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[Jacko]

Let's imagine that I tell you the following story:

There is a man who lives at the North Pole.
He lives there with his wife and a bunch of elves.
During the year, he and the elves build toys.
Then, on Christmas Eve, he loads up a sack with all the toys.
He puts the sack in his sleigh.
He hitches up eight (or possibly nine) flying reindeer.
He then flies from house to house, landing on the rooftops of each one.
He gets out with his sack and climbs down the chimney.
He leaves toys for the children of the household.
He climbs back up the chimney, gets back in his sleigh, and flies to the next house.
He does this all around the world in one night.
Then he flies back to the North Pole to repeat the cycle next year.

This, of course, is the story of Santa Claus.

But let's say that I am an adult, and I am your friend, and I reveal to you that I believe that this story is true. I believe it with all my heart. And I try to talk about it with you and convert you to believe it as I do.

What would you think of me? You would think that I am delusional, and rightly so.

Why do you think that I am delusional? It is because you know that Santa is imaginary. The story is a total fairy tale. No matter how much I talk to you about Santa, you are not going to believe that Santa is real. Flying reindeer, for example, are make-believe. The dictionary defines delusion as, "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence." That definition fits perfectly.

Since you are my friend, you might try to help me realize that my belief in Santa is a delusion. The way that you would try to do that is by asking me some questions. For example, you might say to me:

"But how can the sleigh carry enough toys for everyone in the world?" I say to you that the sleigh is magical. It has the ability to do this intrinsically.

"How does Santa get into houses and apartments that don't have chimneys?" I say that Santa can make chimneys appear, as shown to all of us in the movie The Santa Clause.

"How does Santa get down the chimney if there's a fire in the fireplace?" I say that Santa has a special flame-resistant suit, and it cleans itself too.

"Why doesn't the security system detect Santa?" Santa is invisible to security systems.

"How can Santa travel fast enough to visit every child in one night?" Santa is timeless.

"How can Santa know whether every child has been bad or good?" Santa is omniscient.

"Why are the toys distributed so unevenly? Why does Santa deliver more toys to rich kids, even if they are bad, than he ever gives to poor kids?" There is no way for us to understand the mysteries of Santa because we are mere mortals, but Santa has his reasons. For example, perhaps poor children would be unable to handle a flood of expensive electronic toys. How would they afford the batteries? So Santa spares them this burden.

These are all quite logical questions that you have asked. I have answered all of them for you. I am wondering why you can't see what I see, and you are wondering how I can be so insane.

Why didn't my answers satisfy you? Why do you still know that I am delusional? It is because my answers have done nothing but confirm your assessment. My answers are ridiculous. In order to answer your questions, I invented, completely out of thin air, a magical sleigh, a magical self-cleaning suit, magical chimneys, "timelessness" and magical invisibility. You don't believe my answers because you know that I am making this stuff up. The invalidating evidence is voluminous.

[i.am.Juice]

You don't get it do you. I proved you wrong, now you're saying that "good isn't enough". If those imaginary friends exist, they by your words god wants people to be good ( be good, do good, wish good, regret doing bad ) and the devil wants people to be bad ( do bad, be bad, wish bad, regret doing good ). So a person who doesn't believe in god cannot be good. That's BULL-SHIT. What if you met a person and you see him do great things, help others, you chat with him and see only good things in him. But at the end of the day you ask him: hey, do you believe in god? He says no. Then suddenly all of the nice things you seen disappear and mean nothing to you, you just see him as a devil worshipper. Living like that and treating others like that sucks , don't it.

you don't get it, there is no good person. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.
which means WE ALL SIN!!!!. ALL HUMANS SIN.. If you not asking
God for forgiveness you have SIN in your heart. You have NOT been
forgiven. Therefore you aren't good. because you arent perfect.
You are human, You do bad things, you do good things. Doesn't matter
if you do more good than bad, YOU STILL DO BAD/SINFUL things.
And when I read your posts things like "I proved you wrong"
show me what you here for. You not here for truth. You here trying
to win what you think is a argument. Its not.. because 1 +1 = 2
rather you know that or not its true. because you deny it
doesn't change the fact. Name me that good guy I'm still waiting.

[Sk1pper]

You don't get it do you. I proved you wrong, now you're saying that "good isn't enough". If those imaginary friends exist, they by your words god wants people to be good ( be good, do good, wish good, regret doing bad ) and the devil wants people to be bad ( do bad, be bad, wish bad, regret doing good ). So a person who doesn't believe in god cannot be good. That's BULL-SHIT. What if you met a person and you see him do great things, help others, you chat with him and see only good things in him. But at the end of the day you ask him: hey, do you believe in god? He says no. Then suddenly all of the nice things you seen disappear and mean nothing to you, you just see him as a devil worshipper. Living like that and treating others like that sucks , don't it.

you don't get it, there is no good person. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.
which means WE ALL SIN!!!!. ALL HUMANS SIN.. If you not asking
God for forgiveness you have SIN in your heart. You have NOT been
forgiven. Therefore you aren't good. because you arent perfect.
You are human, You do bad things, you do good things. Doesn't matter
if you do more good than bad, YOU STILL DO BAD/SINFUL things.
And when I read your posts things like "I proved you wrong"
show me what you here for. You not here for truth. You here trying
to win what you think is a argument. Its not.. because 1 +1 = 2
rather you know that or not its true. because you deny it
doesn't change the fact. Name me that good guy I'm still waiting.

What's the point of naming a good person i know if you don't know who is he/her?

there is no good person

So all people are bad. Where's your common sense, man?

If those imaginary friends exist, they by your words god wants people to be good ( be good, do good, wish good, regret doing bad ) and the devil wants people to be bad ( do bad, be bad, wish bad, regret doing good ).

[Sk1pper]

The point is not asking for forgiveness or not, the point is doing good.I do not care what others think about my actions, I do not care if I'll get closer to god or not, because he doesn't exist, I do not care what you say about me because you rely on the bible, which is a fairytale. What I care about is that my actions will have a good outcome and that is all that matters. If devil would exist, he would make people do bad things and only bad things, atheists on the other hand are not always bad, they can be as good as any christian or even better. You cannot deny that simply because god tells you something else, you haven't seen all people, you haven't talked to them, all you can say is that if a person doesn't believe in god he has demons in him, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard and you will NEVER win any discussion with that argument. NEVER.

[Sk1pper]

EVER.

[i.am.Juice]

Man have you ever been in love with a girl?

If not I'll tell you shes closer to you than a best
friend of even your own mother!! You trust her
and you tell her EVERYTHING. She knows more
about you than ANY other person. And I'll tell
you this. Even the chick you're in love with,
you will NOT tell her EVERYTHING. Humans
keep secrets. Mostly because certain subjects
are irrelevant to tell people. Basically the only
example you could give is yourself, because
you only know everything about yourself.
You know all your deep dark secrets.
You know all the bad things you shouldn't have
done but you did it anyway and didn't get caught.

You can't ever name me a person you know 100%
of there life and can say they are good or perfect.
So just forget it. That person doesn't exist.

If devil would exist, he would make people do bad things and only bad things, atheists on the other hand are not always bad, they can be as good as any christian or even better.

I tried to cut as much ignorance off that quote as I could.
And this part is even more stupid. Now you're telling me
"if the devil was real" what his mind set and actions would
be. Come on now who are you to say what the devil would
be doing? You don't even believe in him how can you have
an OPINION on what he'd be like? This is sad seeing your
post. President Obama is a free mason and hes a good
guy on the surface. many love him a lot... But when he
shuts his door none of us know what/who he does.

Now you try to compare a Christian and a Atheist.
And you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Neither of
them are "good" and they sure not Perfect because
they are HUMANS and we ALL make mistakes and
will continue to make mistakes. Some just make
worse mistakes than others. Religion or none at
doesn't make a person a perfect person. And you
say you don't care what people think about you so its
obvious in real life you don't try to be a good person.
You can lie here, but you said it 3 times, YOU DON'T CARE...

[Sk1pper]

Man have you ever been in love with a girl?
Yes I have.
If not I'll tell you shes closer to you than a best
friend of even your own mother!! You trust her
and you tell her EVERYTHING. She knows more
about you than ANY other person. And I'll tell
you this. Even the chick you're in love with,
you will NOT tell her EVERYTHING. Humans
keep secrets. Mostly because certain subjects
are irrelevant to tell people. Basically the only
example you could give is yourself, because
you only know everything about yourself.
You know all your deep dark secrets.
You know all the bad things you shouldn't have
done but you did it anyway and didn't get caught.

You can't ever name me a person you know 100%
of there life and can say they are good or perfect.
So just forget it. That person doesn't exist.

If devil would exist, he would make people do bad things and only bad things, atheists on the other hand are not always bad, they can be as good as any christian or even better.

I tried to cut as much ignorance off that quote as I could.
And this part is even more stupid. Now you're telling me
"if the devil was real" what his mind set and actions would
be. Come on now who are you to say what the devil would
be doing? You don't even believe in him how can you have
an OPINION on what he'd be like?
How can you even say that? You posted millions of things that the Illuminati do. The symbolism, you believe it is the devil's work, it brainwashes people. Now why should it be hard for me to imagine what the devil would do?
This is sad seeing your post.
Believe me your posts contain such bs but I try to keep calm and not insult you. I think I'm doing good.
President Obama is a free mason and hes a good
guy on the surface. many love him a lot... But when he
shuts his door none of us know what/who he does.

Now you try to compare a Christian and a Atheist.
And you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Neither of
them are "good" and they sure not Perfect because
they are HUMANS and we ALL make mistakes and
will continue to make mistakes. Some just make
worse mistakes than others.
Please... I starting to think that you are dumb... *deep breath* PEOPLE CAN BE GOOD.
I have friends that I know for a long time and I would help them if anything went wrong, I wouldn't run like a pussy if they would get in a fight with a bunch of guys with knives, I would help them if they would get in some kind of trouble and so on... A person can be good if he doesn't believe in god. You're so limiting the word "good" that it makes me sick. You claim that there is no good people in this world, just because all of us sin and we are not perfect. PEOPLE CAN BE GOOD, ANYONE CAN BE GOOD.
Religion or none at
doesn't make a person a perfect person. And you
say you don't care what people think about you so its
obvious in real life you don't try to be a good person.
You think so because I don't care? And I hear this from a 24 year old? REALLY NOW? Why should I care what others think? They might fool me and give me false info because they are jealous or wish me bad, they can show me the wrong way. I have a brain and I use it wisely, I will not pay attention to people who don't like my hair, my clothes, what I do or how I look. I will live for myself and people who love and like me.
You can lie here, but you said it 3 times, YOU DON'T CARE...

[i.am.Juice]

1. If you've been in love before you understand what I mean.
Did you tell her every single good/bad/weird/story and detail about yourself?
I didnt say "some" of them. don't lie either.


2. You have no opinion on the devil because you don't know him personally [or do you?]
you don't even believe he exists so your conclusion of who is, is irrelevant.


3. I thought you said nearly perfect, so now for defense of being wrong
you have now agreed on the word "good" lol looking for backup eh?
Well thats all nice that you'll help your friends but what about that
homeless man who hasn't ate in 3 days asks for money and you
kept walking like you hard of hearing? Being good to people you
know is easy because you want to be accepted by them.
Being nice to friends is unimpressive and irrelevant.
name me a "good person I'm still waiting. Don't tell me you
cant name me even one good person I know. lol ofc you can't.
So I won't hold you to that, Its an impossible task unless you
say Jesus who was good and perfect, theres no other.

4. lol love bringing my age up, yes I'm 24.
If I was bragging I'd always bring my age up.
I Have more years of experience on this world
than you do. I've been to more places and seen
more things than you have on this world.
Your experience is limited on this earth, you just
hearing about the school now and I graduated.
This is clear to me so I try to be patient when
I tell you things because there is a maturity gap.
Theres a level of experience associated with my
beliefs. Years and years of knowing about this.

When I started studying some of the things
I was told in the Holy Bible it all adds up.
See you hear on a utube vid the bible was
rewritten "so it must not be true". Well go get
me that original Bible and lets compare it.
Oh thats right YOU CANT. and they know
that so they put that crazy idea in your head.
And because of whats already deep inside you,
you want to hear something like that and when
you do your misinformed mind accepts it as truth.
Only because you feel it defends your original opinion.
Like any one who believed a LIE.

[Sk1pper]

1. I didn't tell her every single detail about myself and I don't see it as a must. Some things must be kept inside of you because sometimes telling your secrets is not necessary, just for your own good. You don't want to make the other person worried or you don't want her to know, it might be embarassing, scary, weird, wrong, not right, unneeded for others to know. Everyone has their own secrets.

2. You have an opinion about the devil, because the bible told you. You shared your opinion about the devil with us and now I am telling it back to you and you cannot accept it? Really? How hard is it understand that if there would be a god, he would be good and make people do good things just for the good of the world, and the devil - the opposite!

3. By saying perfect I meant a person who is willing to do good and regerts his bad actions. Unfortunately my "perfect" was not good enough for you so I brought up "good". And apparently by your words there is no good in this world only because we all sin, yea of course, you put the good things aside and make up this new fact "there are no good people". Funny.
Only the bible tells you that jesus was a perfect man who lived thousands of years ago, that makes me hard to believe that it is true.

4. What kind of experience do you need in a discussion like this? The only thing you do is bring up the bible which is a false source of information and definately not a history source of info. You bring up the bible as a back up of your arguments, I bring up atheistic ideas as a backup. You simply cannot take bible as a serious back up just because it relys on god and ONLY him. Every questions you get is answered by "it's god's job, he's the reason everything is like this" etc. That is too easy, it is waaaaaay to obvious he is made up, how can't you see that god is created by people to control the whole humanity.

[i.am.Juice]

1. I didn't tell her every single detail about myself and I don't see it as a must. Some things must be kept inside of you because sometimes telling your secrets is not necessary, just for your own good. You don't want to make the other person worried or you don't want her to know, it might be embarassing, scary, weird, wrong, not right, unneeded for others to know. Everyone has their own secrets.


So even the one you loved more than ANYONE on earth still didn't know 100% about you.
So dont tell me you know any good/perfect people because you proved you are NOT.
And you proved no one knows 100% about anyone and this is why God says don't judge.
God is the only judge. I know its hard to hear that you could be living a better life
and so could I and everyone here on earth. No human is perfect so theres room for
improvement in all of us and his name is Jesus.


2. You have an opinion about the devil, because the bible told you. You shared your opinion about the devil with us and now I am telling it back to you and you cannot accept it? Really? How hard is it understand that if there would be a god, he would be good and make people do good things just for the good of the world, and the devil - the opposite!

I have NOT shared my opinion of the devil but I will now. mixed with facts.

The devil is smarter than us simple minded humans.
The devil is a liar. The devil is sneaky. Its where the term "sneaky snake"
came from. The devil is manipulative and he controls humans in masses
to make masses follow them and go to hell with them. The devil is tricky.
The devil is a great actor and even shows himself as a beautiful creature.
He even manipulate our dreams giving most sex dreams, or wet dreams.
Hes the original troll. The devil is sick and perverted. he is the original
homosexual and he posses a penis and a vagina, and female breast.
The devil is able to speak to us in low tones we sometimes associate
with ourselves "thinking".. but next time you get an idea think is this
a good idea, or an evil one? I was always told look before you leap.
meaning before you make a choice to do something, think about it.



3. By saying perfect I meant a person who is willing to do good and regerts his bad actions. Unfortunately my "perfect" was not good enough for you so I brought up "good". And apparently by your words there is no good in this world only because we all sin, yea of course, you put the good things aside and make up this new fact "there are no good people". Funny.
Only the bible tells you that jesus was a perfect man who lived thousands of years ago, that makes me hard to believe that it is true.

By saying perfect you showed you don't know the meaning.
Perfect people don't make mistakes EVER. They regret nothing.
Perfect people do everything right and have never done wrong.
never said anything wrong, never looked at anyone wrong.
That perfect person would be considered God. Considered to
be that perfect specimen of a human. They would be pure of
sin and pure of sinful thoughts. This is what freemasons
claim to be. Which is why they consider themselves as gods.
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4. What kind of experience do you need in a discussion like this? The only thing you do is bring up the bible which is a false source of information and definately not a history source of info. You bring up the bible as a back up of your arguments, I bring up atheistic ideas as a backup. You simply cannot take bible as a serious back up just because it relys on god and ONLY him. Every questions you get is answered by "it's god's job, he's the reason everything is like this" etc. That is too easy, it is waaaaaay to obvious he is made up, how can't you see that god is created by people to control the whole humanity.

Have you read the bible? have you studied the bible?
Or are you simply going off what the scientist tell you?
Prove to me with YOUR evidence the Holy Bible was
changed. Why is God against the illuminati? Why he
warn us of them and when you look YOU SEE THEM!
Why if its to help them control us is it against them?
Why do you have a "no nati" avatar? if theres no devil
and no God how are they harming anyone? right?
this is YOUR LOGIC. If the nati rule countries so what!!
If its no gods then why are you against them?
What have they done to make you not like them?
They gave you all your tv shows, all your music.
They gave you GTA SAN ANDREAS. they gave you
MONEY!! They gave you LANGUAGE, Jewelry.
Drugs and alcohol, fancy clothes and CARS.
they gave you computers and many games.
They gave you satanic holidays you get presents for.
They gave you another one you get candy for.
they gave you everything you BELIEVE
is worth anything!!

God gave you a SOUL, What you do with that is on YOU.