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Post by *Sunday* » October 11, 2012, 1:33 am
I have nothing against an agreement between SWAT and Pagati but after reviewing it I think there could be trouble. Firstly, some members think SWAT has too much limitations in this agreement and that we dont get enough in return. But the main problem I see is how will this work out... I already expect SWAT members arguing about who ownes the suspect, misunderstandings and just a single mistake could cause trouble and even put the agreement in danger of being cancelled. So my opinion about this is to keep it simple; SWAT may not attack/arrest Pagati members in their base and in return Pagati would do hits for us ( for free ). The reason why I consider the susect chase part a bad idea is because it could generally cause lots of trouble and it would be quite hard to enforce.
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Post by Legendary » October 11, 2012, 7:02 am
*Sunday* wrote:
I have nothing against an agreement between SWAT and Pagati but after reviewing it I think there could be trouble. Firstly, some members think SWAT has too much limitations in this agreement and that we dont get enough in return. But the main problem I see is how will this work out... I already expect SWAT members arguing about who ownes the suspect, misunderstandings and just a single mistake could cause trouble and even put the agreement in danger of being cancelled. So my opinion about this is to keep it simple; SWAT may not attack/arrest Pagati members in their base and in return Pagati would do hits for us ( for free ). The reason why I consider the susect chase part a bad idea is because it could generally cause lots of trouble and it would be quite hard to enforce.
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Post by Gilles. » October 11, 2012, 9:46 am
*Sunday* wrote:
I have nothing against an agreement between SWAT and Pagati but after reviewing it I think there could be trouble. Firstly, some members think SWAT has too much limitations in this agreement and that we dont get enough in return. But the main problem I see is how will this work out... I already expect SWAT members arguing about who ownes the suspect, misunderstandings and just a single mistake could cause trouble and even put the agreement in danger of being cancelled. So my opinion about this is to keep it simple; SWAT may not attack/arrest Pagati members in their base and in return Pagati would do hits for us ( for free ). The reason why I consider the susect chase part a bad idea is because it could generally cause lots of trouble and it would be quite hard to enforce.
But when SWAT is after a suspect and pagatti too, what then? Problems will start then ..

How about, we leave suspects once they enter pag building + we don't drag suspects if you say they will kill them + Pag doesn't kill swat in return + free hits?
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Post by Aree » October 11, 2012, 9:52 am
[Lsrcr]Aree wrote:
[Lsrcr]Gilles. wrote:
Ger wrote:
Actually, I don't really like this agreements, we have to let them take the suspects or hits and stop chasing them when they go to their HQ, and we just receive free hits? I'd like to have another ''benefit'' If I leave a suspect there and I avoid it because it's a Pagatti Business.
I have nothing vs. Pagatti, I registered my interest on it, but I don't consider this a fair Agreement.
Witch benefit would you like to have then?
If we are hitted but we are chaseing a suspect or something like that, like draging or tazeing , then pagatti wont be able to kill us until we finish our work. For Example.
Any comments Gilles about my opinion?
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Post by Gilles. » October 11, 2012, 10:43 am
[Lsrcr]Aree wrote:

If we are hitted but we are chaseing a suspect or something like that, like draging or tazeing , then pagatti wont be able to kill us until we finish our work. For Example.
Well, if we add that they CAN'T kill us, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by *Sunday* » October 11, 2012, 5:51 pm
[Lsrcr]Gilles. wrote:
*Sunday* wrote:
I have nothing against an agreement between SWAT and Pagati but after reviewing it I think there could be trouble. Firstly, some members think SWAT has too much limitations in this agreement and that we dont get enough in return. But the main problem I see is how will this work out... I already expect SWAT members arguing about who ownes the suspect, misunderstandings and just a single mistake could cause trouble and even put the agreement in danger of being cancelled. So my opinion about this is to keep it simple; SWAT may not attack/arrest Pagati members in their base and in return Pagati would do hits for us ( for free ). The reason why I consider the susect chase part a bad idea is because it could generally cause lots of trouble and it would be quite hard to enforce.
But when SWAT is after a suspect and pagatti too, what then? Problems will start then ..

How about, we leave suspects once they enter pag building + we don't drag suspects if you say they will kill them + Pag doesn't kill swat in return + free hits?
I was thinking the same a while ago but if you take the Army-SWAT situation as an example you'll understand what I mean. I believe enforcing such a rule would only cause problems, report hunting and eventually starting a conflict between the factions. If there would be no rules/limitations about that both sides couldnt complain about some kind of "unfairness". Also, using common logic to determine who "ownes" the suspect shouldn't be a big problem. Another quite good altenative would be as you said, giving SWAT more benefits in the current agreement.
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Post by Gilles. » October 12, 2012, 12:08 am
*Sunday* wrote:
[Lsrcr]Gilles. wrote:
*Sunday* wrote:
I have nothing against an agreement between SWAT and Pagati but after reviewing it I think there could be trouble. Firstly, some members think SWAT has too much limitations in this agreement and that we dont get enough in return. But the main problem I see is how will this work out... I already expect SWAT members arguing about who ownes the suspect, misunderstandings and just a single mistake could cause trouble and even put the agreement in danger of being cancelled. So my opinion about this is to keep it simple; SWAT may not attack/arrest Pagati members in their base and in return Pagati would do hits for us ( for free ). The reason why I consider the susect chase part a bad idea is because it could generally cause lots of trouble and it would be quite hard to enforce.
But when SWAT is after a suspect and pagatti too, what then? Problems will start then ..

How about, we leave suspects once they enter pag building + we don't drag suspects if you say they will kill them + Pag doesn't kill swat in return + free hits?
I was thinking the same a while ago but if you take the Army-SWAT situation as an example you'll understand what I mean. I believe enforcing such a rule would only cause problems, report hunting and eventually starting a conflict between the factions. If there would be no rules/limitations about that both sides couldnt complain about some kind of "unfairness". Also, using common logic to determine who "ownes" the suspect shouldn't be a big problem. Another quite good altenative would be as you said, giving SWAT more benefits in the current agreement.
Well, people will complain anyway. They did in the past about things, they do now and they will always do ..
We don't have a specific agreement with Army and see what we all went through ..
We are searching a good agreement witch is good for both sides.
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Post by *Sunday* » October 12, 2012, 7:40 pm
Of course a good agreement is what is in the interest of every SWAT member but as I said; I don't think they will be too happy if this happenes: SWAT chases a suspect for a while giving max effort and then Pagati shows up and they have to leave the suspect because he has a hit... quite annoying. In addition, I don't think free hits is something you would give up suspects for. What I tried to explain with the Army-SWAT situation is that the members are already mad when someone steals but imagine if someone made a rule giving the opposite side the right to steal, it would escalate sooner or later. So basically, I believe most of the members want that limitation to be removed or in altenative giving more rights to SWAT in return. Since I'm unable to come IG maybe the best agreement could be made after a discussion with the active members who are mostly affected by this?
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Post by swagerboy10 » October 12, 2012, 8:14 pm
so if i understand pagati can kill us for a hit but we cant kill or drag them if they are suspect?
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Post by Kaosx234 » October 12, 2012, 8:25 pm
swagerboy10 wrote:
so if i understand pagati can kill us for a hit but we cant kill or drag them if they are suspect?
You can chase them untill they go in their base area, and the place around their hq.
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