Removal of Swan Off

[Deadly]

No.
Has been here for ages and now you're crying about it.
No.

[Cyanide]

@shaco [li]Use other weapons or use the sawn off as it supposed to be used (with 4 shots)[/li]
No i don't wanna to lose my skills because here some nubs can't play with 2 shots
[li]Do you see your avatar? You have LSRCR written on a heart. So much for loyalty for the server if you leave because you can't switch a weapon to abuse a bug anymore ... [/li]
hmm first one i didn't put this for something else i just put it because i like this picture
[li]What you're saying right now is that you can't play without bug abusing. ''We are fucken cops and robbers too'' - Cops and Robbers wasn't created to be played this way. It should be more simple like this; Criminals commit crime > Criminals run away with a vehicle > Cops chases. Not duels in the middle of the streets. Look at all the narrow gaming in the server right now;

Criminal / LEO tries to escape in a car > Whip out the 2 shots
Criminal / LEO is on foot > Whip out the the 2shots
Don't like to duel > You're a noob/unskilled/pussy
*Gets arrested* > ''OMG LEARN TO DUEL NOOOOB''[/li]
hmmm if it's a half roleplay server and have a roleplay groups you can remove it from the roleplay groups and in CnR we need it and
Don't like to duel > You're a noob/unskilled/pussy
*Gets arrested* > ''OMG LEARN TO DUEL NOOOOB''
as you said here if someone say dat you can use /ignore or report him for provoking
hmm be4 i forget it no sawnoff = no fun - No duels just we will chase criminal and get tiers then arrest i can't see anything funny in that

[li]No one will play the server huh? I will be the first one playing if 2 shot gets removed actually. Look at my activity,dropping day by day. Last seen 17 days ago. Everytime i think of joining and clicking connect,i think of the current horrible combat. For all we know,we might be losing players because they think we're either cheating or bug abusing. They'll think that they joined in a DM server rather than a Roleplay Cops and Robbers server.[/li]
hmm will you be the first one who playing if 2 shots get removed ? hmm nice okay have fun and play with yourself, b4 you join please remove army faction from the server please
it's your activity i don't want to join in anything, wait wait wait did you say we might losing players because they think we're either cheating or bug abusing ?
okay okay are you sure from dat because anyone join the server like it because we didn't remove 2 shots, almost server cnr remove sawnoff and lost a big members from the server tell me who's left because we are bugin abuse and cheaters tell me okay i'm with you on cheaters but if admins are active the server will be cleaned from cheaters, Now i just can say cheaters 24/7 admins inactive, if it's a DM server as you said i don't think so it's a dm server because sawnoff here it's DM server because staff team removed anti-dm and if it's dm server why when i shot on white player he didn't take anything tell me.

[li]Just read everything over here - i can't explain anything more clearer than this > viewtopic.php?f=386&t=72599&start=110#p734409[/li] No thing to say because i forgot xDD
have fun and as [Lsrcr]Game said it's not gonna happend
that's enough,.

[The_Fury]

@ first part: I still can't understand how is this an insult? Also its none of your business. I can use whatever word I want.

The words you pick just shows your lack of maturity, I am not disallowing you to use any word .

That's what I am saying, lsrcr lied from the first place, I don't disagree on removing sawnoff but if they remove it they should remove many things with it just like shaco said, I think you cant disagree either.

I didn't see that Shaco wanted to remove anything from the server if sawnoff gets removed. Did you actually read it or not?

@3rd part: Why does it burn you lmao, I never asked for your correction however my definition of cnr is that cops chase robbers, tdm is team A against team B. I said cnr in lsrcr is more like tdm because in lsrcr criminals actually chase cops and vice versa but I never said in cnr. I meant in lsrcr.

I did not correct you by any chance. Instead of saying that apple is green, I said apple is fruit and has green colour.
tdm is an equal teams against each others vs cnr is cops chasing criminals (vice versa in this game law) is same. If cops are chasing suspects, cops are against suspects (also vice versa).

@4th part: When did I say I didn't do the test? I said you never know if I did it or not. Are you stupid or acting like a one?
Matter of fact its all about when you stop/ press the stop button I can re-do the test and I'm 100% sure it isn't 1 sec like you say.

Here Also I will quote drastic here " you never know" that's drastic's words to me on a situation between us. Thankfully, my IQ is above average, and I can read between lines unlike some of the people here. Since when taze has 15 different effects depends on the situation? Taze effect is always the same.

@ 5th part: You said shaco's points are valid, my points are similar to shaco's. Shaco said if they will remove sawn-off they shouldd remove/nerf other things so they can actually make lsrcr a real cnr server. So you argued yourself when you said my words aren't true but on the other hand, you said shaco's points are valid.

Your points are similar to Shaco's??? So you are for removing sawnoffs from the game? I am glad that you figured that out. Shaco never said to nerf/remove something else than sawnoffs (quote where did he mention the removal of a thing that is not sawnoff thing). You are blatantly lying now, good job mate.

My opinion about this whole thing: People come here to play cnr but actually lsrcr is more like a tdm bcz here criminals chase cops(cop hunting) the mode is cnr but it isn't actually cnr so lsrcr lied just like kaosx said. If they want to nerf sawnoff they should start removing specific things along with it so they can really make a cnr server.

The server is not CnR just because suspects are capable of killing cops in 1v1 situations (if both have same amout of HP), removing sawnoffs would make LSRCR a normal CnR server, because suspects would actually run away from cops, and cops should gladly chase them.

Because this thing won't happen, most probably, LSRCR will be dying slowly, because no new players will come (those who come will leave because they'll get chased by suspects - lolz and seniors will leave because life).

I stated my points/opinion whether you like it or not, just don't reply again because im bored from these arguments.

As long as your opinion is based on lies and as long as you are failing to quote me when you are asked for, expect me to reply back. I thought that we just got started

@ first part: Why do you care? I act like I want to.

@2nd part: I did read it and he said that at the bottom/middle I cant quote( from phone)
@3rd part: What? Idk what are you trying to say but I can say definitions of a thing based on my opinion so why does it burn you? Lul.
@4th part: Why did you put the IQ level of yours here? Not like I want to know it lul. Also what do you mean with 15 effect? I never said anything about 15 effect lol.
@5th part: Yes I'm for removing sawnoff from the game but along with nerfing/removing many things which makes lsrcr a tdm server instead of A cnr server.
@6th part: I agree with you in this one but seriously many other things makes lsrcr a tdm server not only sawn-off. Removing sawnoff can be a start though.
@7th part: I can't believe how much you are close minded. Its all opinions and opinions can be different but according to yourself, your opinion is right but I say it is not full right. You see? Its all opinions i don't know why does it burn you? You don't have to quote me if u see my opinion is a lie you can just state your opinion but no you want to argue hahah, pathetic. From now on I will be using the say "the best answer on the stupid is silence" ooo burn bud.

[The_Fury]

- Breathes in -

Alright time to post my opinion,long post incoming - read it all if you're going to reply back. Not going to change any players minds but whoever voted negative (-1) should read this. Here we go;

• Me,Myself and I - G-Eazy ft. Bebe Rexha
  Personally,I'm barely playing Los Santos Roleplay Cops and Robbers (LSRCR) anymore. Look at my activity, last online 10 days ago. The combat sucks,not going to lie. What's the point in playing as a criminal if i'm going to get raped by 2shots by 2 or more Law Enforcements (Cops,SWAT and Army). And what's the point in playing as a law enforcement if i'm going to get raped by 2 shots from a gang of criminals. Lately,everytime [Lsrcr]Shaco logs in-game is to host some events and roam around. That's it.
  

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• LSRCR!!!!!
  LSRCR was always a light roleplay server but that doesn't mean that the word roleplay stand for nothing. The sawn off 2 shot was always around LSRCR and it's not something that we should remove just like that however,right now,on the 19th of June 2016,90% of the server uses it to attack / defend themselves. The gameplay has been literally narrowed down to one weapon. It's the most overused weapon without no doubt. *THIS ISN'T HOW YOU PLAY A ROLEPLAY COPS AND ROBBERS SERVER.
  
  *An old player's post by Axu. So fuckin' on point
  Spoiler: show

  This thing feels like the removing of deagle-db. The people who want to keep it the same are the main users (and abusers) of it, and since they have grown too much into it, they can't play the game otherwise.
  
  Why the hell are you afraid of this change? Sawnoff is A SINGLE weapon. There are other weapons for a reason, and there is a reason many many other servers do not have dual-wield sawnoffs, even sawnoffs at all. Like mentioned, actual tactics would have to be implemented (might sound weird word for you guys who know only words duel and no commands).
  
  I didn't even think of this beforehand, since I had grown used to it as well. But when you actually think about how it is currently it is ridiculous. They suck up the joy and diversity from the gameplay, narrowing it down to the "golden road". Face it, sawnoff is overpowered as a dual-wield weapon, and nothing else is used in combat. Chasing a criminal? Sawnoff his back. Criminal entered a car? Sawnoff three combos and the car is destroyed. Narrow gaming, narrow gaming, narrow gaming.
  
  But if you like narrow games, be my guest. Plenty of FPS's out there, but SA is not supposed to be played like that. It is meant to be played with diversity, with tactics, with balance. Rockstar did not have multiplayer combat in mind when they designed sawnoff, for a reason, and SAMP did neither, when it set the default weapon skill full on every weapon.
  
  As said, I too hate the fact that arresting and commands are labeled as pussy moves, since they are the only thing that currently counters the sawnoff-meta. I rarely see a criminal that actually tries to escape, when his vehicle has blown up. Oh no, he whips out the sawnoff and I have to duel this guy since the candy god invented pinball machine and the government of Moon is corrupt.
  
  if I didnt make myself clear, you have all my plus-ones that I have ever had possibility to give.
  
  
  and since pain posted while doing this: I've been using all guns for 5 years, including sawnoff. Why is it so hard to develop some new tactics? Don't sawnoffs get boring after the millionth buck you have aimed at general direction of your target? Like said, fightclubs are open for your kind of people. You can shoot each other with another million bucks, but you do not need to narrow everyone elses game.

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• DUDE SAWN OFF IS THE ONLY WEAPON I USE TO NOT GET ARRESTED IN 1 SEC AND YOU WANNA REMOVE IT?!?!?!?
  We can always nerf and rework the arresting system and make it more challenging. I think we can all agree that the arresting system is way too easy.
  

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• Adapting & moving on
  A lot of default sa-mp building have been removed due to players bases. The great LSRCR Volcano was removed,we missed it but we moved on. Some of the players (happened to Syshad so i'm going to speak in his perspective on this one) lost his house because of a base,he didn't like idea that he lost his house but he moved on. A lot of players liked deagle drive-by,when it got removed everyone wanted it back but everyone moved on. Some players like c-bug but it's forbidden so we have to move on. Adapt and move on.
  

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• Why is 2 shot allowed and c-bug isn't?
  A lot of players say that the sawn off 2 shot creates a whole new different and more competitive gameplay ,without no doubt this is true but in that case shouldn't that apply to c-bug aswell? I tell you why c-bug is forbidden, It's forbidden because it's a bug and an overpowered / imbalanced way of killing others. I know players in this server that use c-bug and they are very good at it but they don't use it here since it's forbidden. They accepted the fact that it's not fair to abuse a bug in order to kill others.
  

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• Would we lose players if 2 shot gets removed?
  In my opinion,this server has took bigger risks than this; Global unban,removal of deagle db etc. I don't necessarily think we would lose a lot of players. If the true community members really respect and want to stay loyal to the server,they stay and accept the fact that the 2 shot is a game bug and move on. It would be utterly ridiculous to leave because of a bug. There's a chance we would gain new players because there would be less bug abuse around the server. Which brings me to the next point.
  

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• My personal observation as an admin / losing players
  The past few weeks and back when i was admin in 2012-2013 whenever I spectated someone using 2 shot on someone who has 0/low score and dies he /q's and doesn't even reconnect. Automatically he thinks that guy is abusing a bug when in the LSRCR rules there is written that we do not tolerate bug exploits. He gets a bad impression of the server and leave. Do you blame him? Not at all since he is new and doesn't know what's going on. Trust me you will be amazed how much this happens. This probably happens on daily basis now.
  

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• Understand this: Not everyone likes to duel with sawn offs. Hell,this isn't a dueling / DM server so it's not it's place in LSRCR after all. Right now,if you don't know how to use the sawn off 2-shot you're considered a noob/unskilled player. I don't know if my logic is retarded but abusing a bug to kill others isn't a professional way to win,no?
  
  P.S - If a cop arrests a player using 2 shot,he isn't a pussy or a noob. Most probably he doesn't know how to 2 shot and his only option is to arrest. Can't blame him.
  

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• Other suggestions:
  -We can keep sawn off 2 shot in fightclubs (for those who want to duel) and in duel events hosted by admins
  -We can keep the sawn off weapons but can't use the 2 shot bug (like we keep the desert eagle without the c-bug)
  -We can limit the sawn off to a one hand weapon - viewtopic.php?f=386&t=72715

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Hope you survived the long post :smile5:

Here, a valid proof my points were similar to shaco's.
So kaosx was pretty arguing himself all the time haha.

[RollinZo]

-1 Fuck off -_-' we need swan off it's make the game good and will let us play more to get some skills also fuck No
if this suggestion accepted :disappointed3:
than add grenade,Knief,molotov and Spray and why not add mimigun -_-'

[Jaker]

And right now its not DM server. like, the f?ck you talking about dude. if it was dm then everyone could be killing everyone like assholes.

Play more on the server and you'll be surprised how much DM is on it nowadays.

[Cyanide]

@ first part: I still can't understand how is this an insult? Also its none of your business. I can use whatever word I want.

The words you pick just shows your lack of maturity, I am not disallowing you to use any word .

That's what I am saying, lsrcr lied from the first place, I don't disagree on removing sawnoff but if they remove it they should remove many things with it just like shaco said, I think you cant disagree either.

I didn't see that Shaco wanted to remove anything from the server if sawnoff gets removed. Did you actually read it or not?

@3rd part: Why does it burn you lmao, I never asked for your correction however my definition of cnr is that cops chase robbers, tdm is team A against team B. I said cnr in lsrcr is more like tdm because in lsrcr criminals actually chase cops and vice versa but I never said in cnr. I meant in lsrcr.

I did not correct you by any chance. Instead of saying that apple is green, I said apple is fruit and has green colour.
tdm is an equal teams against each others vs cnr is cops chasing criminals (vice versa in this game law) is same. If cops are chasing suspects, cops are against suspects (also vice versa).

@4th part: When did I say I didn't do the test? I said you never know if I did it or not. Are you stupid or acting like a one?
Matter of fact its all about when you stop/ press the stop button I can re-do the test and I'm 100% sure it isn't 1 sec like you say.

Here Also I will quote drastic here " you never know" that's drastic's words to me on a situation between us. Thankfully, my IQ is above average, and I can read between lines unlike some of the people here. Since when taze has 15 different effects depends on the situation? Taze effect is always the same.

@ 5th part: You said shaco's points are valid, my points are similar to shaco's. Shaco said if they will remove sawn-off they shouldd remove/nerf other things so they can actually make lsrcr a real cnr server. So you argued yourself when you said my words aren't true but on the other hand, you said shaco's points are valid.

Your points are similar to Shaco's??? So you are for removing sawnoffs from the game? I am glad that you figured that out. Shaco never said to nerf/remove something else than sawnoffs (quote where did he mention the removal of a thing that is not sawnoff thing). You are blatantly lying now, good job mate.

My opinion about this whole thing: People come here to play cnr but actually lsrcr is more like a tdm bcz here criminals chase cops(cop hunting) the mode is cnr but it isn't actually cnr so lsrcr lied just like kaosx said. If they want to nerf sawnoff they should start removing specific things along with it so they can really make a cnr server.

The server is not CnR just because suspects are capable of killing cops in 1v1 situations (if both have same amout of HP), removing sawnoffs would make LSRCR a normal CnR server, because suspects would actually run away from cops, and cops should gladly chase them.

Because this thing won't happen, most probably, LSRCR will be dying slowly, because no new players will come (those who come will leave because they'll get chased by suspects - lolz and seniors will leave because life).

I stated my points/opinion whether you like it or not, just don't reply again because im bored from these arguments.

As long as your opinion is based on lies and as long as you are failing to quote me when you are asked for, expect me to reply back. I thought that we just got started

@ first part: Why do you care? I act like I want to.

@2nd part: I did read it and he said that at the bottom/middle I cant quote( from phone)
@3rd part: What? Idk what are you trying to say but I can say definitions of a thing based on my opinion so why does it burn you? Lul.
@4th part: Why did you put the IQ level of yours here? Not like I want to know it lul. Also what do you mean with 15 effect? I never said anything about 15 effect lol.
@5th part: Yes I'm for removing sawnoff from the game but along with nerfing/removing many things which makes lsrcr a tdm server instead of A cnr server.
@6th part: I agree with you in this one but seriously many other things makes lsrcr a tdm server not only sawn-off. Removing sawnoff can be a start though.
@7th part: I can't believe how much you are close minded. Its all opinions and opinions can be different but according to yourself, your opinion is right but I say it is not full right. You see? Its all opinions i don't know why does it burn you? You don't have to quote me if u see my opinion is a lie you can just state your opinion but no you want to argue hahah, pathetic. From now on I will be using the say "the best answer on the stupid is silence" ooo burn bud.

So bored to read anyways, you Left the server don't post here it's my answer in all dat

[Cyanide]

Not gonna happend

[The_Fury]

@dracola: I will/can post any times here, you are not the one who decides otherwise. I will tell you simple steps btw.
1- stop escaping your English classes and learn English.

2- hit puberty then come talk to me.

3- read my posts because you don't even know on which side I am.

[[MOB]ibrar.123]

Why not remove yourself from lsrcr?
Cause all of your suggestions are against the real and main soul of lsrcr.
Wtf is to remove sawnoffs
Just because you cant use them doesnt mean it must be removed