Replacing SSB with spikes [DENIED]

[ackman]

Your name: [Lsrcr]Ackman
Suggestion headline: Removal of SWAT shock bomb & addition of spikes.
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Importance of suggestion: 8/10
Why should it be accepted: Hi there. I think this time this SUGGESTION should be considered very seriously. Every time someone would make suggestion like this, SWAT members would come and fill the topic with NON related things. They'd bring back saying how OLD SWAT Bomb was removed, It was overpowered that's why it was removed, and now this.. this ONE is as WELL overpowered. Killing car engine for 5 seconds/disarming/disabling SHOCK gun makes it impossible for the criminal to ESCAPE at any cost. You've got to UNDERSTAND this instead of bringing back the past describing how Criminals complaint about previous bomb, and now about this one. Crime rate is already low, score tabs are mostly filled with BLUE color. Now whenever I prepare my group for Cop Hunts, riots - we ALWAYS end up getting killed or arrested within 5 to 10 minutes max because of SWAT bomb. It's ONE click and requires little to no skills at ALL. SWAT have never been able to catch large amount of Criminals with their team work skills/or tactics or special vehicles for e.g Water Canon, 2k HP cars.

My suggestion is to completely REMOVE this BOMB and add spikes instead. SWAT has got lots of feature, they could use them to catch criminals. They could use roadblocks, /smh to hide themselves from map markers, PLUS POINT, they've got 2k HP on Sultan which is A VERY big advantage., we NEVER complaint about any other feature except for SWAT bomb because it has always been overpowered and destructive. It causes BAD image to SWAT faction, it's destroying the whole faction image. Getting SWAT bomb has become very easy. Now I hope, this suggestion will be taken into consideration unlike previous ones. They've been ignored because of the SWAT members bashing about SWAT bomb jammer, and how Criminals have always cried and complaint about SWAT bomb. I'm pretty clear in this suggestion, I've stated all the FACTS, you've got plenty of other features and getting this OVERPOWERED (one click boom) thing shouldn't be a problem. Please support this suggestion, don't be biased because we ALL know that this one click bomb is OVERPOWERED af.

I'm also suggesting a solution to overcome this problem which is - by adding spikes. What spikes would basically do? They'd simply POP all your tires once you pass your car through/over them. Considering /fix command doesn't work unless the car health is under 600 so it would give SWAT members a handsome amount of time to shoot at the driver or put roadblock in front of suspect car.

SWAT has the ability to use /roadblock, hide themselves from markers /smh, fix their car tires & have unlimited nitro /swvm, water canon, 2K hp cars and TEAM WORK. (which we've never seen lol). There are other ways to deal with criminals, please use them instead of using a OVERPOWERED bomb. Hope this suggestion topic isn't ruined. Please discuss professionally if you DO NOT wish to kill the remaining crime rate (which I believe is gonna be 0 in near future if these things doesn't gets changed).

[Crossbones]

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here again, these “cophunters” greedy like dogs never satisfied continuously want more, without thinking it twice before making a suggestion like this

I expect this suggestion to be supported only by server players with an average age of 10 obviously, only thing they know is to hunt cops non stop and this thing is their kryptonite...

Swat bomb is already nerfed too much, since I came back I was surprised how this actual BOMB was nerfed to this play toy, easy to counter in comparison with the older Bomb which would end a riot in seconds, that was a bit OP but still doesn’t justify the downgrade it had.

replacing it with spikes or smth else is just stupid, if you want spikes then we can make another suggestion to add it too, as a SWAT special weapon ofc. since you didn’t though it twice, spike can be easily countered with a group of Mechanic cophunters, like every cophunt nowadays.

SWAT stands for Special Weapons and Tactics, for all those people or kids unaware of what it means, so having special weapons like the bomb is quite normal and realistic for them.

bomb is also needed in scenarios where there is a big cophunt going on, and If I am soloing for instance in skin, I pretty much cannot /taze and /drag any wanted at all, it would be impossible to stop a cophunt with 5 rioters and would die everytime without slowing you down, so basically this Bomb is used to balance criminals and swats

also, you can just /swatjam by buying a jammer to stop it from deploying, easy solution to it but instead y’all must be lazy and broke to buy it, so nerfing is the only option left

I suppose we should shut down Swat because kids aren’t happy with it, let’s lower Lsrcr average IQ more than it has been lowered lol...

[CXdur]

I don't really agree the SSB is so overpowered. You are not even taking into consideration that if you get bombed by SWAT in the first place, you probably got too close to them or didn't think ahead. You are saying it's easy and that it's just one click. For it to be easy, the victim has to be making it easy. I don't know, I feel like your view is kind of one sided. You are clearly seeing this from a cop hunting perspective, but LSRCR is a CNR server, not a TDM server.

Spikes would also be useless. As you are saying in the suggestion, there are road blocks. Spikes haven't been implemented because there is no real use case for them, and it would be a waste of resources in that sense.

[Crossbones]

I don't really agree the SSB is so overpowered. You are not even taking into consideration that if you get bombed by SWAT in the first place, you probably got too close to them or didn't think ahead. You are saying it's easy and that it's just one click. For it to be easy, the victim has to be making it easy. I don't know, I feel like your view is kind of one sided. You are clearly seeing this from a cop hunting perspective, but LSRCR is a CNR server, not a TDM server.

Spikes would also be useless. As you are saying in the suggestion, there are road blocks. Spikes haven't been implemented because there is no real use case for them, and it would be a waste of resources in that sense.

clearly one sided point of view obviously, topic lock before cafe players spam it with just +1, and no COUNTERARGUMENT at all

[ackman]

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here again, these “cophunters” greedy like dogs never satisfied continuously want more, without thinking it twice before making a suggestion like this
We have never requested anything for us, all we've requested since start is only the removal of this OVERPOWERED bomb.

I expect this suggestion to be supported only by server players with an average age of 10 obviously, only thing they know is to hunt cops non stop and this thing is their kryptonite...
Non stop cophunt? C'mon bud, you know yourself that a Cop hunt couldn't last for more than 5 minutes if there's a guy with the bomb.

Swat bomb is already nerfed too much, since I came back I was surprised how this actual BOMB was nerfed to this play toy, easy to counter in comparison with the older Bomb which would end a riot in seconds, that was a bit OP but still doesn’t justify the downgrade it had.
Yep, I knew something like this would come up that's why I mentioned not to bring the past. I'm still surprised that you're not accepting the fact that previous bomb was the way OVERPOWERED and unrealistic (harming everyone in the radius except for the SWAT members, lol), it required little to no skill to kill every wanted suspect in the certain radius. I cannot argue with someone who's still supporting the old bomb. Sorry, but still:

Let's see what a SWAT Bomb offers:

• Engine Kill for 5 seconds
• Disarms the driver & passenger.
• Auto freeze/taze the suspect.
• Disables the shock gun effect.
• Auto-eject (if on bike).

All of these just with a single click. Can you please just tell me the ONE single situation on how to encounter this?

replacing it with spikes or smth else is just stupid, if you want spikes then we can make another suggestion to add it too, as a SWAT special weapon ofc. since you didn’t though it twice, spike can be easily countered with a group of Mechanic cophunters, like every cophunt nowadays.
SWAT's main task is to arrest. That's why I mentioned spikes. I hooked up on few servers and saw that they're using road barriers and spikes. Spikes cannot be easily encountered in a car mechanic cophunt, if you know - a mechanic can only fix the vehicle if it's health is below 600 HP, so driver will have to crash vehicle few times before getting his tires repaired. During that, SWAT has the full time to take necessary actions.

SWAT stands for Special Weapons and Tactics, for all those people or kids unaware of what it means, so having special weapons like the bomb is quite normal and realistic for them.
Yep, it's indeed very realistic. One click and boom *engine* *disarms* *freezes* *disables shock gun* *auto-eject* - VERY special weapon.

bomb is also needed in scenarios where there is a big cophunt going on, and If I am soloing for instance in skin, I pretty much cannot /taze and /drag any wanted at all, it would be impossible to stop a cophunt with 5 rioters, so basically this Bomb is used to balance criminals and swats
Lets apply the same situation to the one Criminal. General discussion forum topic is filled with such topics that SWAT bombing them, etc. You can look up yourself there. Even newbies be complaining on removing this bomb. I wonder who changed it back from Kaosx's time.

also, you can just /swatjam by buying a jammer to stop it from deploying, easy solution to it but instead y’all must be lazy and broke to buy it, so nerfing is the only option left
Expected this. Just like SWAT members are lazy to get injections from Hospital, we're as well lazy to get Jammer from Black Market.
Make it available in weapons rack just like SWAT has, and I'm sure there'll be no more complains. Or either shift the SWAT Bomb to a far place like you'll have to visit State office to get bomb or something, I don't know. I'm suggesting the removal of this overpowered shit.

I suppose we should shut down Swat because kids aren’t happy with it, let’s lower Lsrcr average IQ more than it has been lowered lol...
Yeah lets just shut down the whole faction and lower the server IQ because we made a suggestion against SWAT :O --- Avg. Player Base is around 20 to 30 which will also be probably ripped off soon because of game-breaking mechanisms.

Just hoping that there won't be "more crimes" message appearing on main chat because we're not hosting riots or cophunting until this issue is resolved.
Come with an argument, don't come up talking about previous bomb, y'all SWAT members are used to OVERPOWERED thing that's why y'all keep supporting such features. I hope some day you'll play as a criminal and realize what you said here is INDEED wrong and the criminals were REALLY right. I'm also expecting a reply in regards to asked "ONLY one situation" to escape SSB.
Thanks. x]

[Snipaxxyy]

If we wanted to remove the SWAT bomb then I think we should definitely balance between SWAT & Cop hunters. Let's start, perhaps, with removing mountain bikes completely, removing Blackmarket then we could discuss of removing SSB. We get to face everyday people who ride Mountain Bikes on 300 ping which is literally like superglueing your ass to the mountain bike saddle... although we manage to get them off their bikes they're supplied to teeth with Blackmarket items, different kinds starting from taze reflectors, shock guns, stun bats, cuff kits etc etc... even SSB Jammers which neutralize SSB!
SSB is not as easy to use as someone who cannot use it would think, we have to get close to the suspect who is probably skipping roads by jumping over walls & buildings, we have to predict their move of which direction they're heading at & the situation where SSB has no use is when they reach to Mulholland and skip roads jumping from one to another and doing that continously. Plus, counting the fact that detonators are very buggy and not everytime we get to detonate our bombs which then will cost us another good 10 minutes chasing the same suspect.
If we wanted to remove SSB then we'll need to balance things, else no.

[CXdur]

If you want to reply to this topic, please do it properly. +1 without any argument as to why is ignored. If you would like to know why, please read this topic: viewtopic.php?f=620&t=50556. The topic is from 2014 and it's stickied in this section.

Also please try to stay on point. If the discussion isn't constructive, I will simply lock the topic.

EDIT: I will remove any replies when I see them if they do not contribute to the topic. Read the topic I linked.

[ackman]

I don't really agree the SSB is so overpowered. You are not even taking into consideration that if you get bombed by SWAT in the first place, you probably got too close to them or didn't think ahead. You are saying it's easy and that it's just one click. For it to be easy, the victim has to be making it easy. I don't know, I feel like your view is kind of one sided. You are clearly seeing this from a cop hunting perspective, but LSRCR is a CNR server, not a TDM server.

I'm sure that SWAT members will have the same POV as me once they actively start playing as a Criminal for temporary period. You're right here that one has to be really closed to get bombed but SWAT bomb is a game-breaking mechanism, it ruins the gameplay. I'm not saying that a cop hunt has to run non stop or I've to be successful in every escape, all I'm saying is that this bomb has LOTS of destructive features, I'm expecting here only ONE single situation to escape this bomb (once used).

Engine Kill for 5 seconds
Disarms the driver & passenger.
Auto freeze/taze the suspect.
Disables the shock gun effect.
Auto-eject (if on bike).

All of these just with a single click. Can you please just tell me the ONE single situation on how to encounter this?

Spikes would also be useless. As you are saying in the suggestion, there are road blocks. Spikes haven't been implemented because there is no real use case for them, and it would be a waste of resources in that sense.

They're not, other servers have been using the same thing. I double-checked before posting this suggestion. I don't even care whatsoever is happening in this community, I don't even play anymore, but I just want this game-breaking element to go away for newbies at least. You can look up yourself General discussion forum where newbies are complaining about this thing. Sorry to say, but these members are not skilled they're used to their OP bomb - they do not even hesitate to use this bomb on a newbie, lol. If a newbie, anyhow car jack someone or changes the car during the chase they would simply use the bomb to kill his engine. What do you think now?

Just remember, it doesn't affect me in anyway, because I do not play regularly as I used to. I only come for one or two hours and it's sad that I've to be BOMBED in these small playing hours too, lol.

[CXdur]

I'm sure that SWAT members will have the same POV as me once they actively start playing as a Criminal for temporary period. You're right here that one has to be really closed to get bombed but SWAT bomb is a game-breaking mechanism,.
If you play as a criminal in general, I don't think it's likely that you will get SWAT bombed. If you are cophunting, it is definitely more likely. Still, if you are cophunting, there are a lot of ways to counter the SWAT bomb. Evading SWAT or spreading out for instance are good options.

All of these just with a single click. Can you please just tell me the ONE single situation on how to encounter this?

Yes. Staying out of the SWAT bomb radius, or if cophunting, rotate SWAT bomb jammers. In a 1 vs SWAT situation, you should always evade SWAT anyway. If with a team you might be able to take them on.
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They're not.

Yes. They are. Whether or not other servers have them doesn't really matter. This has been discussed by SWAT staff and developers multiple times. The fact is a roadblock will always be more effective. It will bring them to a full stop and you can easily pop their tires then.

You can look up yourself General discussion forum where newbies are complaining about this thing. Sorry to say, but these members are not skilled they're used to their OP bomb - they do not even hesitate to use this bomb on a newbie, lol. If a newbie, anyhow car jack someone or changes the car during the chase they would simply use the bomb to kill his engine. What do you think now?

I'll check it out and I think it's good people discuss those things. I don't however think it justifies removing the bomb completely.

[ackman]

If we wanted to remove the SWAT bomb then I think we should definitely balance between SWAT & Cop hunters. Let's start, perhaps, with removing mountain bikes completely, removing Blackmarket then we could discuss of removing SSB. We get to face everyday people who ride Mountain Bikes on 300 ping which is literally like superglueing your ass to the mountain bike saddle... although we manage to get them off their bikes they're supplied to teeth with Blackmarket items, different kinds starting from taze reflectors, shock guns, stun bats, cuff kits etc etc... even SSB Jammers which neutralize SSB!
SSB is not as easy to use as someone who cannot use it would think, we have to get close to the suspect who is probably skipping roads by jumping over walls & buildings, we have to predict their move of which direction they're heading at & the situation where SSB has no use is when they reach to Mulholland and skip roads jumping from one to another and doing that continously. Plus, counting the fact that detonators are very buggy and not everytime we get to detonate our bombs which then will cost us another good 10 minutes chasing the same suspect.
If we wanted to remove SSB then we'll need to balance things, else no.

I respect your POV and you indeed look correct. I'm not going onto Black Market Items because this market is the START of this whole unbalanced gameplay comparison which I think is too late to complain now. Maybe SSB could be a thing used against Bikers, but not against the cars? Because on the bike there may be a chance to escape but on the car, there's literally no chance. A cop teaming with the SWAT is waiting outside having /cuff id copied.
SWAT should work as a Team, just like we Criminals do. We do only get successful in killing/robbing because of a team, without a team we're nothing - so should SWAT as well. We can overcome this issue by discussing over here professionally, something that should work for everyone. I'm sure you'll as well find it overpowered considering the features it has against criminals who are on car.