Bring back Cops and Robbers, anti-TDM suggestions

[Robin]

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Suggestion headline: Make Lsrcr a Cops and Robbers server again, TDM isn't what it's supposed to be and a big reason many people have left.
This will be seen as 'controversial' by many, but those are simply not realizing that Lsrcr is NOT a TDM server and was never meant to be.
Importance of suggestion: 10/10
Why should it be accepted: The server's name is Los Santos Roleplay Cops and Robbers, not Los Santos Team Death Match.
Cophunting is TDM style gameplay, just because the 'crims' are out to DM the 'cops' doesn't mean it's nothing but 2 teams DMing each other.

@Developers I'd be happy to sit down and dive back into the code of Lsrcr to help with some of the odd logic behind this, like working out the formulas used to determine rewards and stuff.

'LEO job' = arresting as cops, dragging as SWAT, killing as Army.
The suggestions below will only work if all of them are implemented, else things will go out of balance. (or a variation thereof)
Dynamic rewards for CnR balance
The incentive for CnR should be greatly increased, this is how I'd do it;
- A dynamic score/money system as rewards for Cops AND Robbers
- Payouts of score and money are increased, more score and more money.
- The random chance of getting a reward is based on the ratio of LEOs vs wanteds

This means that if there's 15 cops and 1 wanted, that 1 fella will make absolute bank whilst the cops will barely be rewarded, incentivising more people to do robbery style gameplay.

Remove sawnoffs from regular gameplay
Any weapons that promote fighting over CnR gameplay should be removed, this is primarily for the 'run like a headless chicken' sawnoffs but is not limited to just Sawnoffs.

Completely outlaw cophunting
Fuck you if you support cophunting, it does nothing but promote TDM gameplay. Just like civilians, a crim should not be able to damage a cop that did not open fire first (implement in the anti-DM system).

Duelling
It's understandable that duelling is a big part of Lsrcr and SAMP, so throwing away duelling completely won't be a wise thing. Duelling cards should be made significantly cheaper (AT LEAST 25 cards for 1 DP).

Increasing penalties for TDM
Dying should have more consequences, but killing another player (unless self defence (who shot first) or Army/SWAT after /su) should be punished in some way.
Cops already have an excessive force penalty that's WAY too low to the level where it can be neglected.
Crim vs crim kills aren't even allowed to be done unprovoked, so nothing should change there.
Crim that kills a cop WITHTOUT it being self defence should be punished more heavily, by either an automated fine, taking away score or steep increase in wanted level.

CnR gameplay rewards
Getting arrested or killed by Army, however, shouldn't be as punished as heavily anymore. Meaning that dying in combat with cops (NOT self defence) has more of a negative effect than getting arrested.
Suicide should, if wanted, be penalised in some way through the form of increased hospital bills based on wanted level. A 200-250 dollar fine for every wanted level could be an option.
If arrested, 1/4th of the fine or less will be handed out alongside jailtime.

TDM Events
To avoid alienizing the TDM lovers, we could have automated scheduled TDM events which place a pool of people into an area or arena and let them TDM for X amount of minutes.

[Criminal]

A huge positive!

[Grand]

You probably have 0 clue of what's the meaning of SA-MP, that's not a completely RP server, negative.

[Karu_Tepes]

My only contest to this idea is to reverse criminal vs cops shooting. NOT because I condone cophunting, I really hate it. However, no where in the world should a cop open fire on a suspect UNLESS that suspect shot at the cop. Therefore, I think criminals SHOULD be able to open fire on cops ONLY if the cops are coming at them, and trying to arrest. The "can't harm cops unless cop shoots" thing just makes it useless to be a criminal, and it isn't realistic. Likewise, police should NOT shoot unless the criminal shoots at them.

To be clear though, I do not see me unloading my deagle on a cop who is arriving at my location as I run for my car to be cophunting. Covering fire makes sense for a criminal in that situation. But at no point should I go looking for cops to kill, and at no point should a group of 4+ all pile on a sultan and go hunting down cops.

[Robin]

My only contest to this idea is to reverse criminal vs cops shooting. NOT because I condone cophunting, I really hate it. However, no where in the world should a cop open fire on a suspect UNLESS that suspect shot at the cop. Therefore, I think criminals SHOULD be able to open fire on cops ONLY if the cops are coming at them, and trying to arrest. The "can't harm cops unless cop shoots" thing just makes it useless to be a criminal, and it isn't realistic. Likewise, police should NOT shoot unless the criminal shoots at them.

To be clear though, I do not see me unloading my deagle on a cop who is arriving at my location as I run for my car to be cophunting. Covering fire makes sense for a criminal in that situation. But at no point should I go looking for cops to kill, and at no point should a group of 4+ all pile on a sultan and go hunting down cops.

Potential alternative could be to penalise whoever opens fire first through either an 'excessive force' penalty for the cop, or a higher wanted level when the kill is actually made for the crim. That was it's still possible to fight each other while penalising the first person to open fire and thus discouraging TDM.

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You probably have 0 clue of what's the meaning of SA-MP, that's not a completely RP server, negative.

Over 2669 hours and 8 years of experience at Lsrcr alone. My left toe has more common sense and knowledge about SAMP alone than your sorry ass does about anything ever. Try contributing something useful for once in your life instead of a braindead response without any content.

[Thursday]

I'm actually do like all these suggestions but in some case and it is just SA-MP I will just go with negative. -1

By the way let's make a test for atleast 1 month to see if it is really good.

[Grand]

Over 2669 hours and 8 years of experience at Lsrcr alone. My left toe has more common sense and knowledge about SAMP alone than your sorry ass does about anything ever. Try contributing something useful for once in your life instead of a braindead response without any content.

My comment is well explained, Ls-rcr ain't a fully RP server. It's just you who can't realize the difference between SA-MP and FiveM, I wouldn't be surprised if your next suggestion will be adding voice chat somehow in the server, I come here to practice shooting and dueling not to RP, if you really enjoy RPing then apply for Pagati or go back to your FiveM.

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Over 2669 hours and 8 years of experience at Lsrcr alone.

I believe you are suggesting sawnoff removal just because you don't know how to use it, you lack skills, accept that your aim is garbage.

[Criminal]

Over 2669 hours and 8 years of experience at Lsrcr alone. My left toe has more common sense and knowledge about SAMP alone than your sorry ass does about anything ever. Try contributing something useful for once in your life instead of a braindead response without any content.

My comment is well explained, Ls-rcr ain't a fully RP server. It's just you who can't realize the difference between SA-MP and FiveM, I wouldn't be surprised if your next suggestion will be adding voice chat somehow in the server, I come here to practice shooting and dueling not to RP, if you really enjoy RPing then apply for Pagati or go back to your FiveM.

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Over 2669 hours and 8 years of experience at Lsrcr alone.

I believe you are suggesting sawnoff removal just because you don't know how to use, you lack skills, accept that your aim is garbage.

Both of you are gay, use pms please.

[Meow]

Even tho I really liked your suggestions, i believe it’s a bit too late already to make such drastic changes. Devs won’t really spend much time trying to bring the old version of Lsrcr back. So just go with the flow and let it be a semi tdm server

[Nex]

A huge positive