God's Existence

[Nikola]

You're literally proving Nik's point. If nothing can not make something, then who created God? If there was nothing to make God, he doesn't exist just like your argument states (You cannot make something with nothing). And if he does in fact exist, what made him?

God has always been here and so were we. I am trying to say this, you cannot create anything with nothing (what is the beginning of space)?

Origin of space is The Big Bang and the reason for it to take place was called quantum fluctuations. If you don't knkw what that is, use WikiPedia. Before the Big Bang all matter and energy (both are the same thing) was concentrated in a single point. And after it, for every 1000001 matter particles that was created, only 1000000 anti-matter particle was created due to the same quantum fluctuations. This imbalance, over time created everything we know in the universe. The remaining matter and anti-matter anhilated up. God didn't make the galaxies, stars and planets. The Big Bang did. So there is no God.

Even though I am pro science, and logically am more believing of scientific discovery of everything, let's not neglect that science is as well a branch of human creation. One man made a theory of quantum physics, and from it confirmations, and labels of things that have been discovered within quantum research.

We will never get the answer, at least we won't this current generation, because once we find out what exactly happened, there will always be another possibility, another key-whole in which science will have to look, because we don't know what created the universe/space, we proved that is exists, again exclamation on word 'we', we labeled it.

My point is, the only logical creator here is human, and our developed brain. Many years ago one human preached of God, same as the man who preached of science, both cannot be proven, and never will be. So let's not say he does or does not exist, I understand Oggy where you're coming from, but science is fragile on these grounds too.

I am mostly pro human choice, you chose what you believe in, but respect others and be polite to them, regardless of their preference.

[[Lsrcr]Oggy]

God has always been here and so were we. I am trying to say this, you cannot create anything with nothing (what is the beginning of space)?

Origin of space is The Big Bang and the reason for it to take place was called quantum fluctuations. If you don't knkw what that is, use WikiPedia. Before the Big Bang all matter and energy (both are the same thing) was concentrated in a single point. And after it, for every 1000001 matter particles that was created, only 1000000 anti-matter particle was created due to the same quantum fluctuations. This imbalance, over time created everything we know in the universe. The remaining matter and anti-matter anhilated up. God didn't make the galaxies, stars and planets. The Big Bang did. So there is no God.

Even though I am pro science, and logically am more believing of scientific discovery of everything, let's not neglect that science is as well a branch of human creation. One man made a theory of quantum physics, and from it confirmations, and labels of things that have been discovered within quantum research.

We will never get the answer, at least we won't this current generation, because once we find out what exactly happened, there will always be another possibility, another key-whole in which science will have to look, because we don't know what created the universe/space, we proved that is exists, again exclamation on word 'we', we labeled it.

My point is, the only logical creator here is human, and our developed brain. Many years ago one human preached of God, same as the man who preached of science, both cannot be proven, and never will be. So let's not say he does or does not exist, I understand Oggy where you're coming from, but science is fragile on these grounds too.

I am mostly pro human choice, you chose what you believe in, but respect others and be polite to them, regardless of their preference.

But there's a difference between science and God even though both were created by humans. One can be proven while the other cannot be. I DON'T respect the belief that God exists and those who who believes in God. Let me tell you why.

Niel Armstrong was a very brave and strong person. He went to the moon in 1969. In 1969! Space travel back then wasn't as safe as it is today. But still he was willing to risk his life to open a new door for mankind. But what did he get after he returned? Humiliation and embarassment as well as popularity and respect. We rewarded him for his courageous act by humiliating him and calling him a liar. He spent the rest of his life humiliated and embarassed. He died being called a liar by many.

The reason for this is religion and God. Some religions think moon as their God (not going to mention names) so they started the moon landing conspiracy theory because it's a matter of existance of their religion. A brave soul's life was ruined because of religions and God. This is why I don't respect those who believe in God.

Check out this video. It made me so angry that I'd have punched him to death if I was in the room with them.

[Nikola]

I agree, but the problem there are the people, as always. If you observe religions, even though they are different, they do tend to follow lots of same lines, in terms of not harming others, loving your neighbor, respecting everyone, after all we are all God's children.

But you have many wars caused by it. God is one, religion is other, religion is a brain-wash, not many can see it, but which better example than the wars, Crusades, Jihad, that way of extermination those who do not follow your own path. By God's rules you shouldn't harm others, and generally God is Love, it is the message that Love does concur all, and to find love is to find God and vice versa.

Again, brainwashed sheep are the problem here, there isn't a worse thing in this world than us, humans.

As for Niel, great injustice has been made, but do not get mad over it, those people knew no better with their closed minds, but to curse him and say he was a fraud, even though he did a great deal for science and humanity.

On he bright side, religion is becoming more and more obsolete, because people have access to more information now, and are generally more educated than before, and more and more people chose not to follow it. Instead they follow the general social rules which aid respect, love, and making ourselves more tolerant and respectful to others. Ironically making us more close, without the religion.

[Immortal]

The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. If God so desired, he could simply appear and prove to the whole world that he exists. But if he did that, there would be no need for faith. If God did not exist, then God would not be the greatest conceivable being, and that would contradict the very definition of God.

Since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer. For example, if the Earth were significantly closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, nearly every living thing on earth would die.

Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from him. If God exists, then we are accountable to him for our actions. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution - it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that he exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove his existence is in fact an argument for his existence.

How do we know God exists? As Christians, we know God exists because we speak to him every day. We do not audibly hear him speaking to us, but we sense his presence, we feel his leading, we know his love, we desire his grace. Things have occurred in our lives that have no possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved us and changed our lives that we cannot help but acknowledge and praise his existence. None of these arguments can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is already obvious. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith. Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark; it is safe step into a well-lit room where the vast majority of people are already standing.

[Nikola]

That is your opinion, and it is correct, for you. I disagree with many things in it, but you are right, it works for you, go for it. Still, respect non-believers, and don't state that everyone believes in him, since if that was the case, we wouldn't be constantly debating it.

[Diplomatic.]

Have you ever read the Quran?
Read it and translate a sentence of it and you'll know if there is a God or not.
Who made this world?
Who made the sun?
Who made the stars in the darkness?
Who made you and the humans?
Who made the animals?
Who made the Water?
Who made the Oxygen that you cannot breathe without it? (No life without it)
Who made every single organism in your body to bring your son(s)/daughter(s)?
Another billion things which have a proof that there is a God to believe by!
Try to go in the deep of thinking about everything's around you..!

[Immortal]

That is your opinion, and it is correct, for you. I disagree with many things in it, but you are right, it works for you, go for it. Still, respect non-believers, and don't state that everyone believes in him, since if that was the case, we wouldn't be constantly debating it.

I do respect non-believers. Every person has his own point of view.

[[Lsrcr]Oggy]

Have you ever read the Quran?
Read it and translate a sentence of it and you'll know if there is a God or not.
Who made this world?
Who made the sun?
Who made the stars in the darkness?
Who made you and the humans?
Who made the animals?
Who made the Water?
Who made the Oxygen that you cannot breathe without it? (No life without it)
Who made every single organism in your body to bring your son(s)/daughter(s)?
Another billion things which have a proof that there is a God to believe by!
Try to go in the deep of thinking about everything's around you..!

The Big Bang made the world.

A nebula in the Milky Way made the sun.

Stars are formed in nebulas and they shine in the darkness because they emit the energy produced in their core due to nuclear fusion as electronamgnetic radiation.

I was made because my dad and mom got horny one night LOL.

Evolution created and moulded thd animals.

The Oxygen we breathe was made in stars due to nuclear fusion and got spread everywhere because of supernovae.

Whatever you list, I can give you a scientific explaination for it.

[Immortal]

This is why I don't respect those dickheads who believe in God.

I request action to be taken on this. Why he has no respect and calls us dickheads?

[[Lsrcr]Oggy]

This is why I don't respect those dickheads who believe in God.

I request action to be taken on this. Why he has no respect and calls us dickheads?

I didn't mean believers on this forum. I was talking about those believers in the story.