[Lsrcr]iMax wrote: Alright now I have question for you.You're muslim or Christian?I mean,what is your religion,who is your God?Just curiousI'm a proud Muslim, always have, always will be (inshallah). My God is Allah, my prophet is Muhammad, my book is the Quran.
Moose wrote:Alright thanks for answering my question[Lsrcr]iMax wrote: Alright now I have question for you.You're muslim or Christian?I mean,what is your religion,who is your God?Just curiousI'm a proud Muslim, always have, always will be (inshallah). My God is Allah, my prophet is Muhammad, my book is the Quran.
[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:Juice. wrote:Thanks man but one question.IF I didn't believe in God but then did and then changed my mind couple of times but now I really do believe at God,is it forgiven to me?It's important that I've released some things right? :/[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:Jesus is God and God's son.Take an egg for example, in an egg there are three parts, the shell, egg white, and the yolkGreat answer man. I had a similar answer prepared but I knew moose's 1 simple question was just a lie/bait to get me, [now you] into a series of never ending questions. So here we have it, every answer you supply will be responded with a new question. They're goal is to prove allah is the true God but I seen one muslim post where he named Jesus and Moses as miracles workers but then he never said Mohamed because Mohamed never performed miracles or did anything besides worship Venus.
Yolk would be God
Egg White would be Jesus Christ
Shell would be the Holy Spirit
Moose wrote:Lol at Juice thinking this is all a conspiracy against him and Jesus
I'm just looking for answers by asking logical questions that I noticed poke some flaws in the modern Christian's beliefs.
Jesus is a God to them, but he was a God that was overpowered by his own creations?
Now, the Holy Trinity (The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit).
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial
Now, let's go to the Bible.
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked. "Only God is truly good." -Mark 10:18I mean, Jesus just practically said that he isn't God, or am I reading it wrong?
You skipped some important scriptures when you googled how to disapprove Jesus so here it is.
mark 10:17
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
and seeing how you did skip I will try better to post full scriptures/surrounding scriptures because it was after Jesus performed miracles and the man called him "good master" Jesus was testing the guys faith basically asking him like "only God is Good right? Well explain why you are calling me God" and the man explained because Jesus IS GOD, That's why he called him good.
19 You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"
20 "Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy." [meaning he didn't break any of the rules]
21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
22 At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. [rich man has no chance to enter heaven as the bible says, money is the root of all evil. No evil man will make it to heaven]
23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." [AKA NEVER]
26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, "Who then can be saved?"
27 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."
Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. -Mark 12:29And again here?
imax explain this to you already. egg white + egg yolk + shell = 1 egg
That's why when muslims say we worship 3 gods this scripture proves them WRONG. Thanks
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. -John 8:28"I do nothing on my own but speak just what the father has taught me"? Isn't that implying that Jesus isn't God, and that he does what someone else (God) tells him?
God is the Heavenly Form Of God, Jesus Was the Human form of God.. But God/Holy spirit > human flesh... God created Jesus and called him his son because God had already put knowledge of the Goodness of God in him so he was able to preach God without any Bible. He is the bible and he taught them as he preached to them. Pastors today preach out of the bible because Jesus taught this so we are touching what he came to hear to teach us humans so we wont all have to go to the hot place because of sinful things humans did against God. Part of God's teaching is that none may enter to the father unless they get through his son FIRST who is Jesus. Jesus is God.
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. -John 14:28
wow!!!! exactly what I just typed up there agrees with this verse too. God > human flesh
I don't think an explanation is needed here? 'THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I'. I thought the trinity is CO-EQUAL? Doesn't really seem that way here, does it?
Same again, Jesus was a man who was God's son. God > human flesh. Jesus was teaching that even though we seen him performing unbelievable miracles, telling us of things to come that his Heavenly form is still greater. Even though they were completely amazed by Jesus. that's how GOOD God is.
I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. -John 5:30
Exactly!!! Thanks for posting these scriptures man! You picked out some good stuff to discuss. God sent Jesus to earth to die for our sins. It all makes sense that we must get through Jesus to get to God[heavenly form] because Jesus has been a human. His judgment on us is very fair and "just" as he said. He understands as humans we have it tough and therefore with God's experiences as a human being he is more fit to judge us and I thank God for doing that.
I thought Jesus was God, but how does he report back to 'the one who sent him'?
"I carry out the will of the one who sent me (God) not my own will" NOT MY OWN WILL, this is very obviously Jesus saying that HE IS NOT GOD!
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But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. -Mark 13:32How could a God not know his day of judgement? How could Jesus, who is co-equal with the Father, NOT know the day or hour of the day of judgement..?
co equal? You just typed the basic same scripture over and over with Jesus saying "Yeah I'm great but God is GREATER!!!" where do you get co-equal?
Jesus is differentiating between himself and between God, or am I blind? And that's from your bible..
I rest my case.
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Moose wrote:Juice ignores proof from the Bible, ain't that lovely. Ha, I proved my point, more importantly to myself than to others.
Moose wrote:In John 10:30 he says that he and the father are one, but in John 14:28 he says that the father is greater than he is.. don't you see the contradiction? The inconsistancy?
Islam says that Jesus was never crucified, it all makes sense now. I understand.
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' Matthew 7:21-23That's it! On the Day of Judgement, Jesus will descend again, and he will cast away the people who consider him to be God.. it's all there man, everything is here, God left everything here, we just need to put all the pieces together. I feel so enlightened, so happy right now. That 0.0001% of doubt that the devil had put in my mind is gone. Thank you iMax, you probably didn't mean to do it, but you pushed me to look into the bible, and I understand now. Everything Islam said was true, and the Bible confirms it.
Moose wrote:That 0.0001% of doubt
