Illuminati Thread, why not.

[Sk1pper]

If I'm an atheist that doesn't mean I didn't try religion. I tried it, and it didn't FEEL anything. You know, I think god will understand me if choose not to believe in a book that has been written thousands of years ago or who knows when it was written, nobody does. I did not do anything wrong, I did not do anything evil, there is no point for god to send me to hell.
Now back to normal talk. Every-single-religion had been created by the Illuminati. They can change history by a snap of a finger and it will appear in every history book in school and it will be considered as truth. We still cannot state facts what was created when and how everything works, because we are collecting information from sources that have been made by some people and those people got it from others and so on and so on. False information becomes true this way and some information stays true, but the problem is that we cannot distinguish the difference, only by our own opinions.

The youngest of the big monotheistic religions were created around year 630, which is 900 years before Illuminati was created - so what makes you believe that Illuminati created these? Jesus created Christianity, and there's proofs that he lived as well as other things mentioned in the book can also be proven, eg. Peters grave in the Vatican. These proofs are not just what you call "a book that has been written long ago." And for your knowledge, it is known when the Bible was written down, so neither that is unknown like you say. It was writting down around year 60-120 by people who actually KNEW Jesus. I'd consider a such book truthful than what you have read on Wikipedia about Illuminati.

And why do you assume that God will send everyone who doesn't believe in him to Hell? Every human being is considered good for him, whether they are Cristian or not. Furthermore, what makes you believe in Hell? Hell is an illusion. The Bible doesn't say anything about such place as a Hell. I find it kinda contradictiorary that you believe in Hell while you're preaching about Illuminati can change history with a snap of a finger and make everyone believe it, considering that Hell is an Illusion created by the Catholic church to make people pay for their sins so they wouldn't go there.

I do not believe in hell! Nor do I believe in heaven god or the devil. Read my post again, we can't state that "this in history is real and that is fake". That is not wise. And you do not know when the "youngest religions" were created, you do not know when Jesus lived and is he real, you do not know is the bible true. That's what makes our discussions worthless - we are discussing on what we think is true. I consider god being a big lie because that is what sounds more real to me. Don't it? And ffs give me proof that people who wrote the bible knew Jesus. I for example know that he sticked a baby in Mary Magdalene( or how's her name's spelled ). But the bible doesn't say nothing about that, therefore you'll deny it. And nowadays people who deny the bible are considered different, because they choose not to blindly believe in a book, THAT HAS NO SOLID PROOF. Consider truthful what you want, but god wouldn't be known for everyone like he is now if he would have been real. The bible would be kept as a secret and not spread all over the world. Everything that goes around god would be known only for the head of the world, not the slaves ( us ).

[EWB]

Okay, so we can't say what in history is real and what is not, but still you know for sure that Jesus had a child? Once again you're contradicting yourself.

Speaking about solid proofs, isn't Carbon-14 tests a valid proof? Or remains from some of the buildings mentioned in the Bible? Or the pyramids in Egypt which was build by jewish slaves, who is also mentioned in the Bible? They can be viewed from space but according to your accusations they aren't a valid proof? What about ancient stone tablets found in Iraq where almost the exact same story about the creation of the world as the one in the Bible is written?

[Sk1pper]

Okay, so we can't say what in history is real and what is not, but still you know for sure that Jesus had a child? Once again you're contradicting yourself.

Speaking about solid proofs, isn't Carbon-14 tests a valid proof? Or remains from some of the buildings mentioned in the Bible? Or the pyramids in Egypt which was build by jewish slaves, who is also mentioned in the Bible? They can be viewed from space but according to your accusations they aren't a valid proof? What about ancient stone tablets found in Iraq where almost the exact same story about the creation of the world as the one in the Bible is written?

What I said about Jesus was a comparison of your facts and mine... I didn't say that's 100% true in my opinion..
If you believe that the pyramids were built by slaves your a fool ( no offence ). I can disprove that and by sources that you should find true. You see, there are was a Greek who wrote the original history of Egypt. Now, egyptologists rely on 3 other histories of Egypt that had been written by other egyptologists and they were written BASED on the history written by the Greek. So all 3 of them are different and cannot be considered as truth, because all 3 are different. Now I'll prove that every history of Egypt is false.
You see they say that people of Egypt built pyramids 20 years and worked 7 days a week for x hours a day ( I don't remembed how many hours ). But then they also say that they had to do farming 9 months of the year, so they had only 3 full months left for the building of the pyramids. And after calculating you realise that they had to place 1/2 ton blocks in mathematicaly confirmed locations every 1/2 seconds. Sounds real. They you ask, how did they put 1/2 ton blocks, they say " they carried them on branches". But there are no trees in Egypt. Oh they sailed them from Europe. Where did they go now then? They burned them. Once you start digging deeper into the story that is considered real, you pull out the story and realise that either the whole history of Egypt is a lie or them who built the pyramids were not human.
That is just about the pyramids, I'm sure it is possible to dig even deeper in every single legend that's considered as holy truth. But believe in what you want, I'm tired of writing worthless chit. But hey, at least I'm having a better discussion than with Juice, I'd have to thank you for that.

[Eagle]

tl;dr - Bleh, boooooring.

[EWB]

What I said about Jesus was a comparison of your facts and mine... I didn't say that's 100% true in my opinion..
If you believe that the pyramids were built by slaves your a fool ( no offence ). I can disprove that and by sources that you should find true. You see, there are was a Greek who wrote the original history of Egypt. Now, egyptologists rely on 3 other histories of Egypt that had been written by other egyptologists and they were written BASED on the history written by the Greek. So all 3 of them are different and cannot be considered as truth, because all 3 are different. Now I'll prove that every history of Egypt is false.
You see they say that people of Egypt built pyramids 20 years and worked 7 days a week for x hours a day ( I don't remembed how many hours ). But then they also say that they had to do farming 9 months of the year, so they had only 3 full months left for the building of the pyramids. And after calculating you realise that they had to place 1/2 ton blocks in mathematicaly confirmed locations every 1/2 seconds. Sounds real. They you ask, how did they put 1/2 ton blocks, they say " they carried them on branches". But there are no trees in Egypt. Oh they sailed them from Europe. Where did they go now then? They burned them. Once you start digging deeper into the story that is considered real, you pull out the story and realise that either the whole history of Egypt is a lie or them who built the pyramids were not human.
That is just about the pyramids, I'm sure it is possible to dig even deeper in every single legend that's considered as holy truth. But believe in what you want, I'm tired of writing worthless chit. But hey, at least I'm having a better discussion than with Juice, I'd have to thank you for that.

The Pyramids in Egypt has nothing to do with a so-called "holy truth." They're not related to the Bible or Cristianity in any way, except from the fact that those Jewish slaves mentioned in the Bible helped building the Pyramids, whether you believe it or not. If you think these Pyramids were build later on, then how come 2000 year pharaohs is buried within them? And the Pyramids were also a part of the original 7 world wonders which were chosen at least thousand ago as well, but how could they be a part of that list if they didn't exist at that time?

[Sk1pper]

What I said about Jesus was a comparison of your facts and mine... I didn't say that's 100% true in my opinion..
If you believe that the pyramids were built by slaves your a fool ( no offence ). I can disprove that and by sources that you should find true. You see, there are was a Greek who wrote the original history of Egypt. Now, egyptologists rely on 3 other histories of Egypt that had been written by other egyptologists and they were written BASED on the history written by the Greek. So all 3 of them are different and cannot be considered as truth, because all 3 are different. Now I'll prove that every history of Egypt is false.
You see they say that people of Egypt built pyramids 20 years and worked 7 days a week for x hours a day ( I don't remembed how many hours ). But then they also say that they had to do farming 9 months of the year, so they had only 3 full months left for the building of the pyramids. And after calculating you realise that they had to place 1/2 ton blocks in mathematicaly confirmed locations every 1/2 seconds. Sounds real. They you ask, how did they put 1/2 ton blocks, they say " they carried them on branches". But there are no trees in Egypt. Oh they sailed them from Europe. Where did they go now then? They burned them. Once you start digging deeper into the story that is considered real, you pull out the story and realise that either the whole history of Egypt is a lie or them who built the pyramids were not human.
That is just about the pyramids, I'm sure it is possible to dig even deeper in every single legend that's considered as holy truth. But believe in what you want, I'm tired of writing worthless chit. But hey, at least I'm having a better discussion than with Juice, I'd have to thank you for that.

The Pyramids in Egypt has nothing to do with a so-called "holy truth." They're not related to the Bible or Cristianity in any way, except from the fact that those Jewish slaves mentioned in the Bible helped building the Pyramids, whether you believe it or not. If you think these Pyramids were build later on, then how come 2000 year pharaohs is buried within them? And the Pyramids were also a part of the original 7 world wonders which were chosen at least thousand ago as well, but how could they be a part of that list if they didn't exist at that time?

Hey, who said they didn't exist 2000 years ago? I didn't. I just said that they weren't built by Egyptians and I denied that, by using everything that egyptologists say. And since the bible mention slaves somehow helping, I guess that's straight denial of the bible. You don't expect something true in it and something false. I don't think that's the way it's written. Everything in it is false.

[killdahobo99]

Juice has said things in the past making me believe Illuminati posts homosexual symbols. Catholic priests are known for raping boys. Illuminati = Homosexual, Catholic priests = Homosexual.

Also, heres another reason why I don't believe in religion. Do your research on Christianity and Hinduism, 2 religions who don't seem similar whatsoever to anyone who doesn't know anything in depth about them. After doing your research you'll discover that Hinduism is older then Christianity, and you'll also discover that both religions have different religious figures but the religious figures seem to have done similar things.

Why is it that Christianity came after Hinduism and has events that take place in Hindu texts in Christian texts? Doesn't it make you think they were for some reason stolen off and rewritten to be something else? Hinduism is considered to be one of the oldest religions in the world but who knows if thats true? It is believed that there were many other religions that were followed before the main ones came about (Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism). So what if the writer of Hinduism also stole off an older religion?

To sum it up, all of these religion wars that occur, or all these idiotic people who claim "There is only one god, one savior" blahblahblah are wrong because it seems as if religions stole ideas off each other to control a different group of people. Like Skipper said, religion is too control. The biggest form of control on this planet right now is religion.

[EWB]

What I said about Jesus was a comparison of your facts and mine... I didn't say that's 100% true in my opinion..
If you believe that the pyramids were built by slaves your a fool ( no offence ). I can disprove that and by sources that you should find true. You see, there are was a Greek who wrote the original history of Egypt. Now, egyptologists rely on 3 other histories of Egypt that had been written by other egyptologists and they were written BASED on the history written by the Greek. So all 3 of them are different and cannot be considered as truth, because all 3 are different. Now I'll prove that every history of Egypt is false.
You see they say that people of Egypt built pyramids 20 years and worked 7 days a week for x hours a day ( I don't remembed how many hours ). But then they also say that they had to do farming 9 months of the year, so they had only 3 full months left for the building of the pyramids. And after calculating you realise that they had to place 1/2 ton blocks in mathematicaly confirmed locations every 1/2 seconds. Sounds real. They you ask, how did they put 1/2 ton blocks, they say " they carried them on branches". But there are no trees in Egypt. Oh they sailed them from Europe. Where did they go now then? They burned them. Once you start digging deeper into the story that is considered real, you pull out the story and realise that either the whole history of Egypt is a lie or them who built the pyramids were not human.
That is just about the pyramids, I'm sure it is possible to dig even deeper in every single legend that's considered as holy truth. But believe in what you want, I'm tired of writing worthless chit. But hey, at least I'm having a better discussion than with Juice, I'd have to thank you for that.

The Pyramids in Egypt has nothing to do with a so-called "holy truth." They're not related to the Bible or Cristianity in any way, except from the fact that those Jewish slaves mentioned in the Bible helped building the Pyramids, whether you believe it or not. If you think these Pyramids were build later on, then how come 2000 year pharaohs is buried within them? And the Pyramids were also a part of the original 7 world wonders which were chosen at least thousand ago as well, but how could they be a part of that list if they didn't exist at that time?

Hey, who said they didn't exist 2000 years ago? I didn't. I just said that they weren't built by Egyptians and I denied that, by using everything that egyptologists say. And since the bible mention slaves somehow helping, I guess that's straight denial of the bible. You don't expect something true in it and something false. I don't think that's the way it's written. Everything in it is false.

So why are you arguing against what I said about that the Jewish slaves in Egypt build those Pyramids, when you seem to agree that they weren't build by Egyptians? And who says that egyptologists are right? Illuminati may as well have payed them to say something that goes against the Bible to undermine it.

And Hobo: There is only one God, but there's different ways to believe in him and different views of him - the different religions. And it is a known fact that some religions remind of each other. Christianity, Judaism and Islam reminds a lot of each other. The Old Testament in the Bible exists in Judaism and Islam as well, and a lot of the Prophets are the same. Is that a coincidence or is it because it actually is a real story? Furthermore, you see a lot of names in the Bible that reminds of each other, but you don't normally see a book where the names are so alike, do you?

[Sk1pper]

Pyramids were not built by Egyptian people and believing that they did is stupid! There is no waaay people could have built such humongous buildings. You forgot to mention that the pyramids consist of 1/2 ton blocks, that the pyramids are geometricaly and mathematicaly accurate, that the shafts built inside are very deep and EXACTLY 90 degrees down, that they are somehow equal to the stars ETC ETC. There are much more facts about pyramids that make people UNABLE to build them. I'm sure that the government is hiding something that they have found inside, something like ancient technology, which is obviously 100 times better than the current we have. Think about it.

[EWB]

Pyramids were not built by Egyptian people and believing that they did is stupid! There is no waaay people could have built such humongous buildings. You forgot to mention that the pyramids consist of 1/2 ton blocks, that the pyramids are geometricaly and mathematicaly accurate, that the shafts built inside are very deep and EXACTLY 90 degrees down, that they are somehow equal to the stars ETC ETC. There are much more facts about pyramids that make people UNABLE to build them. I'm sure that the government is hiding something that they have found inside, something like ancient technology, which is obviously 100 times better than the current we have. Think about it.

The ancient greek and egypts produced a lot of things that seems inhuman to construct, but they had simple methods. I saw a programme on Discovery recently where they moved some of the heavy blocks (30 tons) inside the Pyramids using simple lifting aggregates they build with stuff like stone and tree, so it's far from impossible. And that ancient technology you're talking about might have been burned down with the library in Alexandria where all the ancient knowledge where stored. You would have thought of that long time ago if you had your historical knowledge correct.