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[Boone]

Removing personality from this *ahem* argument, will keep it pure. I'm tired of long quotes, so I won't quote.

If we put facts into this, there will be an end. If you put opinions, there will be no end and no guaranteed answer. God did create evil, but didn't force anyone to go there. He gave human beings a very very simple task: Pick your path. It's not hard at all, you choose the path freely, and even if God knows what you are going to choose, he does NOT control you at all. He left choices in-front of you. Satan is arrogant and selfish, that's why he disobeyed God (by his own choice) and took the dark path. Now he wants to drag others, with him. But you know what, he can't. All he's doing is helping them enter with him, he can't control anyone unless they allow him to control them. They let themselves through the darkness of evil by themselves, DOT.

Okay, there's nothing left in this topic to pursue. I just want to open another topic here, about Christianity. I want to know Christians' opinion about their religion, and about their faith. Why most of the Christians end up being atheists? And explain to me who is God from your book, and simply why do you believe in him, with your evidence. Cheers <3

[Juice.]

Every topic in this section turns into an argument and Juice is always in it.

Also in each topic you know nothing so you post useless crap to cover that fact up.


ps. what about the topic where they are discussing abortion? I have no comment there at all. See what happens when you bring opinions to a table of facts? You get denied.

[Juice.]

First of all I said "tries" because I don't want to claim I have full understanding of God, it's like saying you're perfect. You can try being perfect (just as you can try to understand God) but you'll never be able to fully do it. Even you confirmed this few months ago by saying you can't achieve perfection in this life.

You can say what it's like but tell me what it is. You mean you won't ever be able to do it and I agree because as YOU said... YOU ARE LIMITED.


It seems we obviously have a different understanding of what good and evil are. You believe that good and evil are total opposites, you either join one or the other side, there is no in between. You're telling me of a world in black in white. Well, I'm telling you good and evil are just two sides of the same coin, welcome to the grey world.

I didn't create the rules, I just play the game efficiently.


Try to put yourself into God's perspective for a second and try to understand him.


yea go ahead and try, its what you know.


God created evil. Why? He wants us to go into heaven and he wants us to love him. Then why does God want evil to happen? This question is too hard, let's regrade it to a closer example.

This is a simple question. Nothing is hard about it at all. How could you understand Good if you never knew evil? How would a battery work if it doesn't have negative and positive? This is all simple knowledge that you are calling "hard".


grades? Well, he needs to test how much we actually know. If you know everything he taught you, if you're a good student you'll get good grades. If we translate grades into heaven and knowing the exam into loving God (and therefore exam=evil) we clearly see what God's reasoning behind evil is. God wants us to understand him, freely decide to come to him and love him. He wants the creator and the creation to be one. But of course, our closed minds don't understand that, we are too stupid to understand and value God's love. God is not trying to get us into heaven, he is trying to get us to understand and choose his love. Heaven is just something you get as a reward, something secondary. You should not live a sinless life because you're afraid of hell but because you simply wanna love God and be one with him. Heaven just comes along. It's a very complicated theory but I hope you understand now what I meant by doubt. Of course, students will complain that exams suck, that they're too hard (just like we complain about evil) but in the end exams are there for our own good, so we know things they're teaching us better. It seems paradoxal but in the end it makes sense to me, it's all about seeing the bigger picture.

It's a very simple theory to me but thanks for sharing.

God created evil knowing it would doubt our faith. If we were perfect and always followed the true faith evil wouldn't make any sense, there would be no difference in the world because nobody would fall under evil's influence. Evil was created with purpose knowing humans are weak and that evil will doubt us. God wants us to doubt but he also wants us to choose the right way through doubt, not through blind faith. You are also a very doubtful person, Juice, you're just afraid to turn that doubt against God. You play GTA, you doubt it, you search for hidden meaning. You see the government, you doubt it, you try to figure out what the truth they hide is. In the end you come to revelations and you understand what you once blindly believed much better. If only you gave God a chance to be doubted you could learn a lot and get a much better view of how and why.

So basically I should start trying like you? I'll pass bro. I don't need to try when I can do.

You're taking my words too much out of their context. By saying "doubt is good" I didn't mean you should doubt everything every second of your existence, that's just too extreme. Doubt is good but when used reasonably. Yes, I am a doubtful person because doubt makes me question things and look for the right answer. I had and have my doubts and after reviewing everything I formed my opinion. The thing you're reading are not my doubts, that's my opinion which was tested by doubt and survived.

I'm not a doubtful person. I have personal and social proof... Why would I doubt that? Doubting is for losers bruh.



Not confused at all, it's you who fails to understand my concept. We're all on the same level when it comes to our ability to compare to the divine. Nobody is superior, we're all God's people, equal by our status. Nobody deserves to be treated better nor worse. Those are the basics of social equality, not just religion. But that doesn't mean we're clones. Everybody has a different way to look at life, God has different plans and tests for every single person. So yeah, we're worth and capable of the same, that makes us equal. But it's everyone's personal choice to choose how will he use that potential.

And when you doubt that potential, you deserve what doubt has to offer.

So you're telling me you don't want the world to change? You want Illuminati and Satanists running everything as they do now? You didn't claim that you want a change but your posts indicate the current world isn't your idea of a good world.

I'm a joke to you? Fine, don't comment on my posts. Nobody is forcing you to argue with me. Once again, I'm here to share my opinion and to get an insight of other opinions and ideas. I'm not here to prove myself right, I'm here to learn.

I'm not arguing with you, its nothing to argue. You're wrong on this one, though I've seen you type good things in the past. Yes you are becoming a joke to me but I still hope you're just paTROLLing.

Yeah. As I said earlier everything I wrote here has undergone doubt. I didn't blindly accept everything I wrote here, I questioned myself is it the right thing first.

Well when you finish with all the doubt then return. No reason to type things you doubt.


I don't understand how this paragraph is related to the discussion. All you're supposed to do here is make arguments against mine in an effort to learn something new. You personal opinion about me is totally irrelevant, keep that to yourself and stick to the discussion topic.

With those mental limits, I don't expect you to understand. So far so good.

[Juice.]

James 1:6

But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.


(good luck with that bone shattering crash)


Jude 1:22

And have mercy on those who doubt


God says have mercy on doubters.. why? Because they are weak, so you must take mercy on them.


Romans 14:23

But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.


John 3:16

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


(aka heaven)


That's just a few examples that you clearly missed. Then again its no way a doubter read the bible anyways. If doubt is what you have then more power to you. You will need all the power you can get with that weakness.

[Boone]

I have a feeling Juice keeps evading my religious questions about Christianity...

[[Lsrcr]PiPo]

I honestly belive you are a wise man Juice. You know things others will never understand. I do admire this, however somethimes you overthink IMO. Ive got an tattoo of a eye aswell (sholder) but not becuz of illuminati but because my grandmother told me she will always keep an eye on me just before she passed out.

Not everything is bad! No offense just curios as you see something bad in almost everything, i wonder how life still can be joyable then.

[Kaosx234]

Sunday, you're wrong on a point,

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Also we should be only afraid from God and devil.

And no, God did not make evil, our greedy did. We always wanted to be gods - we crossed the line by not listening in God, and we made a first sin. Something Perfect cannot make evil. Something Perfect = God.

Removing personality from this *ahem* argument, will keep it pure. I'm tired of long quotes, so I won't quote.

If we put facts into this, there will be an end. If you put opinions, there will be no end and no guaranteed answer. God did create evil, but didn't force anyone to go there. He gave human beings a very very simple task: Pick your path. It's not hard at all, you choose the path freely, and even if God knows what you are going to choose, he does NOT control you at all. He left choices in-front of you. Satan is arrogant and selfish, that's why he disobeyed God (by his own choice) and took the dark path. Now he wants to drag others, with him. But you know what, he can't. All he's doing is helping them enter with him, he can't control anyone unless they allow him to control them. They let themselves through the darkness of evil by themselves, DOT.

Okay, there's nothing left in this topic to pursue. I just want to open another topic here, about Christianity. I want to know Christians' opinion about their religion, and about their faith. Why most of the Christians end up being atheists? And explain to me who is God from your book, and simply why do you believe in him, with your evidence. Cheers <3

The biggest religion is Christianity, thats why.
Also most of Catholic people are fake ones, just because of their parents or their society.

[StephenKelly]

Every topic in this section turns into an argument and Juice is always in it.

Also in each topic you know nothing so you post useless crap to cover that fact up.


ps. what about the topic where they are discussing abortion? I have no comment there at all. See what happens when you bring opinions to a table of facts? You get denied.

Your ego is enormous. Therefore, You will always think that you are correct even when your wrong. If you cannot see this, Then you truly are a stupid person.

[*Sunday*]

Sunday, you're wrong on a point,

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Also we should be only afraid from God and devil.

And no, God did not make evil, our greedy did. We always wanted to be gods - we crossed the line by not listening in God, and we made a first sin. Something Perfect cannot make evil. Something Perfect = God.

Removing personality from this *ahem* argument, will keep it pure. I'm tired of long quotes, so I won't quote.

If we put facts into this, there will be an end. If you put opinions, there will be no end and no guaranteed answer. God did create evil, but didn't force anyone to go there. He gave human beings a very very simple task: Pick your path. It's not hard at all, you choose the path freely, and even if God knows what you are going to choose, he does NOT control you at all. He left choices in-front of you. Satan is arrogant and selfish, that's why he disobeyed God (by his own choice) and took the dark path. Now he wants to drag others, with him. But you know what, he can't. All he's doing is helping them enter with him, he can't control anyone unless they allow him to control them. They let themselves through the darkness of evil by themselves, DOT.

Okay, there's nothing left in this topic to pursue. I just want to open another topic here, about Christianity. I want to know Christians' opinion about their religion, and about their faith. Why most of the Christians end up being atheists? And explain to me who is God from your book, and simply why do you believe in him, with your evidence. Cheers <3

The biggest religion is Christianity, thats why.
Also most of Catholic people are fake ones, just because of their parents or their society.

It doesn't even matter if God made evil in fact. What really matters is that God allows it to exist. If it wasn't for God's will nothing could exist, he's all mighty. So yeah, God must have a reason to keep evil among us.

[Kaosx234]

Sunday, you're wrong on a point,

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Also we should be only afraid from God and devil.

And no, God did not make evil, our greedy did. We always wanted to be gods - we crossed the line by not listening in God, and we made a first sin. Something Perfect cannot make evil. Something Perfect = God.

Removing personality from this *ahem* argument, will keep it pure. I'm tired of long quotes, so I won't quote.

If we put facts into this, there will be an end. If you put opinions, there will be no end and no guaranteed answer. God did create evil, but didn't force anyone to go there. He gave human beings a very very simple task: Pick your path. It's not hard at all, you choose the path freely, and even if God knows what you are going to choose, he does NOT control you at all. He left choices in-front of you. Satan is arrogant and selfish, that's why he disobeyed God (by his own choice) and took the dark path. Now he wants to drag others, with him. But you know what, he can't. All he's doing is helping them enter with him, he can't control anyone unless they allow him to control them. They let themselves through the darkness of evil by themselves, DOT.

Okay, there's nothing left in this topic to pursue. I just want to open another topic here, about Christianity. I want to know Christians' opinion about their religion, and about their faith. Why most of the Christians end up being atheists? And explain to me who is God from your book, and simply why do you believe in him, with your evidence. Cheers <3

The biggest religion is Christianity, thats why.
Also most of Catholic people are fake ones, just because of their parents or their society.

It doesn't even matter if God made evil in fact. What really matters is that God allows it to exist. If it wasn't for God's will nothing could exist, he's all mighty. So yeah, God must have a reason to keep evil among us.

After we didn't listen to God, this world became mortal and so the life on it. There won't be any evil in the heaven. This life is just a test phase for us because we all betrayed our God. And yes, if you have no doubts about religion, you chose the wrong religion.

EDIT: spelling mistakes :/