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Nikola_123 wrote:

Even if you implement this, consider this, they shoot at our car, and by the time i reach them with my bomb, I'm either dead by car explosion, or by four people who are shooting at me, while I'm trying to reach them with my bomb. While tank is heavy armored vehicle, able to launch projectiles from distance. I honestly don't understand how you can even come up with this.

That's the only issue with the /su part, we can't fire bombs, we have to be too close to 8 cophunters who won't take long to kill us. That's why /su isn't a very good idea imo

knifeboss1557 wrote:

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DonY wrote:

Simple make it like tank rules
You can't kill orange suspects with it u can only if he is teaming with red/dark red after suing them
If they opened fire on swats car he can use it without /su
Thats the best way i guss

Lets say the /su command is added.You are driving a bike/car(goin solo)and you see a orange wanted driving and 2-3 other red/orange criminals.You got to /su all of them they could spread out and survive it and also 5 seconds is a long time.They can destroy our car/bike not like the rino that has 8k+hp as our sultan or bullet wich we use most while teaming has 1khp and also the criminals poping your tires and using hard and alot of turns to escape.If the /su command will be added the bomb would not be used as much as it would be more "weak"in a sort of way.And theres not much corporals i think theres 16 but not all active.Just think about it .

Mate if they started shooting at u while u suing them ignore the time and bomb
Can u tell me now what is happening they see swat they start shooting but when they know that if they opened fire u will be allowed to use the bomb without suing thats better for swat bro if they didn't shot use /su and wait plus u want them to spread around not to attack u when they spread around u will go and catch one of them if they came again use your bomb

DonY wrote:

knifeboss1557 wrote:

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DonY wrote:

Simple make it like tank rules
You can't kill orange suspects with it u can only if he is teaming with red/dark red after suing them
If they opened fire on swats car he can use it without /su
Thats the best way i guss

Lets say the /su command is added.You are driving a bike/car(goin solo)and you see a orange wanted driving and 2-3 other red/orange criminals.You got to /su all of them they could spread out and survive it and also 5 seconds is a long time.They can destroy our car/bike not like the rino that has 8k+hp as our sultan or bullet wich we use most while teaming has 1khp and also the criminals poping your tires and using hard and alot of turns to escape.If the /su command will be added the bomb would not be used as much as it would be more "weak"in a sort of way.And theres not much corporals i think theres 16 but not all active.Just think about it .

Mate if they started shooting at u while u suing them ignore the time and bomb
Can u tell me now what is happening they see swat they start shooting but when they know that if they opened fire u will be allowed to use the bomb without suing thats better for swat bro if they didn't shot use /su and wait plus u want them to spread around not to attack u when they spread around u will go and catch one of them if they came again use your bomb

Well, the problem isn't the SU, it is how am I supposed to get out of my car, and approach them, while they are raining hell on me, and manage to get to their moving car, and bomb it, AGAIN- WHILE THEY ARE SHOOTING ME. Thats the deal here:
I need to get out of a burning car, that they shot.
I need to (if I survived the exploding car) try to come near them (while they are still moving, and shooting at me)
Then I need to (assuming i have survived both car explosion, and their bullet rain) come right next to them (assuming that i have super human speed to catch their car, while I'm running).
And then I have to deploy a bomb.

Now see for yourself if that is even possible to do.

DonY wrote:

knifeboss1557 wrote:

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DonY wrote:

Simple make it like tank rules
You can't kill orange suspects with it u can only if he is teaming with red/dark red after suing them
If they opened fire on swats car he can use it without /su
Thats the best way i guss

Lets say the /su command is added.You are driving a bike/car(goin solo)and you see a orange wanted driving and 2-3 other red/orange criminals.You got to /su all of them they could spread out and survive it and also 5 seconds is a long time.They can destroy our car/bike not like the rino that has 8k+hp as our sultan or bullet wich we use most while teaming has 1khp and also the criminals poping your tires and using hard and alot of turns to escape.If the /su command will be added the bomb would not be used as much as it would be more "weak"in a sort of way.And theres not much corporals i think theres 16 but not all active.Just think about it .

Mate if they started shooting at u while u suing them ignore the time and bomb
Can u tell me now what is happening they see swat they start shooting but when they know that if they opened fire u will be allowed to use the bomb without suing thats better for swat bro if they didn't shot use /su and wait plus u want them to spread around not to attack u when they spread around u will go and catch one of them if they came again use your bomb

Dony's ideas were definitely one of the better ideas as we'd still be allowed to fire back and use it in self defense which to be honest is the most necessary situation to use it anyway. We wouldn't have to /su those and they wouldn't have understood, but read the rest of my reply.

However, for now I'm not quite sure if nerfing the bomb is really necessary. A lot of players have made good arguments on why we should have it, and a lot of players who have not seems to lack some experience with the bomb and how it is used. For players to instantly die, they have to be very close to the bomb. This range is far from overpowered, and if you're outside it you'll take a lot less damage, this would only kill you if were you nearly dead. This means that if a car is bombed the passengers will always be in the range if the vehicle is, for car surfing players it should be very easy to jump off in time.

Another thing you guys do not take into consideration is that this is by far some ultimate weapon as you claim it is. Yes, it is very easy to bomb a player on foot when you are coming from a vehicle, but this is NOT a realistic encounter. In almost EVERY situation, SWAT would arrest players that they can easily get to, while they would save the SWAT bomb for encounters where they'd NEED to use it. In some situations it might be different, but I do not think that this is often. It takes a lot of effort to retrieve it after using it, and on top of that very few players in the community can use it, compared to the extreme amount of players who are able to purchase black market items.

I will however prefix /jamswatbomb to /jsb, and I will also keep an extra eye on the SWAT bomb and see if any changes are necessary. I'll also bring up the bomb with CresP and see what his opinions are. If the S.W.A.T. bomb does turn out to be overpowered, we will probably nerf it. I just don't personally think it's as overpowered as you guys claim, but as I stated I will be keeping an eye on it.