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Post by StephenKelly » June 26, 2017, 9:40 am
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No. Science & religion is two different things. Science is existing on earth to prove correct that was said 1400+ years ago but there are people who hide the reality.
This didn't answer my question at all man, please try to give a straight answer... I hate riddles
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Post by Sonit » June 26, 2017, 9:46 am
StephenKelly wrote:
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No. Science & religion is two different things. Science is existing on earth to prove correct that was said 1400+ years ago but there are people who hide the reality.
This didn't answer my question at all man, please try to give a straight answer... I hate riddles
Please try to elaborate what are you asking.
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Post by [Lsrcr]Oggy » June 26, 2017, 9:50 am
Sonit wrote:
StephenKelly wrote:
Sonit wrote:
No. Science & religion is two different things. Science is existing on earth to prove correct that was said 1400+ years ago but there are people who hide the reality.
This didn't answer my question at all man, please try to give a straight answer... I hate riddles
Please try to elaborate what are you asking.
He's talking about the difference between a science book and a religious book. In science, we encourage people to look for any error to make it perfect. But do these religious books do that?
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Post by Sonit » June 26, 2017, 9:54 am
LOL
If something is written by a GOD who makes everything, this universe, planets, human beings, so his book would be with errors?
Nope.
And It has been written in Quran that All the human beings of Universe Together with all the Ghosts can't compile a grammar that is used in Quran.
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Post by [Lsrcr]Oggy » June 26, 2017, 10:02 am
Sonit wrote:
LOL
If something is written by a GOD who makes everything, this universe, planets, human beings, so his book would be with errors?
Nope.
And It has been written in Quran that All the human beings of Universe Together with all the Ghosts can't compile a grammar that is used in Quran.
Quran doesn't contain errors? Look what I found! Errors in Quran in different aspects:-
1 Astronomy
1.1 Geocentricism
1.2 Setting and Rising Place of the Sun
1.3 Stars are Missiles Shot at Devils
1.4 Earth and Heavens Created in Six Days
1.5 Earth Created before Stars
1.5.1 Earth and Heavens were Ripped Apart
1.5.2 Universe was Made from Smoke
1.6 Seven Earths
1.7 Seven Heavens
1.8 Stars are Located in the Nearest Heaven
1.9 The similar size and distance of the sun and moon
1.10 The Moon's light
1.11 Moon was Split in Two
1.12 Sky is a Tent/Dome
1.13 Sky is a guarded canopy
1.14 Sky can Fall Down on People
1.15 Sky can be Rolled Up
1.16 The Stars Will Fall
1.17 The Cause of Shadows Changing Length
1.18 Ignorance of the North and South Poles
2 Biology
2.1 Evolution
2.1.1 Human Creation from Clay
2.1.2 First Humans: Adam and Eve
2.2 Embryology
2.2.1 Sperm Originates Between the Backbone and Ribs
2.2.2 Embryo is Initially Formed from Semen
2.2.3 No Mention of Female Ovum
2.2.4 Humans Created from a Clot of Blood
2.2.5 Gender of a Baby is Decided After it Becomes a Clot
2.2.6 Bones are Formed before Flesh
2.3 All Organisms are Created in Pairs
2.4 Fetus is in Three Layers of darkness
2.5 Functions of the Heart
2.6 Source and Purity of Milk
3 Geology and Meteorology
3.1 The Earth is Flat
3.1.1 Facing Toward Mecca
3.1.2 Fasting and Prayer Requirements Near the Poles
3.1.3 Earth is Spread Out and Flat
3.1.4 The Earth is a carpet
3.1.5 Earth is Like a Couch
3.1.6 Earth is a Bed
3.1.7 The Earth was stretched out
3.1.8 Earth is a Level Plain
3.2 Earth has Seven Atmospheric Layers
3.3 Permanent Barrier between Fresh and Salt Water
3.4 Mountains Prevent Earthquakes
3.5 Mountains Cast into the Earth
3.6 Chest Contracts with Altitude
3.7 Earthquakes are a Punishment from God
3.8 Hurricanes and Blizzards are a Punishment from God
3.9 Rainwater is Pure
3.10 No Evaporation in Water Cycle
3.11 Hail Comes from Mountains in the Sky
3.12 Allah Uses Thunderbolts to Smite People
4 Zoology
4.1 Ants Recognize Humans and Speak with Each Other
4.2 Only Four / Eight Types of Cattle
4.3 Horses Created as Transportation
4.4 All Animals Live in Communities
4.5 Bird Flight is a Miracle
4.6 Birth Defects and Imperfections
4.7 Poisonous Sea Life is Edible
5 History
5.1 Wall of Iron between Two Mountains
5.2 Christians Worship Mary as Part of the Trinity
5.3 Samaritans existing in ancient Egypt
5.4 Mary Confused with Miriam
5.5 Coat of Mail was Invented during the Reign of David
5.6 Crucifixions in Ancient Egypt
5.7 Noah's Flood
5.8 Noah's Ark holds Every Species
5.9 Pharaoh or Pharaohs
5.10 Jews call Ezra the Son of God
5.11 Nobody before John the Baptist was given the name "John"
5.12 Supernatural Destruction of Cities
5.13 Humans can Live for a Thousand Years
5.14 Non-Existent Mosque in Jerusalem
6 Sociology
6.1 People are Protected in Mecca
6.2 Requirement to Learn in Arabic
7 Myths and Legendary Tales
7.1 Humans Transformed into Apes
7.2 Golden Calf Statue Moos
7.3 Tribe Trapped Behind a Wall
7.4 Supernatural Food
7.5 A Stick Transforms into a Serpent
7.6 Solomon's Army of Genies and Birds
7.7 Jonah Performs Repentance inside a Fish
7.8 Muhammad Flies on a Winged Horse to Heaven
7.9 Body Parts Speak
7.10 The Ocean Split in Half
7.11 Solomon can Control the Wind
7.12 A Dead Man Testified against his Killer
7.13 Mountains and Birds can Sing Songs
8 Others
8.1 Linguistics
8.2 Mathematical Error in Hereditary Laws
8.3 People use the Forehead to Lie
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Post by Sonit » June 26, 2017, 10:08 am
I haven't read all that nor I'll read it. I am better with the knowledge I have right now. And As I've seen those aspects of yours, so when I'll answer them they'll look like Impossible things on Earth. I mean like you wont believe on those answers. Moreover, I am not a professional, authentic Islamic scholar or something. I am a small Muslim who keeps little knowledge about Islam which is enough for him to spend his life, make a better happenings in life hereafter, You may need some Islamic Scholar for better answers on those things which I am actually not.
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Post by GreaTSaN » June 26, 2017, 11:37 am
StephenKelly wrote:
GreaTSaN wrote:
StephenKelly wrote:
He seems to dodge the question a lot and just refer to the Quran instead.

Referring to an old book blindly without any self thought or personal views isn't really a valid argument in my opinion.

The power you all give to this guy is honestly frightening
Well who's believing in this book blindly? I've done research on this before actually started following it.
What other proof is there besides the books though, is the're another source of information to compare the Qur'an too?
First and most you can't find any mistakes in the Qur'an and if you do so, let me know. Second of all, Qur'an is a book of signs not a book of science but it contains lots of scientific facts which were impossible to know 1400 years back. Qur'an talks about astronomy, who could have known that in 1400 years back? All the information which you find in Qur'an can be compared with Science and you wouldn't get any negative response except a YES. Tell me any scientific fact which goes against the Qur'an? Have you read Qur'an yourself once so you could actually get to know what it's really about?

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Post by [Lsrcr]Oggy » June 26, 2017, 11:43 am
GreaTSaN wrote:
StephenKelly wrote:
GreaTSaN wrote:
Well who's believing in this book blindly? I've done research on this before actually started following it.
What other proof is there besides the books though, is the're another source of information to compare the Qur'an too?
First and most you can't find any mistakes in the Qur'an and if you do so, let me know. Second of all, Qur'an is a book of signs not a book of science but it contains lots of scientific facts which were impossible to know 1400 years back. Qur'an talks about astronomy, who could have known that in 1400 years back? All the information which you find in Qur'an can be compared with Science and you wouldn't get any negative response except a YES. Tell me any scientific fact which goes against the Qur'an? Have you read Qur'an yourself once so you could actually get to know what it's really about?
1 Astronomy
1.1 Geocentricism
1.2 Setting and Rising Place of the Sun
1.3 Stars are Missiles Shot at Devils
1.4 Earth and Heavens Created in Six Days
1.5 Earth Created before Stars
1.5.1 Earth and Heavens were Ripped Apart
1.5.2 Universe was Made from Smoke
1.6 Seven Earths
1.7 Seven Heavens
1.8 Stars are Located in the Nearest Heaven
1.9 The similar size and distance of the sun and moon
1.10 The Moon's light
1.11 Moon was Split in Two
1.12 Sky is a Tent/Dome
1.13 Sky is a guarded canopy
1.14 Sky can Fall Down on People
1.15 Sky can be Rolled Up
1.16 The Stars Will Fall
1.17 The Cause of Shadows Changing Length
1.18 Ignorance of the North and South Poles
2 Biology
2.1 Evolution
2.1.1 Human Creation from Clay
2.1.2 First Humans: Adam and Eve
2.2 Embryology
2.2.1 Sperm Originates Between the Backbone and Ribs
2.2.2 Embryo is Initially Formed from Semen
2.2.3 No Mention of Female Ovum
2.2.4 Humans Created from a Clot of Blood
2.2.5 Gender of a Baby is Decided After it Becomes a Clot
2.2.6 Bones are Formed before Flesh
2.3 All Organisms are Created in Pairs
2.4 Fetus is in Three Layers of darkness
2.5 Functions of the Heart
2.6 Source and Purity of Milk
3 Geology and Meteorology
3.1 The Earth is Flat
3.1.1 Facing Toward Mecca
3.1.2 Fasting and Prayer Requirements Near the Poles
3.1.3 Earth is Spread Out and Flat
3.1.4 The Earth is a carpet
3.1.5 Earth is Like a Couch
3.1.6 Earth is a Bed
3.1.7 The Earth was stretched out
3.1.8 Earth is a Level Plain
3.2 Earth has Seven Atmospheric Layers
3.3 Permanent Barrier between Fresh and Salt Water
3.4 Mountains Prevent Earthquakes
3.5 Mountains Cast into the Earth
3.6 Chest Contracts with Altitude
3.7 Earthquakes are a Punishment from God
3.8 Hurricanes and Blizzards are a Punishment from God
3.9 Rainwater is Pure
3.10 No Evaporation in Water Cycle
3.11 Hail Comes from Mountains in the Sky
3.12 Allah Uses Thunderbolts to Smite People
4 Zoology
4.1 Ants Recognize Humans and Speak with Each Other
4.2 Only Four / Eight Types of Cattle
4.3 Horses Created as Transportation
4.4 All Animals Live in Communities
4.5 Bird Flight is a Miracle
4.6 Birth Defects and Imperfections
4.7 Poisonous Sea Life is Edible
5 History
5.1 Wall of Iron between Two Mountains
5.2 Christians Worship Mary as Part of the Trinity
5.3 Samaritans existing in ancient Egypt
5.4 Mary Confused with Miriam
5.5 Coat of Mail was Invented during the Reign of David
5.6 Crucifixions in Ancient Egypt
5.7 Noah's Flood
5.8 Noah's Ark holds Every Species
5.9 Pharaoh or Pharaohs
5.10 Jewish people call Ezra the Son of God
5.11 Nobody before John the Baptist was given the name "John"
5.12 Supernatural Destruction of Cities
5.13 Humans can Live for a Thousand Years
5.14 Non-Existent Mosque in Jerusalem
6 Sociology
6.1 People are Protected in Mecca
6.2 Requirement to Learn in Arabic
7 Myths and Legendary Tales
7.1 Humans Transformed into Apes
7.2 Golden Calf Statue Moos
7.3 Tribe Trapped Behind a Wall
7.4 Supernatural Food
7.5 A Stick Transforms into a Serpent
7.6 Solomon's Army of Genies and Birds
7.7 Jonah Performs Repentance inside a Fish
7.8 Muhammad Flies on a Winged Horse to Heaven
7.9 Body Parts Speak
7.10 The Ocean Split in Half
7.11 Solomon can Control the Wind
7.12 A Dead Man Testified against his Killer
7.13 Mountains and Birds can Sing Songs
8 Others
8.1 Linguistics
8.2 Mathematical Error in Hereditary Laws
8.3 People use the Forehead to Lie
Explain?
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Post by OsamaAbouelhassan » June 26, 2017, 11:50 am
[Lsrcr]Oggy wrote:
Sonit wrote:
LOL
If something is written by a GOD who makes everything, this universe, planets, human beings, so his book would be with errors?
Nope.
And It has been written in Quran that All the human beings of Universe Together with all the Ghosts can't compile a grammar that is used in Quran.
Quran doesn't contain errors? Look what I found! Errors in Quran in different aspects:-
1 Astronomy
1.1 Geocentricism
1.2 Setting and Rising Place of the Sun
1.3 Stars are Missiles Shot at Devils
1.4 Earth and Heavens Created in Six Days
1.5 Earth Created before Stars
1.5.1 Earth and Heavens were Ripped Apart
1.5.2 Universe was Made from Smoke
1.6 Seven Earths
1.7 Seven Heavens
1.8 Stars are Located in the Nearest Heaven
1.9 The similar size and distance of the sun and moon
1.10 The Moon's light
1.11 Moon was Split in Two
1.12 Sky is a Tent/Dome
1.13 Sky is a guarded canopy
1.14 Sky can Fall Down on People
1.15 Sky can be Rolled Up
1.16 The Stars Will Fall
1.17 The Cause of Shadows Changing Length
1.18 Ignorance of the North and South Poles
2 Biology
2.1 Evolution
2.1.1 Human Creation from Clay
2.1.2 First Humans: Adam and Eve
2.2 Embryology
2.2.1 Sperm Originates Between the Backbone and Ribs
2.2.2 Embryo is Initially Formed from Semen
2.2.3 No Mention of Female Ovum
2.2.4 Humans Created from a Clot of Blood
2.2.5 Gender of a Baby is Decided After it Becomes a Clot
2.2.6 Bones are Formed before Flesh
2.3 All Organisms are Created in Pairs
2.4 Fetus is in Three Layers of darkness
2.5 Functions of the Heart
2.6 Source and Purity of Milk
3 Geology and Meteorology
3.1 The Earth is Flat
3.1.1 Facing Toward Mecca
3.1.2 Fasting and Prayer Requirements Near the Poles
3.1.3 Earth is Spread Out and Flat
3.1.4 The Earth is a carpet
3.1.5 Earth is Like a Couch
3.1.6 Earth is a Bed
3.1.7 The Earth was stretched out
3.1.8 Earth is a Level Plain
3.2 Earth has Seven Atmospheric Layers
3.3 Permanent Barrier between Fresh and Salt Water
3.4 Mountains Prevent Earthquakes
3.5 Mountains Cast into the Earth
3.6 Chest Contracts with Altitude
3.7 Earthquakes are a Punishment from God
3.8 Hurricanes and Blizzards are a Punishment from God
3.9 Rainwater is Pure
3.10 No Evaporation in Water Cycle
3.11 Hail Comes from Mountains in the Sky
3.12 Allah Uses Thunderbolts to Smite People
4 Zoology
4.1 Ants Recognize Humans and Speak with Each Other
4.2 Only Four / Eight Types of Cattle
4.3 Horses Created as Transportation
4.4 All Animals Live in Communities
4.5 Bird Flight is a Miracle
4.6 Birth Defects and Imperfections
4.7 Poisonous Sea Life is Edible
5 History
5.1 Wall of Iron between Two Mountains
5.2 Christians Worship Mary as Part of the Trinity
5.3 Samaritans existing in ancient Egypt
5.4 Mary Confused with Miriam
5.5 Coat of Mail was Invented during the Reign of David
5.6 Crucifixions in Ancient Egypt
5.7 Noah's Flood
5.8 Noah's Ark holds Every Species
5.9 Pharaoh or Pharaohs
5.10 Jewish people call Ezra the Son of God
5.11 Nobody before John the Baptist was given the name "John"
5.12 Supernatural Destruction of Cities
5.13 Humans can Live for a Thousand Years
5.14 Non-Existent Mosque in Jerusalem
6 Sociology
6.1 People are Protected in Mecca
6.2 Requirement to Learn in Arabic
7 Myths and Legendary Tales
7.1 Humans Transformed into Apes
7.2 Golden Calf Statue Moos
7.3 Tribe Trapped Behind a Wall
7.4 Supernatural Food
7.5 A Stick Transforms into a Serpent
7.6 Solomon's Army of Genies and Birds
7.7 Jonah Performs Repentance inside a Fish
7.8 Muhammad Flies on a Winged Horse to Heaven
7.9 Body Parts Speak
7.10 The Ocean Split in Half
7.11 Solomon can Control the Wind
7.12 A Dead Man Testified against his Killer
7.13 Mountains and Birds can Sing Songs
8 Others
8.1 Linguistics
8.2 Mathematical Error in Hereditary Laws
8.3 People use the Forehead to Lie
Okay it will take an era to reply to each of the mentioned above, specially with my poor English, some of them are true and some aren't (internet stuff), I'll pick an example or two but before that let me tell you general things you need to know, according to Islam God sent many prophets and messengers to the people and has given them an or many extra ordinary abilities (because people requested a solid proof that God existed), Solomon was given control of the wind besides many Jinn to do his orders and ability to speak to animals and insects, that's one of the examples, all extraordinary powers given (miracles) are all over and won't happen again except for one miracle that will never end, it is Prophet Muhammad's miracle, the Quran, 1400 years passed and this miracle is still here, Quran is a miracle because it's the most eloquent book of Arabic grammar (free of any mistakes) and the stories it contains, so you should know that miracles took place under the supervision of Allah himself and not random things told.

I'll pick an example or two as I stated.

3.3 Is mentioned in Quran and proven scientifically >> https://www.google.com.eg/imgres?imgurl ... mrc&uact=8


4.1 There is a story of Solomon walking with his army when an ant saw them and asked the other ants to enter their homes in order not to be crushed by Solomon and his army, Solomon understood ant langauge?!! Yes, it's thee miracle Allah has given him as I stated earlier.

8.3 Science has proven that the forehead is the part of the nervous system responsible of lying.

Many but not all of the above are mentioned In Quran, not sure whether science can prove all the mentioned above or no (technology enhances with time anyways)
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Post by GreaTSaN » June 26, 2017, 12:04 pm
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Tell me the errors. Don't simply copy and paste stuff from Internet. If you've read things yourself then tell me where did you find an error? You're only believing in things which you see on YouTube or some forum while you haven't read anything yourself in Qur'an. Ask your questions and give me verses which are scientifically wrong and I'll answer it.
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