Serious regulation about deathmatching rules

[Schwegar]

Your name: Schwegar
Suggestion headline: Serious regulation about deathmatching rules
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Importance of suggestion: 10/10
Why should it be accepted: It has serious effect on gameplaying. Also needs a editing to meet the needs of roleplay.

Hey,

As you all know, fist dm and much more isn't against rules. So that means, a play can fist-dm another without valid reasons. My suggestion about that is stricting deathmatching rules so none can waste another ones fun of game. High percent of gamers come and play in that server in order to have fun and getting some space from real life. I really can't understand why some random guy has rights to kill me without any reasons. We all know repeating that behaviour will be punished, but not right in that time? Maybe an official warning will stop the player from acting like that. Probably everyday two or three random guy killing me in that way and since its not punished I can't feel it's okey.

In order to give an example, last day, I was playing as a cop and was duelling with a criminal. My gf asked me to do something and in order to do so i found a cover and talked to her. In just 2 seconds another officer came up and killed me with a nightstick. I was really mad, even created a report post about it after tried talking to guy who wasted my mood. But he's not punished. There's another example, a civilian can fist-dm another and waste his/her whole time and even this may make him/her question the time he/she spent here.

My suggestion about that is, making a change in Deathmatch exceptions 6.3 clause, as "Utilizing melee weapons, excluding chainsaw, you may attack any person for only valid reasons. Vehicles are NOT considered melee weapons for the purposes of this exception. This exception does not allow violating harassment rules (rule 2.1.2). Also people may punch another player by mistake, if so, player must warn him about that. -That can also be added as a new rule in order not to punish newbies.-

For clearence, I'm not blaming the admins. I think it's higher rankings responsibility.

Anyway, that has been a long topic. Thanks for reading, I'll try to read every serious comment about it.

[Faraon78910]

You're supposed to say what those 'valid reasons' would be.
So a guy jumps on my car and doesn't want to move, am I or am I not allowed to kill him by punching? There cloud be 1000 such scenarios and it might confuse some players and increase pointless reports. I believe most of players are already used to this, -1 from me.

[Karu_Tepes]

One of the best parts of this server is that we don't have too many rules. The ones we have are simple, easy to enforce, and easy to understand. If we add this rule, someone can punch me as a joke and get banned? I punch someone and can't prove I had a reason, and I get a ban? What about when someone robs me? I use a gun, they can shoot back. I use my sword, they can't do anything. Not to mention that this would lead to DOZENS of reports for staff to pick through, investigate, and so on. If someone does melee DM you, they do get punished by getting a wanted level. I'm not trying to go against every suggestion you make, but in this case you're sadly very new and don't really know the server yet. I made the same mistake when I was new. Tried to suggest new rules and such, got a bunch of negatives on it all. Try to play a bit longer and understand how the gameplay here is, because it's unlike any other server.

[Schwegar]

You're supposed to say what those 'valid reasons' would be.
So a guy jumps on my car and doesn't want to move, am I or am I not allowed to kill him by punching? There cloud be 1000 such scenarios and it might confuse some players and increase pointless reports. I believe most of players are already used to this, -1 from me.

You're right, there could be lots of scenarios but I assure you people knows what to do about it. You can punch a guy who randomly jumps on car or blocks you, thats a valid reason of course. Also I don't get why all of you afraid for admins getting more reports? There's lots of admin to deal with it.

The point of this topic is increasing standarts, not tryna stick on them like a holy object.

[Schwegar]

One of the best parts of this server is that we don't have too many rules. The ones we have are simple, easy to enforce, and easy to understand. If we add this rule, someone can punch me as a joke and get banned? I punch someone and can't prove I had a reason, and I get a ban? What about when someone robs me? I use a gun, they can shoot back. I use my sword, they can't do anything. Not to mention that this would lead to DOZENS of reports for staff to pick through, investigate, and so on. If someone does melee DM you, they do get punished by getting a wanted level. I'm not trying to go against every suggestion you make, but in this case you're sadly very new and don't really know the server yet. I made the same mistake when I was new. Tried to suggest new rules and such, got a bunch of negatives on it all. Try to play a bit longer and understand how the gameplay here is, because it's unlike any other server.

Sadly, you're wrong about this topic too, I really begin thinking that you're really not understanding the matters I talked about. You mean bunch of negatives by just two people...

You're wrong on one more situation, I've registered here in 2015, got enough time to observation and comparison. These suggestions that I've posted so far are for all players, even the non-players of our own. I strongly believe these ideas will reinforce the server and increase players.

Except these, I can understand that Ls-rcr has a different kind of identity from other servers. As you said, gameplay is a bit different too. I've never played on different samp server but I learned their systems.

"Change is mandatory if we want permanence." that's the idea in my head. Otherwise I can play with these rules too, but I dont think there will be much more others to play.

[Karu_Tepes]

One of the best parts of this server is that we don't have too many rules. The ones we have are simple, easy to enforce, and easy to understand. If we add this rule, someone can punch me as a joke and get banned? I punch someone and can't prove I had a reason, and I get a ban? What about when someone robs me? I use a gun, they can shoot back. I use my sword, they can't do anything. Not to mention that this would lead to DOZENS of reports for staff to pick through, investigate, and so on. If someone does melee DM you, they do get punished by getting a wanted level. I'm not trying to go against every suggestion you make, but in this case you're sadly very new and don't really know the server yet. I made the same mistake when I was new. Tried to suggest new rules and such, got a bunch of negatives on it all. Try to play a bit longer and understand how the gameplay here is, because it's unlike any other server.

Sadly, you're wrong about this topic too, I really begin thinking that you're really not understanding the matters I talked about. You mean bunch of negatives by just two people...

You're wrong on one more situation, I've registered here in 2015, got enough time to observation and comparison. These suggestions that I've posted so far are for all players, even the non-players of our own. I strongly believe these ideas will reinforce the server and increase players.

Except these, I can understand that Ls-rcr has a different kind of identity from other servers. As you said, gameplay is a bit different too. I've never played on different samp server but I learned their systems.

"Change is mandatory if we want permanence." that's the idea in my head. Otherwise I can play with these rules too, but I dont think there will be much more others to play.

You're failing to consider the kind of... 'player', we have. We cannot teach most of them that hopping on a police bike and using an MP5 to mow down others cops and civilians isn't allowed half the time. I watch PLENTY of them get quized, /q, rejoin, and DM again. Over and over and over. I have watched a user be given 4 or 5 warnings, DOZENS of quizes, 3 or 4 BANS and guess what? He still hops on the police bike and DMs people. And he is not the only one. Not by a long shot. And as far as 'legitimate reasons' we have that same rule on hits. Go read report section... look up the insane amount of invalid hit reports. Invalid hit after invalid hit after invalid hit. This would be no different, I assure you.

Nothing is permanent, and it's not the gameplay costing us players. It's that SA-MP is almost 20 year old, no longer hosted, no longer supported, no longer made, and kind of a pain to get. You can't mod the steam or RGL versions. You have the jailbreak them. Then, you have to know SAMP exists. Then you have to install it. Then you have to find LS-RCR. When you have GTA 5, GTA-O, and so on... yeah, SA-MP is just fucked, and it's not the fault of LS-RCR, it's still one of the highest player count servers left.

[Schwegar]

Any other ideas?