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Post by iMax » June 8, 2012, 6:47 pm
Moose,
Jesus did not claim he was God or that he was equal to God. Read John 14:28- You heard that I said to you i am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. Jesus stated he is going to the Father (God) not to himself and the Father is greater than he is.As explained Jesus as God in egg example,It goes God,Jesus and Holy spirit.Jesus was God but not in that way...I'm not sure how to explain it to you...Next question? :)

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Post by Reda » June 8, 2012, 6:53 pm
[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:
Moose,
Jesus did not claim he was God or that he was equal to God. Read John 14:28- You heard that I said to you i am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. Jesus stated he is going to the Father (God) not to himself and the Father is greater than he is.As explained Jesus as God in egg example,It goes God,Jesus and Holy spirit.Jesus was God but not in that way...I'm not sure how to explain it to you...Next question? :)
I wish Juice was like you, you type calm and normal. juice is heavy and makeing Jests from an religion and call their religion satanic.
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Post by Moose » June 8, 2012, 6:57 pm
[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:
Moose,
Jesus did not claim he was God or that he was equal to God. Read John 14:28- You heard that I said to you i am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. Jesus stated he is going to the Father (God) not to himself and the Father is greater than he is.As explained Jesus as God in egg example,It goes God,Jesus and Holy spirit.Jesus was God but not in that way...I'm not sure how to explain it to you...Next question? :)
Well that's it, isn't it? Jesus didn't claim he was God, but why do all Christians worship him as God then? Why are they mislead? Why do they worship a mortal man instead of worshipping his maker, or their maker?

How was he God but not in that way? He's God but he's not? I don't understand.

And I agree with Reda, I feel I can actually have a calm, civilized conversation with you.
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Post by iMax » June 8, 2012, 7:00 pm
Moose wrote:
[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:
Moose,
Jesus did not claim he was God or that he was equal to God. Read John 14:28- You heard that I said to you i am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. Jesus stated he is going to the Father (God) not to himself and the Father is greater than he is.As explained Jesus as God in egg example,It goes God,Jesus and Holy spirit.Jesus was God but not in that way...I'm not sure how to explain it to you...Next question? :)
Well that's it, isn't it? Jesus didn't claim he was God, but why do all Christians worship him as God then? Why are they mislead? Why do they worship a mortal man instead of worshipping his maker, or their maker?

How was he God but not in that way? He's God but he's not? I don't understand.

And I agree with Reda, I feel I can actually have a calm, civilized conversation with you.
Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death

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Post by Moose » June 8, 2012, 7:08 pm
In John 10:30 he says that he and the father are one, but in John 14:28 he says that the father is greater than he is.. don't you see the contradiction? The inconsistancy?

Islam says that Jesus was never crucified, it all makes sense now. I understand.
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' Matthew 7:21-23
That's it! On the Day of Judgement, Jesus will descend again, and he will cast away the people who consider him to be God.. it's all there man, everything is here, God left everything here, we just need to put all the pieces together. I feel so enlightened, so happy right now. That 0.0001% of doubt that the devil had put in my mind is gone. Thank you iMax, you probably didn't mean to do it, but you pushed me to look into the bible, and I understand now. Everything Islam said was true, and the Bible confirms it.
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Post by iMax » June 8, 2012, 7:12 pm
Moose wrote:
In John 10:30 he says that he and the father are one, but in John 14:28 he says that the father is greater than he is.. don't you see the contradiction? The inconsistancy?

Islam says that Jesus was never crucified, it all makes sense now. I understand.
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' Matthew 7:21-23
That's it! On the Day of Judgement, Jesus will descend again, and he will cast away the people who consider him to be God.. it's all there man, everything is here, God left everything here, we just need to put all the pieces together. I feel so enlightened, so happy right now. That 0.0001% of doubt that the devil had put in my mind is gone. Thank you iMax, you probably didn't mean to do it, but you pushed me to look into the bible, and I understand now. Everything Islam said was true, and the Bible confirms it.
Oh my God did I just make you believe in God?If yes then I FEEL MOTHERFUCKING HAPPY NOW!!!!!!! :D :D

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Post by Moose » June 8, 2012, 7:16 pm
[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:
Moose wrote:
In John 10:30 he says that he and the father are one, but in John 14:28 he says that the father is greater than he is.. don't you see the contradiction? The inconsistancy?

Islam says that Jesus was never crucified, it all makes sense now. I understand.
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' Matthew 7:21-23
That's it! On the Day of Judgement, Jesus will descend again, and he will cast away the people who consider him to be God.. it's all there man, everything is here, God left everything here, we just need to put all the pieces together. I feel so enlightened, so happy right now. That 0.0001% of doubt that the devil had put in my mind is gone. Thank you iMax, you probably didn't mean to do it, but you pushed me to look into the bible, and I understand now. Everything Islam said was true, and the Bible confirms it.
Oh my God did I just make you believe in God?If yes then I FEEL MOTHERFUCKING HAPPY NOW!!!!!!! :D :D
I've always believed in God mate, always knew that Islam was the answer, always been too lazy to look into it, but what you and Juice said about Jesus made me look into the topic, and it turns out the Quran was right.
I don't believe in God the way you do though (I do believe in Jesus, but only as a prophet, not as a God).
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Post by iMax » June 8, 2012, 7:17 pm
Moose wrote:
I've always believed in God mate, always knew that Islam was the answer, always been too lazy to look into it, but what you and Juice said about Jesus made me look into the topic, and it turns out the Quran was right.
I don't believe in God the way you do though (I do believe in Jesus, but only as a prophet, not as a God).
Oh I always tough you're an atheist :? Well doesn't matter,I still feel like I did something good.God bless you all! :)

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Post by Moose » June 8, 2012, 7:18 pm
[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:
Moose wrote:
I've always believed in God mate, always knew that Islam was the answer, always been too lazy to look into it, but what you and Juice said about Jesus made me look into the topic, and it turns out the Quran was right.
I don't believe in God the way you do though (I do believe in Jesus, but only as a prophet, not as a God).
Oh I always tough you're an atheist :? Well doesn't matter,I still feel like I did something good.God bless you all! :)
Nah man. Don't let my avatar fool you, like it made a fool of Juice. ^^
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Post by iMax » June 8, 2012, 7:21 pm
Moose wrote:
[Lsrcr]iMax wrote:
Moose wrote:
I've always believed in God mate, always knew that Islam was the answer, always been too lazy to look into it, but what you and Juice said about Jesus made me look into the topic, and it turns out the Quran was right.
I don't believe in God the way you do though (I do believe in Jesus, but only as a prophet, not as a God).
Oh I always tough you're an atheist :? Well doesn't matter,I still feel like I did something good.God bless you all! :)
Nah man. Don't let my avatar fool you, like it made a fool of Juice. ^^
Alright now I have question for you.You're muslim or Christian?I mean,what is your religion,who is your God?Just curious :)
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