Remove Vortex from groups (ADDED POLL)

[Lolmomlol]

5 words. remove. auto. aim. from. vortex. ,, simple.

[Wayne]

An argument going on? Where the hell was I? Haha! I love it. Ok, so let’s begin.
If there is a way to beat vortex then I don't think that there is point of not keeping it in any group. It's a part of cop hunting and it's not violating any rules.
When the LEOS will die of course they will feel bad and will go against the vortex. Tank is also OP vehicle, there is no vehicle in the server which can beat a tank, but what's the tactic to beat a tank is to jump on it and you guys already know that there are several ways to beat a vortex.
Just because you guys get killed easily, you don't want it to be in any group. Some members of other group are against it because they don't have it and since I'm not making any agreement with any other group they are a bit angry about it. Because either they have to stay in their previous group or they have to be in Terrorists, this thing is pain in the ass for those people.

As Game said, Vortex user can easily get disarmed because of the innocents and this is one of its biggest disadvantages. It happens mostly when we are shooting a cop from nowhere an innocent player appears and disarms us and we have no choice but either to get arrested or to die.
Other than this, Vortex's hp gets decreased very quickly; it takes too much damage as compare to a normal car. Even if you ram a vortex it starts to leave black smoke, which is a sign for low HP and when a vortex is leaving black smoke from its engine then it's a lot harder to control it and move it faster.

If there are advantages of vortexes then there are also disadvantage of vortexes.

Rules for vortex wow! Now a vehicle which has an aimbot should be given some rules. It cannot harm innocents so there is no point of making a rule for driving it.
Players are getting these vehicles because the leaders have already paid for the vehicles.
If it's like paying every month then every group in the server should pay for their vehicles every month since they are also special vehicles which are only buyable via donation points or custom donations. All those vehicles which are not in the buying list of car-shops and they are in any group are special vehicles and which can only be get by donating for it. If that's what you want then every group should pay equally every month for the custom/special vehicles they are using.
If you are creating a group and a base it has its own perks and advantages with it. They don't have to pay every month for their vehicles. We donated for the vortex and we allowed our members only to drive it, as all other groups have the system. You guys are mad about it because you hardly stand a chance against us. When a player donates a vortex and gives keys to other, then i don't see anyone yelling and complaining, it's also the same as giving keys.

Army vehicles have rules and vortex doesn't.
1: If a rule has to be added for vortex it would have been added since the day it was added in the server.
2: One of the major reasons why Army vehicles have rules for it because, they are highly OP and they can highly damages the civilians. That's also the reason why players get auto-banned when they try to use the Army vehicles, because everyone knows that the damage which army vehicles can cause no other vehicle can cause.
3: A rule for a vortex? Are you fucking kidding? You are comparing vortex with Army vehicles? Vortex doesn't stand a chance against any special army vehicle. Does the player using an army vehicle gets disarmed if a innocent comes in front of his target? No, it blows away the civilian as well, that's why a rule is added. If a civilian comes in front of the vortex then bang, you are disarmed. Also I have described a lot of Disadvantages of vortex above.


Since when is cop hunting in a vortex considered as bitching and provoking? If they kill you with a vortex and enjoy it, you will consider it as bitching and provoking? Very clever.
A vortex can go in a place full of Leos and kill them all right? Well in such places either there are innocents or other wanted to disarm the vortex users or the cops place is called the safe zone, where we shoot the cops and get disarmed. Besides the tactics, cops/swat/army has other weapons to destroy or get rid of vortex. Cops have safe zone, the car tactic, Swat has their Swat bomb and Roadblock, spin around the road block and destroy the vortex or just bomb the vortex with your swat bomb, Army has tank, Hydra, grenades. Don't pretend that it's hard to beat a vortex or try to find new and newer excuses for the vortexes just because you don't like it.

If I wouldn't care that who is in my group I wouldn't have been denying members, I wouldn't have kept the test system, What I would have done would be that I would have make agreements with all other groups so they can also join it and kill LEO's right?. Got it?

This is a COPS and ROBBERS server rights? Then both should have equal benefits, LEO's shouldn't be given extra benefits. If I start counting the benefits of LEO's it's much more than the benefits of Criminals/Robbers. For all those commenting this is a COPS and Robbers server, first see whether they are equally treated or not then post such comments.


More Comments to come please bring it on but one request please. Don’t try to change the topic now.

+1 Agreed With Dollarman..

[Lacky]

An argument going on? Where the hell was I? Haha! I love it. Ok, so let’s begin.
If there is a way to beat vortex then I don't think that there is point of not keeping it in any group. It's a part of cop hunting and it's not violating any rules.
When the LEOS will die of course they will feel bad and will go against the vortex. Tank is also OP vehicle, there is no vehicle in the server which can beat a tank, but what's the tactic to beat a tank is to jump on it and you guys already know that there are several ways to beat a vortex.
Just because you guys get killed easily, you don't want it to be in any group. Some members of other group are against it because they don't have it and since I'm not making any agreement with any other group they are a bit angry about it. Because either they have to stay in their previous group or they have to be in Terrorists, this thing is pain in the ass for those people.

As Game said, Vortex user can easily get disarmed because of the innocents and this is one of its biggest disadvantages. It happens mostly when we are shooting a cop from nowhere an innocent player appears and disarms us and we have no choice but either to get arrested or to die.
Other than this, Vortex's hp gets decreased very quickly; it takes too much damage as compare to a normal car. Even if you ram a vortex it starts to leave black smoke, which is a sign for low HP and when a vortex is leaving black smoke from its engine then it's a lot harder to control it and move it faster.

If there are advantages of vortexes then there are also disadvantage of vortexes.

Rules for vortex wow! Now a vehicle which has an aimbot should be given some rules. It cannot harm innocents so there is no point of making a rule for driving it.
Players are getting these vehicles because the leaders have already paid for the vehicles.
If it's like paying every month then every group in the server should pay for their vehicles every month since they are also special vehicles which are only buyable via donation points or custom donations. All those vehicles which are not in the buying list of car-shops and they are in any group are special vehicles and which can only be get by donating for it. If that's what you want then every group should pay equally every month for the custom/special vehicles they are using.
If you are creating a group and a base it has its own perks and advantages with it. They don't have to pay every month for their vehicles. We donated for the vortex and we allowed our members only to drive it, as all other groups have the system. You guys are mad about it because you hardly stand a chance against us. When a player donates a vortex and gives keys to other, then i don't see anyone yelling and complaining, it's also the same as giving keys.

Army vehicles have rules and vortex doesn't.
1: If a rule has to be added for vortex it would have been added since the day it was added in the server.
2: One of the major reasons why Army vehicles have rules for it because, they are highly OP and they can highly damages the civilians. That's also the reason why players get auto-banned when they try to use the Army vehicles, because everyone knows that the damage which army vehicles can cause no other vehicle can cause.
3: A rule for a vortex? Are you fucking kidding? You are comparing vortex with Army vehicles? Vortex doesn't stand a chance against any special army vehicle. Does the player using an army vehicle gets disarmed if a innocent comes in front of his target? No, it blows away the civilian as well, that's why a rule is added. If a civilian comes in front of the vortex then bang, you are disarmed. Also I have described a lot of Disadvantages of vortex above.


Since when is cop hunting in a vortex considered as bitching and provoking? If they kill you with a vortex and enjoy it, you will consider it as bitching and provoking? Very clever.
A vortex can go in a place full of Leos and kill them all right? Well in such places either there are innocents or other wanted to disarm the vortex users or the cops place is called the safe zone, where we shoot the cops and get disarmed. Besides the tactics, cops/swat/army has other weapons to destroy or get rid of vortex. Cops have safe zone, the car tactic, Swat has their Swat bomb and Roadblock, spin around the road block and destroy the vortex or just bomb the vortex with your swat bomb, Army has tank, Hydra, grenades. Don't pretend that it's hard to beat a vortex or try to find new and newer excuses for the vortexes just because you don't like it.

If I wouldn't care that who is in my group I wouldn't have been denying members, I wouldn't have kept the test system, What I would have done would be that I would have make agreements with all other groups so they can also join it and kill LEO's right?. Got it?

This is a COPS and ROBBERS server rights? Then both should have equal benefits, LEO's shouldn't be given extra benefits. If I start counting the benefits of LEO's it's much more than the benefits of Criminals/Robbers. For all those commenting this is a COPS and Robbers server, first see whether they are equally treated or not then post such comments.

More Comments to come please bring it on but one request please. Don’t try to change the topic now.

Haters gonna hate, I agree with dollarman on this, Man why remove the most funny thing in samp?, Just because u hate the vortex carl, doesnt mean we other do, Donate 6 dps and u have one of ur own. End of arguement's. ktchbai, Note: Remove vortex, Then you have to remove taze.

[Demon.]

@dollarman
This is the problem, joining your group is like getting headphones (just ask). It's waay to easy which means newbies easily enter it. The whole point of that group is to annoy SWAT (which you always do) and I'm fine with you coming and killing 1-2 of us (max because we always blow you up) and I'm not saying you're bitching, but when you get mad when we kill you, you call another member and he grabs a vortex and you start hunting SWAT. That's why SWAT is against it. And I mean c'mon you don't even have to get tested to join your group. I don't know if you were here when BlackTigers existed, but this group will end in the same way. It's as if you just changed the name.

[Shady]

When there were no group-vortex vehicles, there were no arguments, having vortex as a group vehicle is not as same as giving keys.

Army tank has rules, vortex does not.

Oh trust me there were still a lot of reports and arguments with vortex before these groups. This topic mostly triggered everything that happened in the past with vortex.

I find it a bit silly creating rules for a vortex because when you think about,what kind of rules would the group make? Even if they make these rules,they would probably break them and that would create more problems around the server.

Do people who use aimbot get banned for it? Yes.

Vortex basically is aimbot, yet you don't get banned for using it. So you can basically cheat without the risk of getting banned.

Let's see. In real life, let's say you're driving a hoverboat, and you have a sub-machine gun. If you start shooting at someone, will it auto aim for you? I guess not, hm. You see? Having aimbot for vortex makes no sense!

So with the same argument we can ban players for using 2 shot because it's bug abuse. This is a cops and robbers server with light roleplay elements.

I don't know why some of you are making a federal case out of this. Why does this let it bother you so much? It's like i said in my previous post somewhere in this topic. If you aren't able to catch a criminal using a vortex then don't chase them at all. If they cophunt you,call other cops,swats or army to help you out or run into the the safe zone and let the vortex players get mad. As a criminal,you're risking yourself in getting killed or arrested while as a Law Enforcement you are risking yourself in getting killed by one or more criminals since you're a threat to them.

[Fantastic]

Support.

[Mr.DollarMan]

@dollarman
This is the problem, joining your group is like getting headphones (just ask). It's waay to easy which means newbies easily enter it. The whole point of that group is to annoy SWAT (which you always do) and I'm fine with you coming and killing 1-2 of us (max because we always blow you up) and I'm not saying you're bitching, but when you get mad when we kill you, you call another member and he grabs a vortex and you start hunting SWAT. That's why SWAT is against it. And I mean c'mon you don't even have to get tested to join your group. I don't know if you were here when BlackTigers existed, but this group will end in the same way. It's as if you just changed the name.

1: Joining my group is not at easy as you are thinking.
2: If you have the ability to join the group then we don't deny them, because when a player has the ability to join the group then I don't feel not letting him/her.
3: Newbies enter it because most of them don't know how to roleplay and since this group is a non-roleplay group they find it perfect and easier for them and also this a cop hunting group with having fun purpose, so this draws their attention.
4: My group point is to cop hunt and have fun. If killing swat gives them fun then there's no objection in it, this group is to have fun and cop hunt without any rules broken.
5: Why is called a group then, If i won't be calling my members to help me out with something? Like you swat team and help each other, so do we team and help each other. If helping group members is what swat doesn't like then they should also not team and remove the rule of teaming in swat.
6: Not getting tested to join your group? You are referring Jawzom's application here right? Just to let you know, he was trolling and trying to have fun, since we are friends, so he decided to apply like this and as to make it more fun I wrote accepted we need noobs like you. After that I gave him the rights and deleted his application. It's more like temporary rights.
7: Yes, I've heard about BlackTigers and I know the actual reason as well why did it get closed. The reason was breaking a rule of LSRCR, which the community didn't support and decided to close. I can be more specific about it if you want me to. No, it will not be closed as BlackTigers did, I assure you that. Besides if you guys plan to provoke us and push us in the bad way.
8: You can think the way you like, I can't change your way of thinking.
9: If Swats get annoyed by getting killed so for once think as a criminal, the criminals also get annoyed by getting arrested.
10: As I requested in my last comment that please don't change the topic and stick to it and we ill have a enjoyable argument, I can see that you tried to change the topic a bit here, not completely. I again request, to stick with the topic and read my last comment instead of this because this is reply is only for demon.

[Kaosx234]

Lets talk for real here, whoever suggested this so far is swat member, it's weird don't say it's not, lol
Swat/army/pagati are not machines you have to get tested to play in these skins and use it's Vehs, As i said above swat/army's Veh are harmful for innocents you don't get disarmed when you shoot an innocent with tank, LOL if you don't want to get killed by 3 4 5 6 vortex or whatever, don't get near them or get a tank AND RAM THE FUCK OUTTA OF THEM, same to swat get a car then put a swat bomb then BOOOOOM in the middle of these 3 Vortex's and they will Insta explode, when i had swat bomb and dark was playing with vortex with tro and someone from terrorist i killed 2 and dragged 1 lol, Now lets get to our main point, You pass a test to play with vortex in terrorist, also you Pass a test to play with swat bomb/rb/Or that invisable shit and with army vehs, So it's fair n square do you guys Wish this server only Law enforcers to be OP and not criminals? Bitch please if you remove this from the groups remove army and swat vehs, Lets play it fair n square, or put a rule to the vortex Just as rule for Army veh and swat veh, so YOU BETTER PUT A RULE ABOUT IT BUT NOT TO REMOVE IT However for an answer to rain, don't ever compare this server with Something in real life, Because in real life you won't type /bc you won't make a base infront of lspd with group named terrorist and auto aim with vortex, you won't make Swat put rb from no where in Real life, so yeah LSRCR is not a roleplay server it's a light rp server.
And an answer for kaosx, If you think this is an insult then yeah, ik how you look like in real life : ))))

I wonder, which vehicle does SWAT have? Your argument is in a mess, you should really do some paragraphs. Anyway, can you tell me which vehicle does SWAT have and civilians do not. I am ready to put a rule in case you find one.

Nope, you do not know how do I look like. Thank God that not many Egyptians are like you.

Exactly, everyone who doesn't understand this is retarded, nothing more.

@Kaos, it's cops and robbers, make it fair for both, not just for one, + your all arguments are retarded just as you

If my arguments are retarded, care to elaborate the reasons? Or you simply want to boost your post count?

Actually it's retarded because critical nailed it also you are trying to remove Vortex from group instead to put for them rules which means you want Swat/army/LSPD to be op on criminals, and no this will not happen in any time soon baby.

So my arguments are retarded because critical nailed it? What exactly did he say to make my "arguments" weak?

EDIT: will be edited once I read Dollarman's post

[Shepherd_Dog]

I totally agree because vortex is too OP and most powerful simply, you can't donate it to your group if yes, It should be on time (a month) same as shop requires not permanently.
If you need vortex then Donate from the shop.

[Demon.]

You clearly don't understand what I said you kill cops who get in the way of your main mission, annoying swat. Yeah temp rights lol. And after all that bitching and annoying us when we finally get the chance to arrest you quit, join again and repeat the process, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER AND I MEAN EVERYONE quits when we jack their vortex or when we have the chance to arrest. That's why most of your members have a low reputation, including you m8.