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against it, criminals are OP as well with their vortexes and their 10-people gangs against single swatties
as army as tank to blow such gangs, swat should have a tool to handle it too.
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KARTHIK_RKZ wrote:

Armaros wrote:

Nah from my experience car surfing players dont get instantly killed only those inside car maybe.

They'll. Last day we faced the same thing. Me, Raskit,Spicy and Shaco was on the car and nikola bombed us and we died instantly.

And that, my dear, isn't truth. I managed to kill driver, and someone in the car, Idon't remember kilking someone on it. As Armaros said, driver, and passengers in the car get instantly killed, however, people on the car have a chance of escape, because the bomb can only kill you if it is deployed right next to you, and we practice to deploy it in front of the car, to imobilize and kill the driver, so that the car itself can explode and to the double surrounding damage. People on the car are usually scattered around when they see swat approaching, so the guys on the car can really avoid the bomb in general, and they usually get little to no damage from the bomb.

I'll cater to everyone's arguments as to why it should be removed.

Shaco wrote:

Shit is too OP as it is right now. No chance for criminals to run away or defend themselves + SWAT doesn't even get damaged from it.

Criminals can easily run away. The bomb damages only those INSIDE the car, and hence majority of the time the cophunters can escape. Also, there are Bomb Jammers available.

shiny wrote:

Yeah its too op and the criminals cannot escape from it, Its unfair.

Refer to Answer 1.

KARTHIK_RKZ wrote:

Yes, It is too op.

Refer to Answer 1.

Rally3 wrote:

timer seems reasonable since swats can just jump out of the car and insta detonate it.

Considering that adding a timer to such an object basically renders it unusable. You're literally adding a loud ass tick tock to a huge ass bomb, everyone would then know there's a SWAT bomb nearby and the entire point of stealth is taken away.

Shaco wrote:

Keep in mind that not everyone can buy the bomb jammer / not everyone can enter the blackmarket, You need a certain score.

Your logic works the other way too, not everyone has the SWAT bomb barring 16 members of the community, compared to the
IMMENSE list of people having access to the Black Market.

Shaco wrote:

+ it's difficult to type /jamswatbomb in 0.5 seconds.

I see no issue to change the /jamswatbomb command if the length is an issue.

Shaco wrote:

To add up with all of this,it even make players timeout. May sound funny but it happened to Raskit,Spicy and I in the past few days (and today)

If the reason to remove it is that it makes players timeout, either replace it with a similar weapon entirely or fix the error.

shiny wrote:

Also swats have /smh also thats not fair, /smh + swat bomb = rip suspects!

Check out the Black Market, the Army Section, hell even the Terrorists base. If you scream that out of EVERYTHING present on the server, /smh is the most dangerous, God save you.

To begin with, let's not compare SWAT to the Cops. If we compare SWAT v Army, Army CLEARLY has better resources in terms of firepower. This comes from me as an ex-Army and currently SWAT member and anybody who's played as both factions can confirm this for me. Army has multiple ways to wipe out 2< criminals. SWAT doesn't. This is where the problem comes in.

Imagine 3 people duelling a SWAT member. The SWAT member can only kill at maximum one (If they're skilled enough to kill over one, Army's probably where they are currently at.) and cuff the other two. What next? We can only drag one person and also the increased probability of one of the two managing to /bc and get back to duelling is high. This is why the SWAT bomb exists, to solve the problem when there are few members in skin. So that these few people do not get bored, repeatedly killed and get their gameplay ruined.

To everyone else who says SWAT should be skilled, please note that even the greatest soldier can not take more than a couple people to fight. We're not some super awesome rocket powered ninja level samurai stuff, we're people like you. That is why to balance and not ruin the gameplay, the Bomb is present. I recommend people who want a nerf of this weapon to kindly go through my reply and let me know of anything that you are still unsatisfied with. We'll do our best to reach to a conclusion.

Note: Not quoting Karthik and Dodger since their arguments have been catered to by Nikola.

Notan nailed it.

Nikola_123 wrote:

KARTHIK_RKZ wrote:

Armaros wrote:

Nah from my experience car surfing players dont get instantly killed only those inside car maybe.

They'll. Last day we faced the same thing. Me, Raskit,Spicy and Shaco was on the car and nikola bombed us and we died instantly.

And that, my dear, isn't truth. I managed to kill driver, and someone in the car, Idon't remember kilking someone on it. As Armaros said, driver, and passengers in the car get instantly killed, however, people on the car have a chance of escape, because the bomb can only kill you if it is deployed right next to you, and we practice to deploy it in front of the car, to imobilize and kill the driver, so that the car itself can explode and to the double surrounding damage. People on the car are usually scattered around when they see swat approaching, so the guys on the car can really avoid the bomb in general, and they usually get little to no damage from the bomb.

Nikola, We 4 were on the top of car. We couldn't escape as you were on /smh and we didn't see you coming to us. And the kill list was Nikola bombed the 4. I don't have any video or something about it. But the other guys with me can confirm it. You all are saying Army got much resources. Yes, they do. But each one of it has restrictions. When going with Tank - we can't take down the cophunters when innocents are near to them. We can't use Hydra unless the cophunters are Most Wanted. We can't shoot with hunter as well as rustler as they are in ground. We can't use Sparrow unless there is a most wanted, and if they're teaming with highly wanted or medium wanted it can't be used. We can't use RPG on suspects in ground.Seee much RESTRICTIONS are there. And also For using most of the vehicles, we need to /su the passengers as well as if anyone is car surfing. It'll take 5 + 5 = 10 sec and criminals can easily escape in that time.....Only the thing can be used in this situation is Grenade. I think you all know how it works. SWAT Bomb > Grenade........

notanadmin wrote:

Criminals can easily run away. The bomb damages only those INSIDE the car, and hence majority of the time the cophunters can escape. Also, there are Bomb Jammers available.

I was on the car and I still died.

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I don't know why some of you are comparing it to the army tank. Army has every tool to eliminate wanteds because they are the deadly force for a reason. Without the rank,hydra and all the fancy vehicles,army would be just like regular cops. First of all army needs to /su and wait 5 seconds and second of all they are the deadly force for a reason. Not to mention that it's slow too. I knew you guys would bring up the army tank and that's why i suggested adding a timer or the /su command before deploying the SWAT bomb or at least SWAT members get damaged by it too.

When I spoke to CXdur about it yeterday,he told me to try it myself and I did. Had no problem killing with it because it is easy. When i was a SWAT member back in the day,we used to have a command (forgot what it was,maybe /prepswatbomb i dunno) and we had to type it before deploying it. Now all you need to do is exit or jump off the vehicle with the detonator and double click it.

Just yesterday,when we prepared everything and got wanted,here comes this SWAT member jumping off the roof of their vehicle and killing 4 of us instantly. All i saw was just an explosion and my dead body (lul),not even an animation of the SWAT planting the bomb. Criminals already have lot on their plate; they have to /takedrugs,/stun and /sh to pre-type,doubt that someone can type /jamswatbomb in a matter of a second aswell.

Just for the record,i didn't ask for it to be removed. It just needs to be altered so it'll be fair for criminals.

And /jamswatbomb will be shortened to /jsb (afaik)

Shaco wrote:

notanadmin wrote:

Criminals can easily run away. The bomb damages only those INSIDE the car, and hence majority of the time the cophunters can escape. Also, there are Bomb Jammers available.

I was on the car and I still died.

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I don't know why some of you are comparing it to the army tank. Army has every tool to eliminate wanteds because they are the deadly force for a reason. Without the rank,hydra and all the fancy vehicles,army would be just like regular cops. First of all army needs to /su and wait 5 seconds and second of all they are the deadly force for a reason. Not to mention that it's slow too. I knew you guys would bring up the army tank and that's why i suggested adding a timer or the /su command before deploying the SWAT bomb or at least SWAT members get damaged by it too.

When I spoke to CXdur about it yeterday,he told me to try it myself and I did. Had no problem killing with it because it is easy. When i was a SWAT member back in the day,we used to have a command (forgot what it was,maybe /prepswatbomb i dunno) and we had to type it before deploying it. Now all you need to do is exit or jump off the vehicle with the detonator and double click it.

Just yesterday,when we prepared everything and got wanted,here comes this SWAT member jumping off the roof of their vehicle and killing 4 of us instantly. All i saw was just an explosion,not even an animation of the SWAT planting the bomb. Criminals already have lot on their plate; they have to /takedrugs,/stun and /sh to pre-type,doubt that someone can type /jamswatbomb in a matter of a second aswell.

Just for the record,i didn't ask for it to be removed. It just needs to be altered so it'll be fair for criminals.

And /jamswatbomb will be shortened to /jsb (afaik)

SWAT Bomb is really buggy as well. Sometimes the detonator doesn't work and you need to type /detonator as well. Sometimes the criminals are really laggy. It could be unfair for you, but i really have failed so many times catching a biker with a swat bomb, even when he was really close to it, because of his high ping. It is almost impossible to stop a biker with a roadblock, due to their ping. They must have the ping at least 60 to block them with roadblock, and its the same on the car. If you have a high ping, you wont be damaged a lot. It is really useful, but only to the ones which know how to use it. And yeah, i still bring up the army tank for the defensive reason. As long as army got a really defensive tank, we should at least have the bomb, to knock the criminals away. Remember, that unlike army, we can only cuff the suspect and make sure the car is there to drag (only 1 suspect). So, if we cuff all the cophunt, then there would be no way to arrest them all, because they could break the cuffs. As i said, swat bomb is really useful, only when you know how to use it. I do not think there would be any chance to kill you guys without the swat bomb. And if you are requesting this, then there would be no challenge for you. You can copy /jamswatbomb command and CTRL + V it when you want to in less then 0.5 seconds, so there is a way to dodge it. Or you can just move to the other way to again dodge it.
I think there is enough reason.

Shaco wrote:

notanadmin wrote:

Criminals can easily run away. The bomb damages only those INSIDE the car, and hence majority of the time the cophunters can escape. Also, there are Bomb Jammers available.

I was on the car and I still died.

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I don't know why some of you are comparing it to the army tank. Army has every tool to eliminate wanteds because they are the deadly force for a reason. Without the rank,hydra and all the fancy vehicles,army would be just like regular cops. First of all army needs to /su and wait 5 seconds and second of all they are the deadly force for a reason. Not to mention that it's slow too. I knew you guys would bring up the army tank and that's why i suggested adding a timer or the /su command before deploying the SWAT bomb or at least SWAT members get damaged by it too.

When I spoke to CXdur about it yeterday,he told me to try it myself and I did. Had no problem killing with it because it is easy. When i was a SWAT member back in the day,we used to have a command (forgot what it was,maybe /prepswatbomb i dunno) and we had to type it before deploying it. Now all you need to do is exit or jump off the vehicle with the detonator and double click it.

Just yesterday,when we prepared everything and got wanted,here comes this SWAT member jumping off the roof of their vehicle and killing 4 of us instantly. All i saw was just an explosion and my dead body (lul),not even an animation of the SWAT planting the bomb. Criminals already have lot on their plate; they have to /takedrugs,/stun and /sh to pre-type,doubt that someone can type /jamswatbomb in a matter of a second aswell.

Just for the record,i didn't ask for it to be removed. It just needs to be altered so it'll be fair for criminals.

And /jamswatbomb will be shortened to /jsb (afaik)

It Would be nice if they change /jamswatbomb to /jsb

Shaco wrote:

notanadmin wrote:

Criminals can easily run away. The bomb damages only those INSIDE the car, and hence majority of the time the cophunters can escape. Also, there are Bomb Jammers available.

I was on the car and I still died.

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I don't know why some of you are comparing it to the army tank. Army has every tool to eliminate wanteds because they are the deadly force for a reason. Without the rank,hydra and all the fancy vehicles,army would be just like regular cops. First of all army needs to /su and wait 5 seconds and second of all they are the deadly force for a reason. Not to mention that it's slow too. I knew you guys would bring up the army tank and that's why i suggested adding a timer or the /su command before deploying the SWAT bomb or at least SWAT members get damaged by it too.

When I spoke to CXdur about it yeterday,he told me to try it myself and I did. Had no problem killing with it because it is easy. When i was a SWAT member back in the day,we used to have a command (forgot what it was,maybe /prepswatbomb i dunno) and we had to type it before deploying it. Now all you need to do is exit or jump off the vehicle with the detonator and double click it.

Just yesterday,when we prepared everything and got wanted,here comes this SWAT member jumping off the roof of their vehicle and killing 4 of us instantly. All i saw was just an explosion and my dead body (lul),not even an animation of the SWAT planting the bomb. Criminals already have lot on their plate; they have to /takedrugs,/stun and /sh to pre-type,doubt that someone can type /jamswatbomb in a matter of a second aswell.

Just for the record,i didn't ask for it to be removed. It just needs to be altered so it'll be fair for criminals.

And /jamswatbomb will be shortened to /jsb (afaik)

I don't want to come off as offensive, sorry if I sounded rude

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Now moving on, Army has got a shitton of loud rowdy powerful weapons. SWAT has nothing like that, we run on commands.
Also, I believe /su won't work for SWAT. Army does it when they have the Rhino and Hydra, neither can be damaged much within the 5 seconds timer. But SWAT, which uses the Sultan extensively won't last even 5 seconds that close to a cop hunting car. Hence the timer isn't really a very good idea.
The other one of the bomb affecting the SWAT is something I agree with, that would still make it realistic. But the timer isn't a good idea for a faction that runs on common typical vehicles.

SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) Bomb might seem to be OP but considering it to be SWAT's weapon (SPECIAL WEAPONS YES) and comparing with tons of features of other main faction, i'd say its balanced.
And i don't really recall getting killed by SWAT bomb after this update because everytime SWAT's are nearby, i make sure to check if someone's CPL+ rank and then play safe. So its not something you can't evade.
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