Juice,

[Moose]

I have sufficient knowledge of my religion for now, Juice. I know what I have to do, and I'm not doing it for you, or for anyone, I'm doing it for myself, I know I'm not harming anyone but myself when I don't pray daily mane. I appreciate your concern for my well being tho

If you don't know who allah truly is how can you say your knowledge is sufficient? You worship something you have no clue about. I know way more about your god than you and that shouldn't be so. Since you are "too lazy" as you said to research it IS SO.

I do know who Allah is. Just because you see him as a threat and call him the devil doesn't mean it's true. You can not disprove a God using coincidental numbers and a moon-shaped clock. Just because some Muslims might be mislead doesn't mean all of them are, isn't that the same as what you say with Christians? I can judge ALL christians based on catholics, but I don't do that, do I? Because I'm open minded and open to discussion, while you dig and search for numbers.

Edit: About the verses you posted, I did actually forget about them, but I'm sure you won't believe that, you believe what you want to believe. So yeah, you go ahead and believe that I researched my own religion and saw it was evil and corrupted, see how that works out for you. Plus, if I did research those verses and gave you their true meanings, I'm 100% sure you would throw it right back in my face and claim that I'm wrong and you're right, like always, so why bother? If you're not co-operating, why should I waste my time enlightening a brick wall?

So out of all these members, You only want to show me? Why not show us all. See there is another difference between who you are and who i am. I'm not posting for one person because they threaten my beliefs. YOU ARE. If you were here to help you wouldn't care who said what about what you believe because you will continue posting truth anyways. It's clear to see you're NOT here to help. You're here to "prove Juice wrong" which isn't going so well for you either.


I am posting because someone threatens my beliefs, true. I see something wrong, and I try to correct it. For the millionth time Juice, I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I do not know everything about my religion, I am not a scholar, so I try to give out as less 'facts' as possible and only give my opinions. I might misinterpret or misread, I might lead someone to believe in something false, which I cannot take the responsibility for right now. I'm all for helping people Juice, but I need to help myself first. When I'm ready and finished taking in information, I'll happily give it out.

Off the top of my head, that verse that says 'Don't befriend Christians and Jewish people people' (or something roughly similar), the original verse in the Quran didn't even have the words Christian and Jewish people people.


here again we can see a difference in your posts and my posts. You're telling us but not PROVING IT. Post that surah surah stuff

HA, and you prove things right? You give me numbers and expect me to believe. Riiight.
My mistake, seems that I was misinformed, this is why I try to refrain from posting 'facts'.

Suratt Al Ma'idah, Verse 51:

O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and Christians for allies, for they are allies of each other. And whoever amongst you takes them for allies, then surely he is one of them, indeed God does not guide the evil doers.

After reading the verse in Arabic and reading some unbiased online interpretations, I can tell you this.

First of all, saying do not take them as "friends" isn't as accurate as saying not to take them as "allies".
Arabic is my first language, and I can tell you that in the Quran it says "Awliya", and a translation for that word would have to be "Allies", not "Friends".

Secondly, you have to consider the fact that when this verse came down, Islam was just beginning to spread, and there were alot of hypocrites attempting to spread lies, so it would be unwise to take the Christians or Jews as allies at that time.

Finally, if you thought that this meant that we can not have Christian or Jewish friends in our day to day lives (or, what you want to believe), this is not true. I'll just refer you to another verse and let it do the work.

Surat al Mumtahanah, Verse 8:

Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong-doers

[Juice.]

here again we can see a difference in your posts and my posts. You're telling us but not PROVING IT. Post that surah surah stuff

buy original quran (not an internet shit), and read it yourself..u gonna see who is right or who is wrong...internet is brainwashing you son,will u ever understand what internet is? dayum,stop worshiping it![/quote]


I learned about the new world order at like 7-8 years old. I didn't get on the internet until I was about 17.. The internet did make things easier to research though as far as speed. Many people call the the internet the information high way. Get it?

[Juice.]

I do know who Allah is. Just because you see him as a threat He's no threat since he's locked in hell. his demons are out here brainwashing the others it can. and call him the devil doesn't mean it's true. You can not disprove a God using coincidental numbers and a moon-shaped clock. Just because some Muslims might be mislead doesn't mean all of them are, isn't that the same as what you say with Christians? I can judge ALL christians based on catholics, but I don't do that, do I? Because I'm open minded and open to discussion, while you dig and search for numbers.

They don't want the Quran online because people who aren't brainwashed by it from kids will analyze and expose the text.
The truth is something real muslims with rank and power don't want told to people not under they're "spell".

Edit: About the verses you posted, I did actually forget about them, but I'm sure you won't believe that, you believe what you want to believe. So yeah, you go ahead and believe that I researched my own religion and saw it was evil and corrupted, see how that works out for you. Plus, if I did research those verses and gave you their true meanings, I'm 100% sure you would throw it right back in my face and claim that I'm wrong and you're right, like always, so why bother? If you're not co-operating, why should I waste my time enlightening a brick wall?

So out of all these members, You only want to show me? Why not show us all. See there is another difference between who you are and who i am. I'm not posting for one person because they threaten my beliefs. YOU ARE. If you were here to help you wouldn't care who said what about what you believe because you will continue posting truth anyways. It's clear to see you're NOT here to help. You're here to "prove Juice wrong" which isn't going so well for you either.


I am posting because someone threatens my beliefs, true. I see something wrong, and I try to correct it. For the millionth time Juice, I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I do not know everything about my religion, I know some things, that's why I'm here. I am not a scholar, so I try to give out as less 'facts' as possible and only give my opinions. I might misinterpret or misread, I might lead someone to believe in something false, ouch. which I cannot take the responsibility for right now. I'm all for helping people Juice, but I need to help myself first. Agreed When I'm ready and finished taking in information, I'll happily give it out.[/color]

Off the top of my head, that verse that says 'Don't befriend Christians and Jewish people people people' (or something roughly similar), the original verse in the Quran didn't even have the words Christian and Jewish people people people.


here again we can see a difference in your posts and my posts. You're telling us but not PROVING IT. Post that surah surah stuff

HA, and you prove things right? You give me numbers and expect me to believe. Riiight.
My mistake, seems that I was misinformed, this is why I try to refrain from posting 'facts'.

Suratt Al Ma'idah, Verse 51:

O you who believe! Do not take the Jewish people and Christians for allies, for they are allies of each other. And whoever amongst you takes them for allies, then surely he is one of them, indeed God does not guide the evil doers.

After reading the verse in Arabic and reading some unbiased online interpretations, I can tell you this.

First of all, saying do not take them as "friends" isn't as accurate as saying not to take them as "allies".
Arabic is my first language, and I can tell you that in the Quran it says "Awliya", and a translation for that word would have to be "Allies", not "Friends".


Once again Only I own a dictionary.

Define allies - 1. To place in a friendly association

Secondly, you have to consider the fact that when this verse came down, Islam was just beginning to spread, and there were alot of hypocrites attempting to spread lies, so it would be unwise to take the Christians or Jewish people as allies at that time.

Finally, if you thought that this meant that we can not have Christian or Jewish people friends in our day to day lives (or, what you want to believe), this is not true. I'll just refer you to another verse and let it do the work.

Surat al Mumtahanah, Verse 8:

Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong-doers

Its sad but being born to a muslim family is the same curse as being born to devil worshiping parents. Its like you guys have fail written all over you because of false teaching. Jesus is a merciful God and he judges people depending on what they know. I know the truth so I have a stricter judging system because I KNOW right from wrong, I know GOOD from Evil. I don't have the same excuses as a man with less intelligence on the subject. If you are really so hard wired to believe that stuff and not even look into what I said that is your choice. You will be judged for what you do know though. Its the same way with a retarded guy, he won't be judged as harsh as us who know better. Looking at your life, and being surrounded by this culture its like you're trapped and as much as I'd like to help you its like its no good because you don't want help. So I'll move on and just continue what has to be done.

[Moose]

Lmfao, 10/10

He's no threat since he's locked in hell. his demons are out here brainwashing the others it can.

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

They don't want the Quran online because people who aren't brainwashed by it from kids will analyze and expose the text.
The truth is something real muslims with rank and power don't want told to people not under they're "spell".

Who doesn't want it online? It's online..

I know some things, that's why I'm here.

You've made that quite clear already.

Once again Only I own a dictionary.

Define allies - 1. To place in a friendly association

The Allies in WWII. Were they buddies? Or were they in it for a mutual goal?

Its sad but being born to a muslim family is the same curse as being born to devil worshiping parents. Its like you guys have fail written all over you because of false teaching. Jesus is a merciful God and he judges people depending on what they know. I know the truth so I have a stricter judging system because I KNOW right from wrong, I know GOOD from Evil. I don't have the same excuses as a man with less intelligence on the subject. If you are really so hard wired to believe that stuff and not even look into what I said that is your choice. You will be judged for what you do know though. Its the same way with a retarded guy, he won't be judged as harsh as us who know better. Looking at your life, and being surrounded by this culture its like you're trapped and as much as I'd like to help you its like its no good because you don't want help. So I'll move on and just continue what has to be done.

See Juice, you have nothing new to say, you're running out of ideas. All you keep throwing at me is the same old recycled garbage, you're a devil worshipper, so are your parents, Allah is the devil, JESUS JESUS JESUS. You're slacking mate, get it together.

[Juice.]

A one eye logo on your Quran... I don't even have to say any more. The book speaks for itself. You even know that so you gave me 10/10... You can't deny that if you wanted to.

[Juice.]

even more convincing is I seen a eye logo when I put the quran in a 90 degree angle.
even more convincing is I seen a eye logo when I put your avtar in a 90 degree angle.





which btw you may have moved it. I have avas off and wouldn't know.

[Reda]

Look Juice, The vatican where Christians go to it and obey their pope. and look how its shaped! its an eye !

[Juice.]

These are NOT christians! They are called catholics and they too, like muslims... worship the devil. Their main meeting place, like muslims... has a 1 eye symbolism of the devil. Once again furthering what I've been telling you all a long. maybe you are waking up reda. Thanks for posting this picture.

[Nikola]

Not sure if a troll or just mad.

[Moose]

A one eye logo on your Quran... I don't even have to say any more. The book speaks for itself. You even know that so you gave me 10/10... You can't deny that if you wanted to.

Man, you even have to resort to putting words in my mouth in order to get the satisfaction you so obviously need. Weak Juice, very weak, honest to God, it's like arguing with a 7 year old girl, anything I say is wrong, everything you say is right, you even think you know about me more than I do, and you know my motives better than I do. You're a sad, sad man.
I gave you a 10/10 for being hilarious. Honestly Juice, do you even believe that yourself?