Accusing as a tagged member

[Robin]

+1, calling people out publicly for using cheats makes staff’s job harder

[CXdur]

I think this rule would be pointless. As several players have brought up, all it did was lead to stupid reports and report hunting. It just made the staff's work harder. It was added in the past because certain players were being repeatedly accused even though they had been investigated by admins. Thinking back, there would have been no need to add a rule for it back then. At the start it was unwritten.

Harassing content: content including, but not limited to, threats to commit real-life crime or violation of these rules, repetitive insults, racial slurs, bullying, asking for personal details, content containing explicit or implicit sexual overtones, or any other content sent to an individual after being asked by that person to stop sending such content.

If a player is being accused repeatedly by the same person, and they've been told to stop, it could still be affected by the harassment rule.

[PresidentOfAmerica]

I think this rule would be pointless. As several players have brought up, all it did was lead to stupid reports and report hunting. It just made the staff's work harder. It was added in the past because certain players were being repeatedly accused even though they had been investigated by admins. Thinking back, there would have been no need to add a rule for it back then. At the start it was unwritten.

Harassing content: content including, but not limited to, threats to commit real-life crime or violation of these rules, repetitive insults, racial slurs, bullying, asking for personal details, content containing explicit or implicit sexual overtones, or any other content sent to an individual after being asked by that person to stop sending such content.

If a player is being accused repeatedly by the same person, and they've been told to stop, it could still be affected by the harassment rule.

Lock this if you think this is useless, maybe you're right, but it's even harder to take proofs of everyone who accuses you, so that you can keep a record who is doing it repeatedly. And even if I report someone for accusing me repeatedly, the report would be locked and I would be told to /ignore to reported player.
Again, the issue here is not only getting annoyed by someone accusing me, but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.

[Karu_Tepes]

I think this rule would be pointless. As several players have brought up, all it did was lead to stupid reports and report hunting. It just made the staff's work harder. It was added in the past because certain players were being repeatedly accused even though they had been investigated by admins. Thinking back, there would have been no need to add a rule for it back then. At the start it was unwritten.

Harassing content: content including, but not limited to, threats to commit real-life crime or violation of these rules, repetitive insults, racial slurs, bullying, asking for personal details, content containing explicit or implicit sexual overtones, or any other content sent to an individual after being asked by that person to stop sending such content.

If a player is being accused repeatedly by the same person, and they've been told to stop, it could still be affected by the harassment rule.

Lock this if you think this is useless, maybe you're right, but it's even harder to take proofs of everyone who accuses you, so that you can keep a record who is doing it repeatedly. And even if I report someone for accusing me repeatedly, the report would be locked and I would be told to /ignore to reported player.
Again, the issue here is not only getting annoyed by someone accusing me, but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.

The issue is youre going after TAGGED members. Not the score 0s, not the regulars, not the trolls, only the tagged members. If a tagged member is harassing you, use /ignore. If they really make it an issue, then you go to staff. Now no tagged member should be doing that, but I know not everyone follows rules. But my point is this:

The rule was removed. Adding it for only tagged members is pointless.

You also have a logic error: but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.
ok great, in your world, tagged members don't accuse... but a non-tagged regular player isn't bound by that and can accuse all they want! So what did it solve? You slapped a new rule on a single tiny portion of the community, which removed their ability to joke also, but anyone else can still give a hacker that warning you think is being broadcast. It's a basic gag order with zero effect.

[PresidentOfAmerica]

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I think this rule would be pointless. As several players have brought up, all it did was lead to stupid reports and report hunting. It just made the staff's work harder. It was added in the past because certain players were being repeatedly accused even though they had been investigated by admins. Thinking back, there would have been no need to add a rule for it back then. At the start it was unwritten.



If a player is being accused repeatedly by the same person, and they've been told to stop, it could still be affected by the harassment rule.

Lock this if you think this is useless, maybe you're right, but it's even harder to take proofs of everyone who accuses you, so that you can keep a record who is doing it repeatedly. And even if I report someone for accusing me repeatedly, the report would be locked and I would be told to /ignore to reported player.
Again, the issue here is not only getting annoyed by someone accusing me, but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.

The issue is youre going after TAGGED members. Not the score 0s, not the regulars, not the trolls, only the tagged members. If a tagged member is harassing you, use /ignore. If they really make it an issue, then you go to staff. Now no tagged member should be doing that, but I know not everyone follows rules. But my point is this:

The rule was removed. Adding it for only tagged members is pointless.

You also have a logic error: but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.
ok great, in your world, tagged members don't accuse... but a non-tagged regular player isn't bound by that and can accuse all they want! So what did it solve? You slapped a new rule on a single tiny portion of the community, which removed their ability to joke also, but anyone else can still give a hacker that warning you think is being broadcast. It's a basic gag order with zero effect.

If not for only tagged, then add for everyone, which is highly unlikely to happen since it was just removed. I am saying only tagged because if in a case, someone with 0 score or good score and no tag accuses you of using something, you wouldn't be as scared as when you would be when someone with the [Lsrcr] tag would accuse you. When they get more scared, they start using it smartly, because when someone with the tag accuses, the accused is mostly sure that the tagged player would be contacting an admin, and there is a lesser chance of that 0 score / non tagged player contacting an admin.
This is not always true, its just extremely generalized, many exceptions are there, but I am just mentioning it.

Also, it is extremely unprofessional for tagged players to be accusing in the mainchat. Just like scamming, normal players can do it, but not tagged because it's not professional. Might aswell allow scamming for everyone then, shouldn't we?

[CXdur]

I think this rule would be pointless. As several players have brought up, all it did was lead to stupid reports and report hunting. It just made the staff's work harder. It was added in the past because certain players were being repeatedly accused even though they had been investigated by admins. Thinking back, there would have been no need to add a rule for it back then. At the start it was unwritten.

Harassing content: content including, but not limited to, threats to commit real-life crime or violation of these rules, repetitive insults, racial slurs, bullying, asking for personal details, content containing explicit or implicit sexual overtones, or any other content sent to an individual after being asked by that person to stop sending such content.

If a player is being accused repeatedly by the same person, and they've been told to stop, it could still be affected by the harassment rule.

Lock this if you think this is useless, maybe you're right, but it's even harder to take proofs of everyone who accuses you, so that you can keep a record who is doing it repeatedly. And even if I report someone for accusing me repeatedly, the report would be locked and I would be told to /ignore to reported player.
Again, the issue here is not only getting annoyed by someone accusing me, but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.

You don't need to take proof of everyone doing it though. All you need to do is send them a PM telling them to stop and that you will consider it harassment if they continue you to falsely accuse you. If they keep doing it, you probably have grounds for a report, although the report would have to be looked into.

Admins will probably continue to take action towards players who reveal there is a cheater in-game. We muted such players long before we added a specific rule towards accusing, and this certainly wasn't the reason as to why we added it. Honestly, I don't really see this point too well though, because if this only were to apply to tagged members I don't think it would change much? In my experience it's mostly non tagged members calling out cheaters in the main chat. A lot of the more experienced players have probably been told not to before.

[Karu_Tepes]

I think this rule would be pointless. As several players have brought up, all it did was lead to stupid reports and report hunting. It just made the staff's work harder. It was added in the past because certain players were being repeatedly accused even though they had been investigated by admins. Thinking back, there would have been no need to add a rule for it back then. At the start it was unwritten.



If a player is being accused repeatedly by the same person, and they've been told to stop, it could still be affected by the harassment rule.

Lock this if you think this is useless, maybe you're right, but it's even harder to take proofs of everyone who accuses you, so that you can keep a record who is doing it repeatedly. And even if I report someone for accusing me repeatedly, the report would be locked and I would be told to /ignore to reported player.
Again, the issue here is not only getting annoyed by someone accusing me, but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.

You don't need to take proof of everyone doing it though. All you need to do is send them a PM telling them to stop and that you will consider it harassment if they continue you to falsely accuse you. If they keep doing it, you probably have grounds for a report, although the report would have to be looked into.

Admins will probably continue to take action towards players who reveal there is a cheater in-game. We muted such players long before we added a specific rule towards accusing, and this certainly wasn't the reason as to why we added it. Honestly, I don't really see this point too well though, because if this only were to apply to tagged members I don't think it would change much? In my experience it's mostly non tagged members calling out cheaters in the main chat. A lot of the more experienced players have probably been told not to before.

The main issue is this: the suggestion doesn't do the original intent, but does harm tagged members. Heres an example...

[Lsrcr]Karu_Tepes: gg ackman, remove aim

this wouldn't be allowed, and could get me in trouble despite clearly being a joke.

Loudness.: id 34 aimbot! Get staff!

This, though a clear accusation, would be allowed.

It only makes it easy to report hunt tagged members, who should know better, while letting others get away it. Donald, I've spoken to several people. No one believes you're using an aimbot. I assume these tagged members were joking, simply trying to make you feel welcome here. We joke like that with each other. If you dislike that, ask them to stop. If they keep going, then consider a harassment report. But I honestly feel people just wanted to make feel accepted, and you got offended by it. But we do joke with those we like and feel are part of this community. To go make this just made everyone feel frustrated. You should really get to know people, and stop this "my job is to arrest everyone' attitude. You're not wrong in that being your job, but if you don't get to know people and be part of the community, you won't be accepted into the community. We're just trying to help you.

[PresidentOfAmerica]

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I think this rule would be pointless. As several players have brought up, all it did was lead to stupid reports and report hunting. It just made the staff's work harder. It was added in the past because certain players were being repeatedly accused even though they had been investigated by admins. Thinking back, there would have been no need to add a rule for it back then. At the start it was unwritten.



If a player is being accused repeatedly by the same person, and they've been told to stop, it could still be affected by the harassment rule.

Lock this if you think this is useless, maybe you're right, but it's even harder to take proofs of everyone who accuses you, so that you can keep a record who is doing it repeatedly. And even if I report someone for accusing me repeatedly, the report would be locked and I would be told to /ignore to reported player.
Again, the issue here is not only getting annoyed by someone accusing me, but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.

You don't need to take proof of everyone doing it though. All you need to do is send them a PM telling them to stop and that you will consider it harassment if they continue you to falsely accuse you. If they keep doing it, you probably have grounds for a report, although the report would have to be looked into.

Admins will probably continue to take action towards players who reveal there is a cheater in-game. We muted such players long before we added a specific rule towards accusing, and this certainly wasn't the reason as to why we added it. Honestly, I don't really see this point too well though, because if this only were to apply to tagged members I don't think it would change much? In my experience it's mostly non tagged members calling out cheaters in the main chat. A lot of the more experienced players have probably been told not to before.

https://imgur.com/a/iyniK0r

Screenshot 1 :
Player1 : Wtf donald
Player1: Dude you are using aim
Player2: Rofl
Player2: Hes not using aim at all
Player1: Bruh he killed me like from 200 meters
Player2: Let me kill him then ez
Player1: I don't think that's even possible
Player2: Y'all suck
Player1: No-one is pro like [Player2]
*I killed player2*
Player1: Hahah what's up? (after knowing he died)

Screenshot 2 : (After I killed [Player2])
Player2: Trash im gonna trrash u now
Player2: I toggled too leggo

Both, Player1 and Player2 are tagged members and supporters. These are just two examples which I took proofs of since so many people were accusing me yesterday. There were 3-4 more which I didn't screenshot.

Notice how Player2 was so sure I wasn't using aimbot until I killed him, just proves that all they want is to be god and not be killed by anyone, if anyone kills you = aimbot.

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@Karu_Tepes :
go to HaN discord, #support. Read the 2 messages:
ackmanYesterday at 4:59 PM
@SAMP Staff Aimbot ingameID 0
KaneYesterday at 5:20 PM
It would be great if any admin join as uc.

I am not saying these are the players that accused me, they might be or they might not be, but I was ID 0, they reported me, which is not a problem, that was the right thing, but accusing me? Like in the mainchat I posted above, that is not right, they weren't sarcastic. And if it is THIS is how they welcome players to this community, no wonder they will soon be the reason why people leave.. being accused continuously...

[Karu_Tepes]

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Lock this if you think this is useless, maybe you're right, but it's even harder to take proofs of everyone who accuses you, so that you can keep a record who is doing it repeatedly. And even if I report someone for accusing me repeatedly, the report would be locked and I would be told to /ignore to reported player.
Again, the issue here is not only getting annoyed by someone accusing me, but the fact that people tend to use their modifications smartly once they find out people have got a hint that they are using something illegal.

You don't need to take proof of everyone doing it though. All you need to do is send them a PM telling them to stop and that you will consider it harassment if they continue you to falsely accuse you. If they keep doing it, you probably have grounds for a report, although the report would have to be looked into.

Admins will probably continue to take action towards players who reveal there is a cheater in-game. We muted such players long before we added a specific rule towards accusing, and this certainly wasn't the reason as to why we added it. Honestly, I don't really see this point too well though, because if this only were to apply to tagged members I don't think it would change much? In my experience it's mostly non tagged members calling out cheaters in the main chat. A lot of the more experienced players have probably been told not to before.

https://imgur.com/a/D32XVsi

Screenshot 1 :
Player1 : Wtf donald
Player1: Dude you are using aim
Player2: Rofl
Player2: Hes not using aim at all
Player1: Bruh he killed me like from 200 meters
Player2: Let me kill him then ez
Player1: I don't think that's even possible
Player2: Y'all suck
Player1: No-one is pro like [Player2]
*I killed player2*
Player1: Hahah what's up? (after knowing he died)

Screenshot 2 : (After I killed [Player2])
Player2: Trash im gonna trrash u now
Player2: I toggled too leggo

Both, Player1 and Player2 are tagged members and supporters. These are just two examples which I took proofs of since so many people were accusing me yesterday. There were 3-4 more which I didn't screenshot.

Notice how Player2 was so sure I wasn't using aimbot until I killed him, just proves that all they want is to be god and not be killed by anyone, if anyone kills you = aimbot.

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@Karu_Tepes :
go to HaN discord, #support. Read the 2 messages:
ackmanYesterday at 4:59 PM
@SAMP Staff Aimbot ingameID 0
KaneYesterday at 5:20 PM
It would be great if any admin join as uc.

I am not saying these are the players that accused me, they might be or they might not be, but I was ID 0, they reported me, which is not a problem, that was the right thing, but accusing me? Like in the mainchat I posted above, that is not right, they weren't sarcastic. And if it is THIS is how they welcome players to this community, no wonder they will soon be the reason why people leave.. being accused continuously...

Regarding the player 1/player two screenshot and chat, they are clearly joking. Even I, not understand sarcasm easy, can see they are clearly just dicking about. It's a common joke here that "Better than me is hacks, worse than me is nub"

Regarding [Lsrcr]Ackman report, I can't say much. Could be wrong ID. Could have been a real aimbot left, you joined, and get his ID number. When I was admin on another server, I actually banned myself because id 32 was hacking with a user posting clear video proof. He left as soon as I joined, and I got his number, so when I banned 32, I banned myself. [Lsrcr]Ackman also probably doesn't know you, and if someone he doesn't know is able to beat him (He's highly skilled) he might indeed assume it's an aimbot because he doesn't know you. This is why I say get to know people. If the regulars know you, your skills, and so on, you're less likely to be confused for some newbie with aimbot.

[Snipaxxyy]

I don’t see why one should be affected by someone who is accusing him if he is not using/doing the thing is be being accused of.

Not only it brings unnecessary reports but in the other hand it can convince one to stop doing what he is being accused of (assuming he truly is) and that is a second chance for him, meaning he doesn’t end up in the Ban appeals section and we have one more player that continues to play.

I do not see a problem if toggling on/off from someone’s part happens as that is what many do nowadays. Doesn’t concern me considering the fact that sooner or later he will be caught, most bans are issued based on the evidence an Administrator collects when he goes through someone’s PC on TeamViewer.

I don’t see why this will help.