And you will be saved if you believed that He did.

Moose wrote:

We can't, unless we're perfect, which we aren't.

But Muslims don't have anyone that died for them, they don't have anyone to use as a connection between them and God, it's just them, their work, and God. If you sin, and you truly regret it, and you vow not to do it again, you're forgiven.

I am not certain of the Muslim's beliefs. I'll get back to this once I have enough knowledge.

Moose wrote:

Wouldn't he? God works in ways we cannot comprehend. He probably wouldn't, but kinda has, hasn't he? Jesus was sent, and I do see people resorting to Jesus instead of God.. I dunno mate.

True that. What I said was just plain assumption on my part.

You should considering adding "TL;DR" note after you finish your reply, cause it takes a while to read every post with a thousand quotes in it.

well ppl, the point is,i mean,it could happen once or twice, or even 4-5 times(showing them satan signs), but stop and take a break, why every single music video got something which makes no sense, so probably there is something weird happening behind the door.idk if its cooperating with devil or just their way of "dancing/showing up" on the scene,but there is something....

the most weird thing is "6" on dr.dre headphones...WHY number 6? why they all have them satan signs,but all of them!? maybe juice is right? :S

dont get me wrong, bus as i can see it, he is just showing u details pointing on something,something wrong probably... :S

yes,it is weird if you think a little. :S

poskok wrote:

well ppl, the point is,i mean,it could happen once or twice, or even 4-5 times(showing them satan signs), but stop and take a break, why every single music video got something which makes no sense, so probably there is something weird happening behind the door.idk if its cooperating with devil or just their way of "dancing/showing up" on the scene,but there is something....

the most weird thing is "6" on dr.dre headphones...WHY number 6? why they all have them satan signs,but all of them!? maybe juice is right? :S

dont get me wrong, bus as i can see it, he is just showing u details pointing on something,something wrong probably... :S

yes,it is weird if you think a little. :S

I'm glad your eyes are being opened brother. The clearer you understand these things
the harder of a target for the devil you will become. His tricks will become obvious to
you like learning colors. He wants our souls to burn in hell with him.

Imagine that loud mouth kid in school. Hes talking during class and not working.
When he finally gets in trouble, he wants to take as many students down with him
to make his own punishment not seem so bad.