Removal of Swan Off

[Razer531]

So kaos' logic is that cops should be stronger than criminals and criminals should be able to beat them only if they outnumber them... alright kaos so that means no solo cophunting.. and guess what's going to happen when you'll be solo criminal. you'll officially experience the hugest bore ever. Dude, if i really wanted to, i can get red wanted and i can run away from anyone in this server for at least FULL HOUR. It's not like someone is going to be so obsessed with you and just chase and chase and chase you forever, even then i can escape with heli or some other shit. like, i run to desert or wherever, noone is gonna want to chase me, nowadays chances of joining at the moment where there are going to be really a lot of leos and so many of them are just going to keep and keep and keep chasing you are slim to zero.. i like challenging chases.. but now its too easy to escape from someone..go lsa, grab police heli and run with it.. you can also take some faster flying vehicles(if there are.. i guess there are some that criminals can use xdd) thats why i find the only fun in criminal cophunting.. heliblading, shock and s/o... its going to be boring as motherfuc*ing fuck... what do i do then? rob some stores? lol. everyone can do that very easily, thats way too boring...
you can remove sawnoff if you really want to do it THAT fucking badly, but then you'll need to make a MASSIVE rework of whole server since its otherwise going to be boring af...
and THAT'S my opinion i had to express wayy before.... boring and boring because noone will really chase you if you just run somewhere away from los santos with flying vehicles.. oh and i cant wait for someone to team on a flying vehicle, thats gonna take 2 hours for someone to come up with that idea..

[Razer531]

Enough of you guys trying to roast each other, this is a suggestion, leave your opinion and shut the fuck up. Try to start an arguement after this post and you're getting a 3 day bitch slap.

2-shot and C-bug are SA:MP bugs but only 2-shot is allowed, why? Either allow both of them or disable 2-shot as well, the server rules says that you may not abuse a bug but all of us have been breaking this rule since ages.. I think the Roleplay in Lsrcr is just useless, I'd love the tag to be Lscr instead of Lsrcr because no one actually wants to roleplay.. People are misguided when they join, I've seen some players complaining on mainchat or /ask that - "Where's the roleplay?".

Alright, if you wanna keep the sawnoffs in the server, remove the /loc command and disable map markers for EVERYONE. If you plan on robbing a store, it will take at least 20-25 seconds instead of 14 seconds. Cops will still be notified through their Radio like "Dispatch: A robbery is blah blah" but they will not be able to /loc the criminal, this not only will balance the gameplay a bit but increase interaction of players in other cities(SF, LV), and some of you will be curious on how will we take the hits.. Add a new class(P.I.) that you can hire and they will be able to use a command, let's say /find and it will give them a red marker for the one they used the command on for 5-10 seconds.

Can I know, why discussing an opinion is not allowed? I mean, I never went full retard to insult anyone in this discussion nor I will. And finally, I never used "roleplay" argument into my favor.

As for Car, do you want to duel me with your combat shotgun (or deagle) and I will use sawn off?

Well you can't even compare LSRCR with real life. If you say in real life Army doesn't use swan off, then in real life, which cop can tazer, cuff, and arrest a suspect in 1second? The /ar command is a total teleportation so you just can't compare any server with real life (maybe you can the servers who are strict RP). For once you way this is a semi-RP server and then you start comparing it with real life. Anyway, I'm currently not sure to vote Yes or No, so I will let this aside for now.

You didn't read past comments, did you?

of course i dont want to duel you like that kaos. but do you want a s/o vs s/o?

[Kaosx234]

we can always do that ingame after you ask me in /pm. i asked you for duel since you said sawnoff is not a minigun compared to combat shotgun

[Razer531]

we can always do that ingame after you ask me in /pm. i asked you for duel since you said sawnoff is not a minigun compared to combat shotgun

oh and since you were complaining all the time about me not replying to your arguments...
reply to mine that i stated

this one:

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So kaos' logic is that cops should be stronger than criminals and criminals should be able to beat them only if they outnumber them... alright kaos so that means no solo cophunting.. and guess what's going to happen when you'll be solo criminal. you'll officially experience the hugest bore ever. Dude, if i really wanted to, i can get red wanted and i can run away from anyone in this server for at least FULL HOUR. It's not like someone is going to be so obsessed with you and just chase and chase and chase you forever, even then i can escape with heli or some other shit. like, i run to desert or wherever, noone is gonna want to chase me, nowadays chances of joining at the moment where there are going to be really a lot of leos and so many of them are just going to keep and keep and keep chasing you are slim to zero.. i like challenging chases.. but now its too easy to escape from someone..go lsa, grab police heli and run with it.. you can also take some faster flying vehicles(if there are.. i guess there are some that criminals can use xdd) thats why i find the only fun in criminal cophunting.. heliblading, shock and s/o... its going to be boring as motherfuc*ing fuck... what do i do then? rob some stores? lol. everyone can do that very easily, thats way too boring...
you can remove sawnoff if you really want to do it THAT fucking badly, but then you'll need to make a MASSIVE rework of whole server since its otherwise going to be boring af...
and THAT'S my opinion i had to express wayy before.... boring and boring because noone will really chase you if you just run somewhere away from los santos with flying vehicles.. oh and i cant wait for someone to team on a flying vehicle, thats gonna take 2 hours for someone to come up with that idea..

[Kaosx234]

So kaos' logic is that cops should be stronger than criminals and criminals should be able to beat them only if they outnumber them... alright kaos so that means no solo cophunting.. and guess what's going to happen when you'll be solo criminal. you'll officially experience the hugest bore ever. Dude, if i really wanted to, i can get red wanted and i can run away from anyone in this server for at least FULL HOUR. It's not like someone is going to be so obsessed with you and just chase and chase and chase you forever, even then i can escape with heli or some other shit. like, i run to desert or wherever, noone is gonna want to chase me, nowadays chances of joining at the moment where there are going to be really a lot of leos and so many of them are just going to keep and keep and keep chasing you are slim to zero.. i like challenging chases.. but now its too easy to escape from someone..go lsa, grab police heli and run with it.. you can also take some faster flying vehicles(if there are.. i guess there are some that criminals can use xdd) thats why i find the only fun in criminal cophunting.. heliblading, shock and s/o... its going to be boring as motherfuc*ing fuck... what do i do then? rob some stores? lol. everyone can do that very easily, thats way too boring...
you can remove sawnoff if you really want to do it THAT fucking badly, but then you'll need to make a MASSIVE rework of whole server since its otherwise going to be boring af...
and THAT'S my opinion i had to express wayy before.... boring and boring because noone will really chase you if you just run somewhere away from los santos with flying vehicles.. oh and i cant wait for someone to team on a flying vehicle, thats gonna take 2 hours for someone to come up with that idea..

In your logic, suspects should chase down cops, right? I guess I am in the wrong server then, I always imagine that in Cop n Robbers server, cops chase criminals and not criminals cops?

What did cophunt? It ruined the server, as I stated yesterday to Jaker's replies. 2 years ago, the server was full (150? players - not sure about the number, but it was more than 120). Yesterday, when I spoke to Jaker, 44 players. LSRCR always hits the biggest player count in summer, is 44 max for night? I did not see for awhile 80 players in the server. We lost more than 50 players in just 2 years. It all begun after the cophunt (it started 2 yeas ago if I am correct), why? The simple reason, when a newbie comes into LSRCR and picks cop skin, he wants to chase criminals, he joined this server for chases because they are fun, and what he gets? duels with sawnoff, every single day, same place, and the top of the ice - criminals hunt that poor cop that doesn't team with anyone (he is a new player). What does the newbie do? Quits, simple as that.

Statistics does not lie, they are going into my favor, sadly or luckily.

just chase and chase and chase you forever, even then i can escape with heli or some other shit.

I challenge you to, in a driving chase, to escape me with the helicopter (and we are not located near the LSA/SFA/LVA). If that was so easy, nobody would be in jail (or very rare). This server was supposed to chase other people down or to run away from cops, 2 years ago it was removed and also removed nearly half of active players database. I hope that you are glad with that, because I am not.

Of course that you will take infernus in this challenge, but lets be real, how many times were you being chased whilst being in a worse car than a chaser (worse means less speed)? So if you want to really test how escaping is easy, you'll be in a worse car than me (doesn't need to be alot). In case you bring infernus, I'd bring my mate.

you can remove sawnoff if you really want to do it THAT fucking badly, but then you'll need to make a MASSIVE rework of whole server since its otherwise going to be boring af...

Rework of what? Will bring back the players that left due cophunting being allowed? I am glad that I will help the community in that way

boring and boring because noone will really chase you if you just run somewhere away from los santos with flying vehicles

If escaping was this easy, would you think that jails and alcatraz would be empty? They somehow are, because people tend to /q (faced that problem whilst being undercover, so many 300 scores /Q'd because you guys did that - a very good role model), but escaping is not that easy - you have to face it, especially if cops are teaming (or Army/SWAT)

[Razer531]

So kaos' logic is that cops should be stronger than criminals and criminals should be able to beat them only if they outnumber them... alright kaos so that means no solo cophunting.. and guess what's going to happen when you'll be solo criminal. you'll officially experience the hugest bore ever. Dude, if i really wanted to, i can get red wanted and i can run away from anyone in this server for at least FULL HOUR. It's not like someone is going to be so obsessed with you and just chase and chase and chase you forever, even then i can escape with heli or some other shit. like, i run to desert or wherever, noone is gonna want to chase me, nowadays chances of joining at the moment where there are going to be really a lot of leos and so many of them are just going to keep and keep and keep chasing you are slim to zero.. i like challenging chases.. but now its too easy to escape from someone..go lsa, grab police heli and run with it.. you can also take some faster flying vehicles(if there are.. i guess there are some that criminals can use xdd) thats why i find the only fun in criminal cophunting.. heliblading, shock and s/o... its going to be boring as motherfuc*ing fuck... what do i do then? rob some stores? lol. everyone can do that very easily, thats way too boring...
you can remove sawnoff if you really want to do it THAT fucking badly, but then you'll need to make a MASSIVE rework of whole server since its otherwise going to be boring af...
and THAT'S my opinion i had to express wayy before.... boring and boring because noone will really chase you if you just run somewhere away from los santos with flying vehicles.. oh and i cant wait for someone to team on a flying vehicle, thats gonna take 2 hours for someone to come up with that idea..

In your logic, suspects should chase down cops, right? I guess I am in the wrong server then, I always imagine that in Cop n Robbers server, cops chase criminals and not criminals cops?

What did cophunt? It ruined the server, as I stated yesterday to Jaker's replies. 2 years ago, the server was full (150? players - not sure about the number, but it was more than 120). Yesterday, when I spoke to Jaker, 44 players. LSRCR always hits the biggest player count in summer, is 44 max for night? I did not see for awhile 80 players in the server. We lost more than 50 players in just 2 years. It all begun after the cophunt (it started 2 yeas ago if I am correct), why? The simple reason, when a newbie comes into LSRCR and picks cop skin, he wants to chase criminals, he joined this server for chases because they are fun, and what he gets? duels with sawnoff, every single day, same place, and the top of the ice - criminals hunt that poor cop that doesn't team with anyone (he is a new player). What does the newbie do? Quits, simple as that.

Statistics does not lie, they are going into my favor, sadly or luckily.

just chase and chase and chase you forever, even then i can escape with heli or some other shit.

I challenge you to, in a driving chase, to escape me with the helicopter (and we are not located near the LSA/SFA/LVA). If that was so easy, nobody would be in jail (or very rare). This server was supposed to chase other people down or to run away from cops, 2 years ago it was removed and also removed nearly half of active players database. I hope that you are glad with that, because I am not.

Of course that you will take infernus in this challenge, but lets be real, how many times were you being chased whilst being in a worse car than a chaser (worse means less speed)? So if you want to really test how escaping is easy, you'll be in a worse car than me (doesn't need to be alot). In case you bring infernus, I'd bring my mate.

you can remove sawnoff if you really want to do it THAT fucking badly, but then you'll need to make a MASSIVE rework of whole server since its otherwise going to be boring af...

Rework of what? Will bring back the players that left due cophunting being allowed? I am glad that I will help the community in that way

boring and boring because noone will really chase you if you just run somewhere away from los santos with flying vehicles

If escaping was this easy, would you think that jails and alcatraz would be empty? They somehow are, because people tend to /q (faced that problem whilst being undercover, so many 300 scores /Q'd because you guys did that - a very good role model), but escaping is not that easy - you have to face it, especially if cops are teaming (or Army/SWAT)

escaping is way too easy in this server and thats why we want s/o. to hunt cops. you dont want cophunt? well then make a rework cuz chasing system is shit here. newbies dont necessariliy have to be complete samp newbies, they may come from other servers and its going to be their problem if they cant fight with s/o. if someone is better than you, you should just give up and quit? and since it takes you so fkin much to understand why escaping is way too easy, i am going to record it, put it on youtube and put a link here and you'll see me as a wanted criminal who just flies around san andreas and noone is going after me. since i get bored, i come closer to leos, they start shooting at me and i get away so that i dont explode and they stop chasing.. so same story. way too easy to escape. and i am going to record this. just give me some time..

[Kaosx234]

escaping is way too easy in this server and thats why we want s/o. to hunt cops. you dont want cophunt? well then make a rework cuz chasing system is shit here. newbies dont necessariliy have to be complete samp newbies, they may come from other servers and its going to be their problem if they cant fight with s/o. if someone is better than you, you should just give up and quit? and since it takes you so fkin much to understand why escaping is way too easy, i am going to record it, put it on youtube and put a link here and you'll see me as a wanted criminal who just flies around san andreas and noone is going after me. since i get bored, i come closer to leos, they start shooting at me and i get away so that i dont explode and they stop chasing.. so same story. way too easy to escape. and i am going to record this. just give me some time..

Escaping using car or motobike is not easy at all, especially if the chaser has a teammate with him - then you should not have any chance, because any tire that they pop you is for you a game over and you can only /q (what people tend to do) or simply die in the car. If the chases is unskilled, then not even 5v1 will succeed.

Next, me cophunting. I am lately in criminal skin often and I usually go cophunt with my mountain bike that also requires some skills . I can cophunt without sawnoff using sniper what is more fun because once you get used to the sniper, you are being called an aimbotter (if undercover account)

Newbie's fault? What are you talking about? It is their fault to enter this server? What expectation did you have when you joined this server? That you will duel every single day with the same gun using the most known SAMP bug in the whole SAMP history? No, you expected that cops will chase you and you'll find a way how to evade them and maybe kill them afterwards when you find a good spot. You did not join a CnR server to duel with sawnoff, there are plenty of DM, FFA, and TDM servers if your intentions were to duel most of the time.

If you feel like dueling, you should go and play a different server, keep chases in CnR because chases are essential thing in that mode.

How often are you in an aircraft plane when being chased? Do you duel maybe in air, do you rob stores in air? I didn't find any flying-store at the moment, maybe you should tell me. If you are being chased, most likely, you will not be in any helicopter/plane, you will have to drive to it afterward enter it. It takes time to drive to an airport and tow/take unoccupied aircraft plane, and meanwhile you can be arrested easily. So no, escaping for the 3rd time, is not as easy as you are trying to convince us. If escaping was that easy, no one would be caught, would they?

There is no need to record, let's do that challenge, you will drive, sultan and I will be driving bullet, we'll be located at temple. Your mission is to escape me by any chance. If you want to drive an infernus, I will bring my mate with me. This is easier than a record, isn't it?

[Razer531]

escaping is way too easy in this server and thats why we want s/o. to hunt cops. you dont want cophunt? well then make a rework cuz chasing system is shit here. newbies dont necessariliy have to be complete samp newbies, they may come from other servers and its going to be their problem if they cant fight with s/o. if someone is better than you, you should just give up and quit? and since it takes you so fkin much to understand why escaping is way too easy, i am going to record it, put it on youtube and put a link here and you'll see me as a wanted criminal who just flies around san andreas and noone is going after me. since i get bored, i come closer to leos, they start shooting at me and i get away so that i dont explode and they stop chasing.. so same story. way too easy to escape. and i am going to record this. just give me some time..

Escaping using car or motobike is not easy at all, especially if the chaser has a teammate with him - then you should not have any chance, because any tire that they pop you is for you a game over and you can only /q (what people tend to do) or simply die in the car. If the chases is unskilled, then not even 5v1 will succeed.

Next, me cophunting. I am lately in criminal skin often and I usually go cophunt with my mountain bike that also requires some skills . I can cophunt without sawnoff using sniper what is more fun because once you get used to the sniper, you are being called an aimbotter (if undercover account)

Newbie's fault? What are you talking about? It is their fault to enter this server? What expectation did you have when you joined this server? That you will duel every single day with the same gun using the most known SAMP bug in the whole SAMP history? No, you expected that cops will chase you and you'll find a way how to evade them and maybe kill them afterwards when you find a good spot. You did not join a CnR server to duel with sawnoff, there are plenty of DM, FFA, and TDM servers if your intentions were to duel most of the time.

If you feel like dueling, you should go and play a different server, keep chases in CnR because chases are essential thing in that mode.

How often are you in an aircraft plane when being chased? Do you duel maybe in air, do you rob stores in air? I didn't find any flying-store at the moment, maybe you should tell me. If you are being chased, most likely, you will not be in any helicopter/plane, you will have to drive to it afterward enter it. It takes time to drive to an airport and tow/take unoccupied aircraft plane, and meanwhile you can be arrested easily. So no, escaping for the 3rd time, is not as easy as you are trying to convince us. If escaping was that easy, no one would be caught, would they?

There is no need to record, let's do that challenge, you will drive, sultan and I will be driving bullet, we'll be located at temple. Your mission is to escape me by any chance. If you want to drive an infernus, I will bring my mate with me. This is easier than a record, isn't it?

for the newbies thing.. i agree with all you said. but the problem is, i'd like to keep chases in CnR but they suck because of the reason i mentioned 5 million times.

how often am i an aircraft plane? do i duel, do i rob in air? well, i thought your point of this server was cops chasing criminals, and i am not robbing any shit in air, i am just running away from cops. the problem is, there wont be anyone to run away from
and just constant robbing and robbing and robbing is just way to boring. who still does this on server except the nabs that just joined and found out that they can rob?
i agree with you kaos that it's going to be a challenge if we both drive ground vehicles, i agree completely. but its not when i fly a heli, thats why i suggested a removal of flying vehicles..

[Kaosx234]

I mentioned air duel, air robs because you said that its izi pizi to escape with helicopter/plane, it was like that you are always in an aircraft (some plane), but one out of dozen times I see a suspect in an aircraft.

Chases are interesting on ground, and those chases are always there (because once again, I hardly see someone in helicopter in order to be chased, usually suspects are in LSPD marverick to go from A to B position)

[MemoriesOfWar]

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This might be the most retarded suggestion ever ( Sorry but it's true) , Even Admins voting positive on this.. Anyways remove sawn off because some players cannot play with it is just being egoistic,What's more funny is people who post these suggestions are the same annoying players who spawn as cop and uses keybinds to arrest or taze and removing one of the easiest ways to evade it seems fair enough?.. Samp since it's creation had sawn off as one of the main weapons used and favorite of many players this is not limited to this server but the whole samp, Why would removing it in any logical sense bring something which is more fun?

I mentioned air duel, air robs because you said that its izi pizi to escape with helicopter/plane, it was like that you are always in an aircraft (some plane), but one out of dozen times I see a suspect in an aircraft.

No need to remove any guns in the game for some players to do that thing and it's not all players who even like this

Also, Pagati has no chance to take a hit if someone has swan off. So yeah.
Thanks!

I am amazed by that logic

Anyways -1 ofc and always negative from me