New Hide Command for PAGATI Members

[Karu_Tepes]

I'd be fine turning our map marker and name white. Realistically no one should know when we're about to nail you for a hit. And I think making it white to ALL users would avoid some of the issues of LEOs helping people by cuff abusing.

[artifact]

It should be shared with the faction leader first, and then forwarded to the senior if they approve it.

I believe it wouldn’t be appropriate to have command like SWAT /SMH to hide from the map, as this command is intended for a specific reason: to keep the city clean from criminals, which is part of S.W.A.T duties

Since you're not a Pagati member, it's understandable that you might not see the purpose behind this. However, I want to make it clear that we are not trying to copy SWAT in any way. The idea is simply to have a system that helps us stay hidden or even appear white on the map, which helps us plan better, this isn't about interfering with SWAT’s duties but rather about making our members more interesting in tough situations. I hope you take the time to understand this before replying.

[artifact]

+1 , I think this already been suggested before and accepted, maybe there is just no dev have time to code it and give Pagati update(s)

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[Stormborn]

The best idea according to me is make pagati white when they enter a specific vehicle like police turns white when they enter a specific car. This should be applicable when a pagati member is innocent. So the player with a hit can't see that pagati is coming to hunt them. That can be any 4 seater vehicle so they don't have a problem teaming.

And as far of the hide command, for those who dont know how the /smh works it makes the whole swat squad off the maps and only 1 member can use it at a time doesnt matter if 2 or 3 sgt+ members are in skin then it goes on a large cool down before it can be used again. So i dont think adding a command to hide pagati members will be a good decision. Moreover pagati can have both a criminal and an innocent at the same time so what if pagati has both innocent and a criminal player at the same time in skin and the innocent one uses the hide command, what happens then? Do you think this much coding would be possible at this stage with san andreas?

And if you guys are implying that only 1 member can be invisible when they use the command then what about the members who are not enforcer+, then teaming would not be possible.

So i think the best would be the idea i suggested above.

And whoever keeps comparing pagati with swat/army, ofc Army and Swat has many good things and commands as they are a Law Enforcement faction so isnt it obvious that they'll have all the crazy technology with them to clear out the crimes. Whereas pagati is a mafia faction so what more do you expect the seniors to give you? a TANK or what SSB? Pagati already got many features like placing hits while being a hitman, Clearing wanted levels, supplying drugs to the groups.

[artifact]

And whoever keeps comparing pagati with swat/army, ofc Army and Swat has many good things and commands as they are a Law Enforcement faction so isnt it obvious that they'll have all the crazy technology with them to clear out the crimes. Whereas pagati is a mafia faction so what more do you expect the seniors to give you? a TANK or what SSB? Pagati already got many features like placing hits while being a hitman, Clearing wanted levels, supplying drugs to the groups.

I get what you're saying, but just because Pagati is a mafia faction doesn’t mean it can't improve. No one is asking for tanks or crazy military gear, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get new features. SWAT and Army have their advantages, so why shouldn’t Pagati have its own? Things like better teamwork, new mechanics, or more ways to play would make it more fun. Saying 'what more do you expect?' just makes it sound like we shouldn’t try to make the faction better.

[Stormborn]

And whoever keeps comparing pagati with swat/army, ofc Army and Swat has many good things and commands as they are a Law Enforcement faction so isnt it obvious that they'll have all the crazy technology with them to clear out the crimes. Whereas pagati is a mafia faction so what more do you expect the seniors to give you? a TANK or what SSB? Pagati already got many features like placing hits while being a hitman, Clearing wanted levels, supplying drugs to the groups.

I get what you're saying, but just because Pagati is a mafia faction doesn’t mean it can't improve. No one is asking for tanks or crazy military gear, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get new features. SWAT and Army have their advantages, so why shouldn’t Pagati have its own? Things like better teamwork, new mechanics, or more ways to play would make it more fun. Saying 'what more do you expect?' just makes it sound like we shouldn’t try to make the faction better.

Bro did you even read what did i just wrote properly? I never said pagati shouldn't be improved i just said that stop comparing pagati with swat/army. Making pagati equal to swat/army cannot be done is what i am implying here. So stop comparing both the factions with pagati. And i even suggested an idea how can pagati improve and how can you bring this update.

[Karu_Tepes]

And whoever keeps comparing pagati with swat/army, ofc Army and Swat has many good things and commands as they are a Law Enforcement faction so isnt it obvious that they'll have all the crazy technology with them to clear out the crimes. Whereas pagati is a mafia faction so what more do you expect the seniors to give you? a TANK or what SSB? Pagati already got many features like placing hits while being a hitman, Clearing wanted levels, supplying drugs to the groups.

The thing there is Pagati does NOT have any form of upgrade over groups like Hooligans, Blackouts, Buzzards, ect. Seniors want us to the criminal faction to compete with SWAT and Army. Now, Swat and Army have specialized tools ABOVE the LSPD, spetznas, and LSPDU. Logically, Pagati should have some forms of being more defended against the police. Obviously Pagati wouldn't have a tank, but we should have access to better weapons (irl, the mafia DOES have rockets, molotovs, satchels, bombs, and so) and were well known to armor their vehicles. SWAT's cars have double health, while Pagati's do not. Army has a bulletproof tank... we really have nothing to compete with those, and if we're supposed to be the ones criminals call for help the same way SWAT and Army are who the cops call for help, we should have features to make that a reality.

As far as your "you have this and that" Not quite...

-> Placing hits while being a hitman: That's only UB+ and is saved solely for roleplay purposes and self defense.
-> Clearing wanted levels: This is also UB+ and requires us to drive ALL THE WAY TO BLUEBERRY and hope no cop is nearby, and it costs us money.
-> Supplying drugs to the groups: This is a mini-mission to give us something to do. Originally it was just something to do. The only reason we now supply groups is because Pagati stepped up and offered it as a way to let groups keep their drug racks, which were removed in V10. It was Pagati who saved those racks, with the understanding we would control the supply to prevent the server becoming unbalanced.

[Kawish]

If this gets implemented, Lsrcr should honestly refund everyone who’s paid for a group, cause it completely kills the point of owning one. Pagati’s getting all the perks, making it pointless for anyone to join or run a group. They’ve got unlimited weapons and drugs, which gives them a huge edge over regular groups. Meanwhile, regular group owners pay for these features but still struggle to get weapons and drugs, one cophunt with 3 people and their stock is gone in an hour

Pagati should’ve never been a criminal faction. I’d have been cool with their ideas if it was just for RP, but this change isn’t needed. Comparing them to Swat or the Army doesn’t even make sense, cause those factions are totally different, regular players can’t play as them, but anyone can be a hitman or criminal outside of Pagati

I get that we’re trying to balance the game and have more criminals than cops, but this change will just push everyone to one faction/class, which is Pagati. There should be something that benefits all groups, because Pagati already has enough advantages, making other criminal groups irrelevant

[Karu_Tepes]

If this gets implemented, Lsrcr should honestly refund everyone who’s paid for a group, cause it completely kills the point of owning one. Pagati’s getting all the perks, making it pointless for anyone to join or run a group. They’ve got unlimited weapons and drugs, which gives them a huge edge over regular groups. Meanwhile, regular group owners pay for these features but still struggle to get weapons and drugs, one cophunt with 3 people and their stock is gone in an hour

Pagati should’ve never been a criminal faction. I’d have been cool with their ideas if it was just for RP, but this change isn’t needed. Comparing them to Swat or the Army doesn’t even make sense, cause those factions are totally different, regular players can’t play as them, but anyone can be a hitman or criminal outside of Pagati

I get that we’re trying to balance the game and have more criminals than cops, but this change will just push everyone to one faction/class, which is Pagati. There should be something that benefits all groups, because Pagati already has enough advantages, making other criminal groups irrelevant

You're forgetting Pagati is an official faction same as Swat and Army. Go find the Pagati forum section, its under FACTIONS, not groups. You all seem to think it's just another group, and it aint. Yes, we have unlimited guns... so does Swat, Army, and even the LSPD/Bounty hunter. And group owners OWN their groups. I am currently the Don of Pagati, but I don't own it. I can't do whatever I want with it. I have to obey seniors and such because THEY own it, not me.

And I agree, not everyone can play as Swat or Army... and everyone can be a criminal with the same skills as Pagati... THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM. With it being an official faction, Pagati should be more exclusive by offering more features. That's exactly why we're suggesting these things.

[Kawish]

You're forgetting Pagati is an official faction same as Swat and Army. Go find the Pagati forum section, its under FACTIONS, not groups. You all seem to think it's just another group, and it aint. Yes, we have unlimited guns... so does Swat, Army, and even the LSPD/Bounty hunter. And group owners OWN their groups. I am currently the Don of Pagati, but I don't own it. I can't do whatever I want with it. I have to obey seniors and such because THEY own it, not me.

And I agree, not everyone can play as Swat or Army... and everyone can be a criminal with the same skills as Pagati... THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM. With it being an official faction, Pagati should be more exclusive by offering more features. That's exactly why we're suggesting these things.

You're not getting it, Pagati was never supposed to be a criminal faction. Idk why and who turned it into a criminal faction, but I'm sure it was to encourage criminal activity within the server, not that you all come here and ask for exclusive features. It shouldn’t even exist if it’s not roleplaying. There are already numerous criminal groups, and by making Pagati a criminal faction, they’ve made the groups and their owners insignificant, who actually paid for that feature. Saying 'I have to obey seniors because they own it' is such a weird thing to say, like the group owners don’t? lmfao, if they’re told not to move their base or do anything, they can’t overrule it either; they obey seniors just like you do

Pagati should only be considered a faction if it’s roleplaying, and it can have all the exclusive features related to roleplay but when it comes to CNR stuff, you’d have to take all the groups with you too, and basically come up with something that benefits all, not just your 'faction,' cause it's an 'official faction' like Army and Swat