Removal of Swan Off

[Mastro]

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I don't agree on removing sawnoff maybe 2 shoots bug gets removed[/quote]
The bug is Gta Sa bug, it cannot be removed.[/quote]
Then it should be forbidden just like c-bug and that's it but not remove s/o lol[/quote]

Not giving my opinion about that but it is somehow possible to script something like - when you try to 2-shot you get frozen for 1-2 seconds. Saying that because I saw it somewhere.

[Carl_J]

ok carl_j got a goodest idea

how about we make it that instead of you getting 2 sawnoffs when you buy it / get it from a weapon checkpoint, we instead only get 1 sawnoff (it's like that in singleplayer until you master the shotgun/sawnoff skill or whatever, then it gives you 2)

[Robin]

ok carl_j got a goodest idea

how about we make it that instead of you getting 2 sawnoffs when you buy it / get it from a weapon checkpoint, we instead only get 1 sawnoff (it's like that in singleplayer until you master the shotgun/sawnoff skill or whatever, then it gives you 2)

It's the 'skill level' of the player: SetPlayerSkillLevel

[Carl_J]

It's the 'skill level' of the player: SetPlayerSkillLevel

yes i know, in SAMP you have every skill maxed out by default, a better option would be making it that players can only use 1 sawnoff like that website mentioned instead of just removing the whole gun.

[Kaosx234]

I don't see why you dont think this isnt a cops and robbers server, there are cops, there are robbers(criminals), and they fight. lol.

In TDM servers, there are also Cops and robbers (in some, obviously). I see that you have problem checking the difference between a Team DM and Cops n Robbers. In TDM, there are 2 teams (can be counter strikes vs criminals) and both of they have same weapons and same chance of winning. In Cops n Robbers, cops chase criminals, criminals do not chase cops (unless outnumbering cops). Furthermore, few hours ago you said exactly this "Ask anyone here, they will all say that this indeed pretty much IS in fact a TDM server considering how it works now" and now you are claiming that this is not a TDM server at all. Why are you contradicting yourself? Do you even read what do you type at least? This is getting better and better, at least do not contradict yourself

Ask anyone here, they will all say that this indeed pretty much IS in fact a TDM server considering how it works now

I don't see why you dont think this isnt a cops and robbers server,

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U quoted yourself so I'll answer to that. You use m4 for popping tires, shooting vehicles, helis etc. And its not useless against actual players directly, on foot, even when there are sawnoffs. Deagles are oftenly used as well even tho sawnoff exists because there are exp. players who are good with deagles, lel. Combat shotgun is never going to be put to use no matter what regardless of s/o existance because it slows you down, you cant c-bug and they'll just taze and ar. ak47 same thing as m4... So i dont see much of a problem with weapons currently.

M4 are used only for popping the tires because of sawnoffs, deagles are not used at all, because there is no reason to use deagle unless you want to die. Combat shotguns are better than deagles, sucks for you that you have no experience in combat shotgun neither in deagles whatsoever. Not my problem. If you want to duel me with deagle without cbug while I am using Combat Shotgun, we will do it whenever your heart wants. Do you know why you won't use deagle at all? That is right, because of sawn offs. Do you know why we will never use combat shotguns? That is again right, because of sawnoff! Do you know why we won't use ak47? Because of, you said it again, sawnoffs. Why do not we use other weapons such as tec, uzi in fights? Because of, this is already familiar to me, sawnoffs! Because sawnoff fights are very funny, running like a chick - trying not to use the same pattern while running, using SAMP bugs. That is, indeed, very fun.

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So the helis and nrg thing. It has something to do with s/o indirectly but you can't see it because you're just looking at the individual weapon for itself, and not on the consequences of its non-existence. With no sawnoff, if you're solo criminal(which is very often the case), there's no point in fighting. And then what, you'll just run around the san andreas with nrg and heli, rob some shops because its challenging...?? And.... fun?? Like, you rob 10 shops in lv, someone decides to go on you. You run to airport, both get helis and fly endlessly till someone does something or what.. I mean, yes i know i am making a bad "nutshell", but I hope you get my point. you just run without fights.
If you find these stuff fun..well.. then you're more than likely one of those noobs that just registered that are like: "so i can rob sam bitchaze, aight, well, if i flew to lv thear no copz and imma be rich imma rob omg my laif great i just rob da whole day oh fk im an alca, dafak. oh wait, no S/o, cops unlimited teaze, ? Nc server gj admens"

Sawn offs have nothing to do with NRG or helicopters, because again, your argument is based, criminals should hunt cops [bolded part]. The underlined part shows that you have just a bit of knowledge what is Cops n Robbers server about. Chases are more fun than fights (with sawnoff) that lasts for 7 seconds or less. You also won't have a chance to enter in a helicopter if both users, chaser and the suspect, are skilled players, otherwise no one would be arrested by the LEO.

Sarcasm just shows how mature you are here to discuss. People can have on different ways fun. I enjoy jailing people just like you, who will rage alot, insult my parents and my brothers, call me an egox234, and so on. It is the definition of fun to me.

Adding to what I said previous, if you are incapable of escaping 1v1 against police, then you are a (I will use your words) noob.

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you'll find criminal teammates in 1 out of 5 times because most of them just solo and most of them -3 scored pros.. and i emphasized few rows above why just running away isn't fun to anyone.

Escaping police is fun, just because you cannot escape police and eventually you get arrested, that doesn't mean everyone is as unskilled as you are. I do not find anything funny in running as chicken and killing cops, that is not fun at all.

So the bmx-es..
I said it because you whine about s/o being boring, no other weapons to use oh gawdd.. well why dont you decide to do something about your favorito, get the drugs , get the bike, be invincible. why dont you suggest to remove bmx?

Why would we here talk about mountain bikes? If you want to get it removed, suggest it.

You say s/o are boring because its always the same blah blah blah (facepalm)...
Football matches are then all boring, all the time just passes, dribbles, fouls, then sometimes a goal drops in..... S/O are always fun beacause they are intense and they are main fighting weapon. Without it, no=fights=just running=no fun

Football matches are boring, I never said that they weren't. At least, football matches last longer than 7 seconds duel. You never were in another roleplay server, were you? I am not saying this because of roleplay matters but because anyone that used to play here, knows that using normal weapons is way more fun that using the quick swap bug with sawnoffs. Claim that something is not fun once you try it, those kind of people that are hard-headed, stubborn, ignorant and traditional are the worst people.

They are main weapons because anyone that uses the other weapon against sawn offs will be dead in a matter of seconds.

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It was already suggested what Carl said and I'd like to see that happen

[Zoroark]

-1 for reasons already stated.

[Geri]

Geri, can you edit the OP to add a poll? I thought it might be good to put a poll in this topic.

Done.

[Raif]

-1 for reasons already stated.

[richirich]

I would agree if geri got removed like sawnoff at the same time. So -1

[Indognito]

Nah, if anything nerf it a little. -1