Let's try again

[Moose]

Eh, you always seem to have an answer for everything don't you
Didn't thoroughly read your explanations, just skimmed, I'll re-check them later, but it

Isn't the trinity about the father, son and holy spirit being co-equal an co-existant? If they're co-equal, shouldn't they all have at least the same knowledge? The father knows the date of judgement but the son doesn't, doesn't that mean that the father is superior?

I am so confused right now, there is just so much contradiction

God created Jesus

But I thought Jesus was God..?

If you read those scriptures with the thought of Jesus being just a prophet it all seems alot simpler, no trinity, no egg shells, no contradiction and confusion, just simplicity, it's alot easier to comprehend, not God creating Jesus who is God's human form and all that..

[Juice.]

Eh, you always seem to have an answer for everything don't you
Didn't thoroughly read your explanations, just skimmed, I'll re-check them later, but it

Isn't the trinity about the father, son and holy spirit being co-equal an co-existant? If they're co-equal, shouldn't they all have at least the same knowledge? The father knows the date of judgement but the son doesn't, doesn't that mean that the father is superior?

I am so confused right now, there is just so much contradiction

quote where it says they are co-equal. You're confused because you're making things up..


With the egg its 3 parts, none are MORE important. They are not equal, The importance is having all 3 parts which = a egg. No part is superior, with out one of those parts you don't have an egg.

God created Jesus

But I thought Jesus was God..?

If you read those scriptures with the thought of Jesus being just a prophet it all seems alot simpler, no trinity, no egg shells, no contradiction and confusion, just simplicity, it's alot easier to comprehend, not God creating Jesus who is God's human form and all that..


Jesus wasn't just a profit so that explains why you are confused, you are reading it with lies in your head blocking you from reading it as him being the human form of God. I'm not confused at all here that's why I have a answer for everything, I actually know what I'm talking about. I don't have any doubts or confusion when I type. Stop looking for simple 1+1 answers. God gave you a mind to use it not to look for simplicity and be lazy with it. If you can't handle the complexity maybe you should leave, go study more and return when you are prepared.

[Moose]

That 0.0001% of doubt

That's too much. If you had any doubt you need to study back on your religion because no doubt should ever cross your mind if you honestly believe what you're typing is true. Any doubt shows your belief in your beliefs is weak and limited which since you called me the devil you say I made you doubt it and you said all I have is google proof which you said wasn't worth any thing YET YOU DOUBTED YOUR RELIGION OVER IT!!!!!! WHY!?!


doubt - To be undecided or skeptical about

you were skeptical about your religion? because of some google proof you say is worth nothing?
That just don't sound right to me, It shows you're defending something you don't 1000% believe.

Lol, I never said you were the devil, I never said that your proof affected me. Like I said before:

I've always believed in God mate, always knew that Islam was the answer, always been too lazy to look into it, but what you and Juice said about Jesus

I've always known that I was walking down the correct path, I was being pointed to the correct direction, but I didn't find my own proof. Thing is, people showed me the Quran, I was amazed by it, people told me about the prophet, also amazed, but when I went back to the Bible and saw that it says basically what Islam says, and that Jesus was going to deny all those who say he's God on the day of judgement.. that feeling of self-satisfaction, that I found something out (sure other people found it out before I did, but it was still news to me) it pushed me over the edge. Any doubts I had were gone.

We are humans, Juice. The devil swore to push mankind off the path of righteousness when he was banished from the mercy of God, it's absolutely natural to have doubts. If anyone tells you they've never, in their whole lifes, had doubts they're lying. When you hear the call to prayer and you feel too lazy to get up and pray and just forget about it, who do you think caused that? When you don't fast ramadan, when you lie, when you cheat, when you steal.. We're just human.

I did fight for something I was 1000% sure of, I've always been certain that Islam is the path.

[Moose]

Funnily enough, the word trinity was never mentioned in the bible. I could only wonder where it came from. Anyway,

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial (Greek: ὁμοούσιοι). Put another way, the three persons of the Trinity are of one being (Greek: οὐσία).[2] The Trinity is considered to be a mystery of Christian faith.[3]

I'm telling you that I'm confused to the fact that the bible considers him as a God, along with 2 other segments or whatever, not due to the fact that he's just a prophet. God gave us logic for a reason, Jesus being God is illogical.

[Juice.]

That 0.0001% of doubt

That's too much. If you had any doubt you need to study back on your religion because no doubt should ever cross your mind if you honestly believe what you're typing is true. Any doubt shows your belief in your beliefs is weak and limited which since you called me the devil you say I made you doubt it and you said all I have is google proof which you said wasn't worth any thing YET YOU DOUBTED YOUR RELIGION OVER IT!!!!!! WHY!?!


doubt - To be undecided or skeptical about

you were skeptical about your religion? because of some google proof you say is worth nothing?
That just don't sound right to me, It shows you're defending something you don't 1000% believe.

Lol, I never said you were the devil, I never said that your proof affected me. Like I said before:

I've always believed in God mate, always knew that Islam was the answer, always been too lazy to look into it, but what you and Juice said about Jesus

I've always known that I was walking down the correct path, I was being pointed to the correct direction, but I didn't find my own proof. Thing is, people showed me the Quran, I was amazed by it, people told me about the prophet, also amazed, but when I went back to the Bible and saw that it says basically what Islam says, and that Jesus was going to deny all those who say he's God on the day of judgement.. that feeling of self-satisfaction, that I found something out (sure other people found it out before I did, but it was still news to me) it pushed me over the edge. Any doubts I had were gone.

We are humans, Juice. The devil swore to push mankind off the path of righteousness when he was banished from the mercy of God, it's absolutely natural to have doubts. If anyone tells you they've never, in their whole lifes, had doubts they're lying. I've never had doubts about the true God. I never had doubts because he's done too much to prove it to me. I only doubted the devil existed, but I learned. When you hear the call to prayer and you feel too lazy to get up and pray and just forget about it, who do you think caused that? When you don't fast ramadan, when you lie, when you cheat, when you steal.. We're just human.

I did fight for something I was 1000% sure of, I've always been certain that Islam is the path.

Then I introduced the real story.

[Juice.]

due to the fact that he's just a prophet. God gave us logic for a reason, Jesus being God is illogical.

Thats fine to say what's logical but atheists don't think me or you are thinking logical while believing in God's at all. They're minds have such a limited amount of truth that they can't even discuss what we are right now.


Jacko claims he's an atheist, even though we all see the horns and the pyramid, and the eye ava but look what he says about God.

Get the hell off the drugs and stop being a pretentious douche bag and being so superstitious.

If you believe this your a complete joke.

Simple and sweet;
There is no heaven
There is no hell
God doesn't exist
And Satan as well

See that? His brain is limited and what is "logic" to him is limited to what he knows. You're logic is based on what you know and learned growing up. You just showed me he was EQUALLY IMPORTANT AS THE HOLY SPIRIT AND GOD.. I don't see Mohamed mentioned here at all.

Think of whats being said man.. Jesus is the only way to the father. OK?

If muslims can get you to discredit & believe Jesus was "just a prophet" then you will never go to Jesus and repent RIGHT? and believe in him as LORD and therefore you will never make it to the father [Heaven] so allah and Mohamed have just FOOLED MUSLIMS. They tricked all of them and aimed them in the direction of hell.. Then when you search up on free mason muslims it all makes sense, that's why I posted it. Maybe I should have broke the truth to you slower but I hate simple posts of denial so I posted so much proof none of you could respectively respond with out having supporting proof like I had.

[Moose]

I'm happy that you've found peace of mind, despite the fact that it's based around contradiction and illogical claims. Meh

I'm not telling you that I believe that Jesus is God, I'm talking based on the info provided by you and the bible.

I use wikipedia and google just because you do lol

But life isn't a pack of brownies Juice, God isn't an egg, God isn't split into three, God is one, he is divine, he's one of a kind. Jesus was murdered by humans (according to you), Jesus died, how can a God die? How can a group of Jews be stronger than your God? Also, what's the point of putting mankind through a test if you're going to die for their sins? Islam tells it more logically and simply, which is why I choose to believe in Islam.

I hope that someday you'll see the truth, despite the fact that you'd deny it even if it was looking you straight in the face.

[Juice.]

I'm happy that you've found peace of mind, despite the fact that it's based around contradiction and illogical claims. Meh

I'm not telling you that I believe that Jesus is God, I'm talking based on the info provided by you and the bible.

I use wikipedia and google just because you do lol


If you don't believe it stay off it, because now you see your mistake and its too late to go back. You read it and asked your question with it and I answered it. Now you know.





But life isn't a pack of brownies Juice Its an analogy of simpler things so you can understand more complex conversations., God isn't an egg, God isn't split into three, A egg isn' split into 3.. a egg is a ONE EGG!!! it just happens to have 3 parts! which make one whole. You learned fractions, stop acting. God is one, he is divine, he's one of a kind. Jesus was murdered by humans (according to you), Jesus died, how can a God die? He died for a reason guy. Without him this earth wouldn't contain the HOLY SPIRIT. When Jesus died it was left here so just how Jesus prayed and got demons out people with it? We believers can also do that and help people with God's power. How can a group of Jewish people be stronger than your God? Before Jesus was born God told mary that Jesus, his son/creation would have to DIE for our sins one day to save the world. He had a mission to do and he did it. Also, what's the point of putting mankind through a test if you're going to die for their sins? His Holy Spirit had to be left on earth to get believers strength against the devil. Islam tells it more logically and simply, which is why I choose to believe in Islam.

Simple isn't always good.

I hope that someday you'll see the truth, despite the fact that you'd deny it even if it was looking you straight in the face.

I see truth, I speak truth, I live truth because Jesus is the way the truth and the life and none come to the father but by him.

[Moose]

If you don't believe it stay off it, because now you see your mistake and its too late to go back. You read it and asked your question with it and I answered it. Now you know.

I don't know what's supposed to be meant by this statement, I don't see my mistake because I haven't made one.

A egg isn' split into 3.. a egg is a ONE EGG!!! it just happens to have 3 parts! which make one whole. You learned fractions, stop acting.

My bad, should've phrased that better, God isn't made up of 3 parts, God is one.

He died for a reason guy. Without him this earth wouldn't contain the HOLY SPIRIT. When Jesus died it was left here so just how Jesus prayed and got demons out people with it? We believers can also do that and help people with God's power.

I didn't claim he died for no reason (actually I claim that he never died), but how a God, who made humans, can get murdered by his own creations, I just..

Before Jesus was born God told mary that Jesus, his son/creation would have to DIE for our sins one day to save the world. He had a mission to do and he did it.

So Jesus is his own father?

His Holy Spirit had to be left on earth to get believers strength against the devil.

Well it hasn't been doing it's job very well has it (speaking on a basis that it does exist, which it doesn't)
Take an example, there're more gays now than there has ever been, it's becoming more and more acceptable to be gay, gay people can get married in some places and they can have children.

Simple isn't always good.

True, but it is in this case.

I see truth, I speak truth, I live truth because Jesus is the way the truth and the life and none come to the father but by him.

I wish you good luck with that.

[Reda]

Btw juice i believe Jesus as a prophet and as a savior.