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Zayed

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Post by Zayed » June 7, 2012, 3:06 pm
These all hadiths are after that options ( which i told you earlier)

Quran says before fighting (jihad) you must put 3 options infornt .

1) Pay jizya
2) Accept Islam/ Negotiate
3) Fight.


after these 2 option then comes fighting, Islam basically defends not attacks. What has American done in Iraq /palistine / Iran etc. DID WE FIGHT ? NO THEY STARTED IT. CHRISTIANS
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Zayed

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Post by Zayed » June 7, 2012, 3:15 pm
And stop quoting half hadiths.
Quran says whoever becomes false prophet kill him. whoever gives hardship to a muslim you kill him.
As i said earlier that FIGHTING IS THE LAST OPTION A MUSLIM HAS.

as you mentioned these verses, Quran elaborate it in other verses. SO BEFORE Mentioning any verse, YOU MUST SEARCH THE RELATIVE VERSES. IT WILL THAN COMPLETE THE VERSE.

Like quran says Pray for Allah. Now a muslim doesnt know how he has to Pray or how many times he has to pray. Holy Prophet mentioned it that How many times a muslim has to pray or how he has to pray.


If everything's WHOLE INFORMATION WAS TO BE WRITTEN IN QURAN, THE QURAN WOULD HAVE BEEN ALOT BIGGER. SO HOLY PROOHET'S SAYINGS AND DOINGS elaborate these verses further
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Post by smtalha » June 7, 2012, 3:18 pm
yes zayed is right and i was also going to tell you that some hadiths are incomplete.like:
4:89 kill those who reject islam
47:35 so be not weak and ask not for peace while you are having the upper hand
urge the believers to fight

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Post by Moose » June 7, 2012, 3:58 pm
What in the world happened here lol, I only wanted a simple answer..
Edit: Which I still haven't gotten, by the way.

Juice, please answer this, is Jesus God? Yes or no.
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Juice.

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Post by Juice. » June 7, 2012, 4:05 pm
Zayed wrote:
These all hadiths are after that options ( which i told you earlier)

Quran says before fighting (jihad) you must put 3 options infornt .

1) Pay jizya
2) Accept Islam/ Negotiate
3) Fight.


after these 2 option then comes fighting, Islam basically defends not attacks. What has American done in Iraq /palistine / Iran etc. DID WE FIGHT ? NO THEY STARTED IT. CHRISTIANS
Actually our USA president says the US is a Muslim country. Christians don't support the war.
Your muslim teachers are just telling you that so you hate Christians thats all, its a lie though.

watch what obama says,



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYL7gboYogo[/youtube]


and take note how the Islam flag hangs down perfect for the upside down pentagram of the devil.
Coincidence? Only to a fool.
Oh, Now everybody want to copy, right?
It's because Juice is the blueprint.
I bet you think I want your 2 cents.

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Post by Buba » June 7, 2012, 4:09 pm
Seriously guys, stop with the crap up. This is a religion beliefs, no one forced you to believe in Allah or Jesus. Your fights here on this forum is harash for Christians (including myself) and Muslims. Stop with the shit up already.
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Juice.

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Post by Juice. » June 7, 2012, 4:11 pm
smtalha wrote:
yes zayed is right and i was also going to tell you that some hadiths are incomplete.like:
4:89 kill those who reject islam
47:35 so be not weak and ask not for peace while you are having the upper hand
urge the believers to fight

ok thats fair, now respond to the rest of them.


@Buba its not a fight its a tough discussion that can get heated at times.
Thats why the rule says if you can't handle it please leave out.
Oh, Now everybody want to copy, right?
It's because Juice is the blueprint.
I bet you think I want your 2 cents.

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Post by Moose » June 7, 2012, 4:12 pm
Buba wrote:
Seriously guys, stop with the crap up. This is a religion beliefs, no one forced you to believe in Allah or Jesus. Your fights here on this forum is harash for Christians (including myself) and Muslims. Stop with the shit up already.
Yeah, it's basically turning into Islam vs Christianity, My god vs your god and all that, I'm gonna retire from this section, I just want a simple answer from Juice.
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Post by Moose » June 7, 2012, 4:12 pm
Moose wrote:
I want to ask you some questions that require some VERY SIMPLE ANSWERS. PLEASE, I don't want a paragraph of explanation and a dozen pictures from google. I just want a straight, direct answer.



Juice, do you believe that Jesus is God? (YES/NO)
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Buba

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Post by Buba » June 7, 2012, 4:13 pm
Juice. wrote:
smtalha wrote:
yes zayed is right and i was also going to tell you that some hadiths are incomplete.like:
4:89 kill those who reject islam
47:35 so be not weak and ask not for peace while you are having the upper hand
urge the believers to fight

ok thats fair, now respond to the rest of them.


@Buba its not a fight its a tough discussion that can get heated at times.
Thats why the rule says if you can't handle it please leave out.
Yea yea, continue with your discussions lmao. This is going out of control.
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