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Post by StephenKelly » July 7, 2014, 8:08 pm
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Actually those who have a different religion other than Islam will go to hell

Are you saying that's a fact or That it's just your opinion ?
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Post by Boone » July 7, 2014, 8:17 pm
StephenKelly wrote:
Hiccup wrote:
Actually those who have a different religion other than Islam will go to hell

Are you saying that's a fact or That it's just your opinion ?
After Islam came on Earth, yes the generations who knew Islam and didn't follow it will go to Hell. But the Christians and the Je-ws who followed the truthful way before the books got edited are on the right path because they followed prophets as well. Islam didn't come because other religions are right, but because they are wrong and got edited. I like keep my opinion out of the game as long as I'm making a topic, but others like to put their opinions, no idea why. BUT, those who didn't receive the message of Islam (who NEVER heard of it) are going to have a specific treatment from Allah, because Allah never supports injustice and will never apply injustice. The other religions are all edited, that's why they must not be called "religions" anymore, because religions aren't man-made, religions are sent from God to prophets to inform humans about it.

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Post by Boone » July 7, 2014, 8:21 pm
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Actually those who have a different religion other than Islam will go to hell, as you are speaking to a Muslim who has Islamic beliefs and saying that I will go to hell if I hate Je-ws. I actually meant that he's a Je-w so he won't be understanding what's related to the Bible since it's not his book.

What ever you racist kafr.


Once again, you don't understand. And forgive what, it's not like we have a revenge between us, it's just that Je-ws have a different doctrine and they used to kill prophets, we don't kill innocents. (but you do kill huh? see how he only says who they don't kill? No wonder that murder avatar suits you) Only those who fight us, we fight back. Fighters, not innocent people nor people of religion (unless they are involved in the battle and helping to murder Muslims).

So you support violence? Silly kafr keeps shooting himself in the mouth :lol:
Jihad, yes. I would kill you if you were on the battlefield and you were a disbeliever (kafr), because I have the complete right to kill an enemy of Allah who causes corruption. So yes, killing is allowed when it's about war between the right and the wrong.

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Post by Juice. » July 7, 2014, 8:32 pm
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Jihad, yes. I would kill you if you were on the battlefield and you were a disbeliever (kafr), because I have the complete right to kill an enemy of Allah who causes corruption. So yes, killing is allowed when it's about war between the right and the wrong.

So you are a killer, a murderer, a cold blooded human. You would kill a man because he was wrong? THEN I SHOULD KILL YOU but I would never kill anyone because I don't work for Satan.
Oh, Now everybody want to copy, right?
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Post by Boone » July 7, 2014, 8:35 pm
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Hiccup wrote:
Jihad, yes. I would kill you if you were on the battlefield and you were a disbeliever (kafr), because I have the complete right to kill an enemy of Allah who causes corruption. So yes, killing is allowed when it's about war between the right and the wrong.

So you are a killer, a murderer, a cold blooded human. You would kill a man because he was wrong? THEN I SHOULD KILL YOU but I would never kill anyone because I don't work for Satan.
I believe when you read the word "kill" something turns on inside your head. Because you are an enemy of Allah WHO accepts to FIGHT US and INSISTS on CAUSING CORRUPTION on Earth. So those corruption spreaders deserve nothing but a painful punishment, because they lead many innocents to Hellfire with their corruption. If the human was wrong and didn't attack me I won't kill him of course, it's because he causes corruption and insists on fighting the truth.

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Post by Juice. » July 7, 2014, 9:02 pm
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Juice. wrote:
Hiccup wrote:
Jihad, yes. I would kill you if you were on the battlefield and you were a disbeliever (kafr), because I have the complete right to kill an enemy of Allah who causes corruption. So yes, killing is allowed when it's about war between the right and the wrong.

So you are a killer, a murderer, a cold blooded human. You would kill a man because he was wrong? THEN I SHOULD KILL YOU but I would never kill anyone because I don't work for Satan.
I believe when you read the word "kill" something turns on inside your head. Because you are an enemy of Allah WHO accepts to FIGHT US and INSISTS on CAUSING CORRUPTION on Earth. So those corruption spreaders deserve nothing but a painful punishment, because they lead many innocents to Hellfire with their corruption. If the human was wrong and didn't attack me I won't kill him of course, it's because he causes corruption and insists on fighting the truth.

So you support murder. You say those who lead others to Hellfire are evil.. When you kill and send people to hellfire, guess what that makes you? EVIL. In the last sentence I loss total respect for you. Allah said to kill them if they are wrong and now you are saying they can shoot first.. noooo you aren't even loyal to Allah.. You are a violent kafr, nothing more.
Oh, Now everybody want to copy, right?
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Post by Boone » July 7, 2014, 9:11 pm
*Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.{190} And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.{191}

Surat Al Baqarah (The Cow), verses 190 and 191.

The believers are asked to fight those who hindered their efforts in the cause of God, and acted with hostility towards them merely because they sought to fashion human life according to the revealed guidance of God. Earlier, when they were weak and scattered, the Muslims were asked merely to preach and be patient with the wrongful repression meted out to them by their opponents. However, now that a small city state had been established in Madina they were commanded for the first time to unsheathe their swords against those who had resorted to armed hostility against their movement of reform. It was some time after this injunction that the Battle of Badr took place, to be followed by several other battles.

The believers are told that material interests should not be the motivation for their fighting, that they should not take up arms against those who were not in opposition to the true faith, that they should not resort to unscrupulous methods or to the indiscriminate killing and pillage which characterized the wars of the pre-Islamic era, the Age of Ignorance. The excesses alluded to in this verse are acts such as taking up arms against women and children, the old and the injured, mutilation of the dead bodies of the enemy, uncalled-for devastation through the destruction of fields and livestock, and other similar acts of injustice and brutality. In the Hadith all these acts have been prohibited. The real intent of the verse is to stress that force should be used only when its use is unavoidable, and only to the extent that is absolutely necessary.

^ Explanation.

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Post by Juice. » July 7, 2014, 9:14 pm
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*Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.{190} And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.{191}

Surat Al Baqarah (The Cow), verses 190 and 191.

The believers are asked to fight those who hindered their efforts in the cause of God, and acted with hostility towards them merely because they sought to fashion human life according to the revealed guidance of God. Earlier, when they were weak and scattered, the Muslims were asked merely to preach and be patient with the wrongful repression meted out to them by their opponents. However, now that a small city state had been established in Madina they were commanded for the first time to unsheathe their swords against those who had resorted to armed hostility against their movement of reform. It was some time after this injunction that the Battle of Badr took place, to be followed by several other battles.

The believers are told that material interests should not be the motivation for their fighting, that they should not take up arms against those who were not in opposition to the true faith, that they should not resort to unscrupulous methods or to the indiscriminate killing and pillage which characterized the wars of the pre-Islamic era, the Age of Ignorance. The excesses alluded to in this verse are acts such as taking up arms against women and children, the old and the injured, mutilation of the dead bodies of the enemy, uncalled-for devastation through the destruction of fields and livestock, and other similar acts of injustice and brutality. In the Hadith all these acts have been prohibited. The real intent of the verse is to stress that force should be used only when its use is unavoidable, and only to the extent that is absolutely necessary.

^ Explanation.


Nice work slave boy. Tell me more about how violent Muslims are lol
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Post by Boone » July 7, 2014, 9:20 pm
The rest of the explanation why we can kill:

Here the word fitnah is used in the sense of 'persecution'. It refers to a situation whereby either a person or a group is subjected to harassment and intimidation for having accepted, as true, a set of ideas contrary to those currently held, and for striving to effect reforms in the existing order of society by preaching what is good and condemning what is wrong. Such a situation must be changed, if need be, by the force of arms.

Bloodshed is bad, but when one group of people imposes its ideology and forcibly prevents others from accepting the truth, then it becomes guilty of an even more serious crime. In such circumstances, it is perfectly legitimate to remove that oppressive group by the force of arms.

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Post by Kaosx234 » July 7, 2014, 9:21 pm
Hiccup wrote:
The rest of the explanation why we can kill:

Here the word fitnah is used in the sense of 'persecution'. It refers to a situation whereby either a person or a group is subjected to harassment and intimidation for having accepted, as true, a set of ideas contrary to those currently held, and for striving to effect reforms in the existing order of society by preaching what is good and condemning what is wrong. Such a situation must be changed, if need be, by the force of arms.

Bloodshed is bad, but when one group of people imposes its ideology and forcibly prevents others from accepting the truth, then it becomes guilty of an even more serious crime. In such circumstances, it is perfectly legitimate to remove that oppressive group by the force of arms.
So you're supporting murders? Well, be hitman in real life, you'll be in heaven a hundred percent.
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