Lsrcr Forum

Shaco wrote:

Come to think of it

Why entering fightclub as criminal considered abuse and law enforcement entering safe zone isn't? Both cases are to avoid getting killed or arrested. I don't agree with removing safezone. Let them enter the safezone,shows how much they are scared of you But if we want this to be fair,why don't we let criminals enter fightclub? That way,both sides can have their equal share of protection

Criminals will abuse the fight club then.

They will enter it while being wanted and screw you leos.

davidscorp13 wrote:

Criminals will abuse the fight club then.

They will enter it while being wanted and screw you leos.

So what exactly are law enforcements doing when they enter Police Department? They are screwing over criminals to avoid getting killed.

Shaco wrote:

davidscorp13 wrote:

Criminals will abuse the fight club then.

They will enter it while being wanted and screw you leos.

So what exactly are law enforcements doing when they enter Police Department? They are screwing over criminals to avoid getting killed.

To be honest i have never seen any leo doing that.

Shaco wrote:

davidscorp13 wrote:

Criminals will abuse the fight club then.

They will enter it while being wanted and screw you leos.

So what exactly are law enforcements doing when they enter Police Department? They are screwing over criminals to avoid getting killed.

Exactly. What Shaco suggested seems like a really good option to me.

davidscorp wrote:

To be honest i have never seen any leo doing that.

That doesn't mean there aren't people who do / won't do that.

The reason cops have this is because they're vulnerable to getting killed as soon as they spawn. Think about it.
As a civilian, you're invulnerable from others until you commit a crime. Cops aren't. That is why the safe zone exists, to make sure they don't get spawn killed.
However, you are right as well. What I'd suggest is let LEO's be invulnerable when they spawn. Upon leaving the PD, the invulnerability goes off, and you won't be immune the next time you enter the PD.

Jaker wrote:

Kaosx234 wrote:

Jaker wrote:

This makes no sense. You are saying that that LEOs MUST be stronger than criminals under any circumstances? Where is the balance here?!?! This isn't real life. We all might as well play LEOs only, because they are stronger and have more advantages. That means that criminals are deemed to be weaker at all times. This is so unfair. It doesn't happen always irl that cops are stronger than criminals. The existence of /pull id command really amazes me, too. Where is the logic here?!?! How can you pull someone out of a locked vehicle?!?! Yea, i know they have to be handcuffed and you do not always succeed in pulling them, but even so, it doesn't make sense. Even being able to /lock while handcuffed and handcuffing the suspect while he is entering a vehicle doesn't make sense. Stealing cop vehicles also doesn't make sense, or? It surely does in Lsrcr. I can't remember when I last saw that someone stole a police vehicle irl. I see this only in movies. Being unable to be robbed while dead could also make sense then. It's also a bit ironic how the HQ of our police was robbed recently, which was probably a "safe zone".

I find it amusing how you simply skipped the quote of me replying to yours, but whatever...

Lets get on the point.
I will start with the question, do you even read what you type? Please, try to read this few times

Where is the logic here?!?! How can you pull someone out of a locked vehicle?!?!

I will quote it one more time

Where is the logic here?!?! How can you pull someone out of a locked vehicle?!?!

Alright, from your logic, cops should not be able to enter in locked cars. I guess we currently are in the year of Jesus Christ. Let's imagine this: 5 cops are going against a criminal, they manage to cuff him and yet he successfully enters a cop's car and successfully locks up the car with cuffs in his hands while cops are just next to him. And then, what is the most fun, cops should not be able to break into their's vehicle? Could you tell me, "Where is the logic here?!?!"?

You mentioned real life, I replied back. I am glad that you no more use the argument of being realistic in here. If we are going to unbalance cops vs suspects with suspects having more power, we should also rename this server as a Death Match server. If you want cops to hunt criminals, you must have them at least a bit more power than criminals, otherwise this is going to be another DM server.

You mentioned the Croatian's police zone. You do realise a difference between robbing a police HQ and killing every single cop in police HQ? Do you also understand that it happens once in several years? I hope you do.

I didn't skip your quote, I simply included some of my thoughts, which were related to post you think I skipped, in this post. Oh, so cops can break in locked LEO cars. That means that they have lockpicks, right? That's yet another advantage for cops. Why can't criminals have lockpicks too? They could buy it at 24/7. I havent tested this, but I guess cops can /pull out of non-LEO cars, too. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not saying that criminals should be stronger than cops. They should be BALANCED, about equal. Criminals should have some good chances of fighting back the cops, not be deemed to be arrested/killed. As of now, the only way they have good chance against cops is if there are like 6 of them in a group. It's not like cops don't have any chances if their and criminals' power are equal. It all comes to skill and strategy then, I suppose. I admit I used a really, really bad argument with the Croatian police HQ thing, but I think the rest of this post is on point.

I will simply ask you this, do you think that after you, in real life, robbed a bank - locked yourself in a car that you are safe? That it makes you invincible? You should not be in the car handcuffed in the first place, and since they cannot patch it, they made the /pull command.

kaos what is wrong with you!?!??! I.WANT.BALANCE.IN.LSRCR!! What you want, is "lets not make it fair 'n' balanced lets make cops lot stronger than robbers". like wtfff!!?!!?!?????? Do you not want lsrcr to be a server for fun!!?!?? Ls-rcr is here just to provide one thing: FUN. Your logic states that cops need to be stronger than criminals, so that it is unfair and less fun? And so everyone should play leos because criminals are too weak??? If criminals and cops were EQUALY strong, then everyone would have equal chances. LIKE, WHY THE FUCK WOULD COPS BE STRONGER????? SO THAT IT'S BECOMES STUPID AND BORING AND EVERYONE SHOULD TRANSFER TO LEO AND STOP PLAYING LSRCR AND WTF??? DUDEEEeeeeee, what do you care about?? I care about so that playing lsrcr fillls you with fun.. Not bore and bad feelings because its imbalanced because some kaos weirdo decided to suggest: "Hey, lets make cops stronger, for some reaszon lelz..."
logic tho

The current state is balanced. You can see way more criminals than cops. If cops were that overpowered, then why'd people pick criminal skin? Why do you want to disbalance what is balanced now. LS-RCR is supposed to be fun and it currently is. Maybe you and your brother Jaker want to remove all cops, maybe you'll have fun in LS-RCR then but guess what, you have loads of different server that will suit you.

Why, in the real life, would criminals run away from cops? Is it because they are balanced in reality? Nope. Criminals run in reality, criminals should run in the server and yet, I see numerous of criminals hunting cops now - which shows the balanced between cops and robbers. Both sides are able to hunt each other. If you cannot kill a 1v1 cop, then you, user, is unskilled.

Jaker wrote:

Shaco wrote:

davidscorp13 wrote:

Criminals will abuse the fight club then.

They will enter it while being wanted and screw you leos.

So what exactly are law enforcements doing when they enter Police Department? They are screwing over criminals to avoid getting killed.

Exactly. What Shaco suggested seems like a really good option to me.

davidscorp wrote:

To be honest i have never seen any leo doing that.

That doesn't mean there aren't people who do / won't do that.

You have to know the difference between "being a criminal" and "being a cop". If you wanted not to be attacked from cops, do not be criminal - simple as that - whole world is a safe zone for you.

Shaco wrote:

davidscorp13 wrote:

Criminals will abuse the fight club then.

They will enter it while being wanted and screw you leos.

So what exactly are law enforcements doing when they enter Police Department? They are screwing over criminals to avoid getting killed.

There are 2 words in English vocabulary, hunter and to be hunted. Hunter are police, to be hunter is a criminal. This should not be reverse - at least you should know that since you are a Staff member.

davidscorp13 wrote:

To be honest i have never seen any leo doing that.

Yeah maybe you haven't seen any law enforcement do that but from my personal experience as an admin i see all types of shit. Some of them keeps going in and out to refill armor. Some of them enter and stay there to avoid getting robbed or raped while being chased by a civilian / wanted. Some of them stay there to avoid getting killed for a hit. Boy,if i had a nickel for every report i get because of 'safezone abuse' i'll travel half of the world's countries

I'll say it again,I don't want the safezone to be removed but if we want to keep the gameplay fair,criminals should enter fightclub for protection aswell.

Kaosx234 wrote:

There are 2 words in English vocabulary, hunter and to be hunted. Hunter are police, to be hunter is a criminal. This should not be reverse - at least you should know that since you are a Staff member.

You make a very good point and i won't disagree with your statement right there but since we are allowing cophunt,that statement doesn't really apply anymore to this case. There are groups of criminals that are the hunters and they hunt cops thus the term cophunt.

Shaco wrote:

davidscorp13 wrote:

To be honest i have never seen any leo doing that.

Yeah maybe you haven't seen any law enforcement do that but from my personal experience as an admin i see all types of shit. Some of them keeps going in and out to refill armor. Some of them enter and stay there to avoid getting robbed or raped while being chased by a civilian / wanted. Some of them stay there to avoid getting killed for a hit. Boy,if i had a nickel for every report i get because of 'safezone abuse' i'll travel half of the world's countries

I'll say it again,I don't want the safezone to be removed but if we want to keep the gameplay fair,criminals should enter fightclub for protection aswell.

Can I ask you, who appointed you as an Admin? If I was too rude, then you should re-read LSRCR rules and find that checkpoint abuse (picking armor in the middle of a fight) is punishable. If you are going to be enough clever, after you read the report for safezone abuse, you don't need even to check the report - because the safe zone is meant to be safe because you are safe from anything

It should be removed for hitmans when LEO is hitted