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Post by GreaTSaN » June 26, 2017, 8:17 pm
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The Qur'an both strongly implies and states that the world is flat.

"And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused each seemly thing to grow therein,"

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) "And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion" (Qur'an Chapter 15: verse 19) means We spread it out and placed firm mountains therein. This is like the verse in which God says (interpretation of the meaning): "And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers" (Qur'an Chapter 13: verse 3).

There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.


"He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others."

"And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),"

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) "He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver." (Qur'an Chapter 39: verse 5)

The Arabic word which is translated as "to wrap" in the verse is "Yukawer". This word comes from the same root as the word "Kura" which means "sphere". In Arabic, this word is commonly used as wrapping an object around an sphere thing. A person who knows Arabic can confirm this. This verse makes it very clear for those who've knowledge that Earth is round and not flat. Furthermore, people who say that if Qur'an was the word of God, he could have mentioned these things clearly but little they know that they can't simply understand everything by reading a single verse. You've to read the whole Qur'an to understand all it's meanings. You can't simply understand a book by reading a single paragraph from it obviously.


Also about the sun setting and rising in a specific place:

"Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. .... Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom."

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) "Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” (Qur'an Chapter 18: verse 86)

It appears to be in the eye of the beholder, the sun sets on one country, but remains up in the sky for another, until it rises from the east on the following morning. So the earth looks flat in every region or part of it, because of its immense size.

This does not contradict its real shape, because we may see a very high mountain, but if we climb it and reach its summit we may find a flat surface there, and find an entire nation living there, and some of the people there may not know anything about the rest of the world, and so on.


And here the Qur'an strongly implies that the sky is solid:

"Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower,"

"Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any rifts ?"

This verse implies that there are no holes in heaven. It's impossible for heaven or space to have holes or cracks unless the sky is solid.

"See they not what is before them and behind them, of the sky and the earth? If We wished, We could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them. Verily in this is a Sign for every devotee that turns to Allah (in repentance)."

It's also impossible for a piece of the sky to fall down down on a person unless it is solid.

It looks like you don't have enough knowledge of science that's why you're asking this question. Do you think that clouds that forms above are just weightless? Do you think clouds are heavy or light? Maybe you'd say light but Qur'an stated 1400 years ago that clouds were not light at all but instead they could be very heavy. Sounds stupid, right? Let's look into these verse: (interpretation of the meaning)

And it is He who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy until, when they have carried heavy rain-clouds, We drive them to a dead land and We send down rain therein and bring forth thereby [some] of all the fruits. Thus will We bring forth the dead; perhaps you may be reminded. - (Qur'an Chapter 7: verse 57)

It is He who shows you lightening, [causing] fear and aspiration, and generates the heavy clouds. - (Qur'an Chapter 13: verse 12)

This verse was taken as a joke centuries back but today modern science tells us that the clouds which forms above could weight up-to millions of pounds and you can google this yourself if you don't believe me. No wonder how could a person 1400 years back could get to know such information without any scientific equipment. So now we know that clouds could weight up-to that much makes it clear that if the one who created all things wants to make a cloud fall on somewhere, it's not a big deal for him.


And also there's a biological error:

"Man should reflect on what he was created from. He is created from spurting fluid, preceding between the backbone and the ribs"

Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.
/sulb/ 'backbone' and /tara'ib/ 'ribs', as mentioned in this verse, where the fluid comes forth from between them. In these ideas the commentators mostly try to comment on these two terms referring to man and woman from which the egg and sperm form the fetus.

But, primarily it should be noted that the verse is speaking only about a man's fluid, because 'a drop emitted' belongs to a man not to a woman since that of a woman does not emit.

This is a clear commentary and the meanings of the terms simply conform to what is found in a dictionary. Meanwhile, there may be greater facts hidden in the verse that modern science has not found yet, however, scientists may uncover them in the future. Please note that it's not yet disapproved by science and neither approved. I believe that like other verses were denied before but later approved by science, this one would also go like that. Let's wait for the modern science to uncover things for you as you believe in science so there's nothing else I could ask you to do except wait for science to uncover them in future.

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Post by CXdur » June 26, 2017, 11:01 pm
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CXdur wrote:
The Qur'an both strongly implies and states that the world is flat.

"And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused each seemly thing to grow therein,"

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) "And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion" (Qur'an Chapter 15: verse 19) means We spread it out and placed firm mountains therein. This is like the verse in which God says (interpretation of the meaning): "And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers" (Qur'an Chapter 13: verse 3).

There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.


"He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others."

"And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),"

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) "He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver." (Qur'an Chapter 39: verse 5)

The Arabic word which is translated as "to wrap" in the verse is "Yukawer". This word comes from the same root as the word "Kura" which means "sphere". In Arabic, this word is commonly used as wrapping an object around an sphere thing. A person who knows Arabic can confirm this. This verse makes it very clear for those who've knowledge that Earth is round and not flat. Furthermore, people who say that if Qur'an was the word of God, he could have mentioned these things clearly but little they know that they can't simply understand everything by reading a single verse. You've to read the whole Qur'an to understand all it's meanings. You can't simply understand a book by reading a single paragraph from it obviously.


Also about the sun setting and rising in a specific place:

"Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. .... Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom."

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) "Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” (Qur'an Chapter 18: verse 86)

It appears to be in the eye of the beholder, the sun sets on one country, but remains up in the sky for another, until it rises from the east on the following morning. So the earth looks flat in every region or part of it, because of its immense size.

This does not contradict its real shape, because we may see a very high mountain, but if we climb it and reach its summit we may find a flat surface there, and find an entire nation living there, and some of the people there may not know anything about the rest of the world, and so on.


And here the Qur'an strongly implies that the sky is solid:

"Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower,"

"Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any rifts ?"

This verse implies that there are no holes in heaven. It's impossible for heaven or space to have holes or cracks unless the sky is solid.

"See they not what is before them and behind them, of the sky and the earth? If We wished, We could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them. Verily in this is a Sign for every devotee that turns to Allah (in repentance)."

It's also impossible for a piece of the sky to fall down down on a person unless it is solid.

It looks like you don't have enough knowledge of science that's why you're asking this question. Do you think that clouds that forms above are just weightless? Do you think clouds are heavy or light? Maybe you'd say light but Qur'an stated 1400 years ago that clouds were not light at all but instead they could be very heavy. Sounds stupid, right? Let's look into these verse: (interpretation of the meaning)

And it is He who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy until, when they have carried heavy rain-clouds, We drive them to a dead land and We send down rain therein and bring forth thereby [some] of all the fruits. Thus will We bring forth the dead; perhaps you may be reminded. - (Qur'an Chapter 7: verse 57)

It is He who shows you lightening, [causing] fear and aspiration, and generates the heavy clouds. - (Qur'an Chapter 13: verse 12)

This verse was taken as a joke centuries back but today modern science tells us that the clouds which forms above could weight up-to millions of pounds and you can google this yourself if you don't believe me. No wonder how could a person 1400 years back could get to know such information without any scientific equipment. So now we know that clouds could weight up-to that much makes it clear that if the one who created all things wants to make a cloud fall on somewhere, it's not a big deal for him.


And also there's a biological error:

"Man should reflect on what he was created from. He is created from spurting fluid, preceding between the backbone and the ribs"

Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.
/sulb/ 'backbone' and /tara'ib/ 'ribs', as mentioned in this verse, where the fluid comes forth from between them. In these ideas the commentators mostly try to comment on these two terms referring to man and woman from which the egg and sperm form the fetus.

But, primarily it should be noted that the verse is speaking only about a man's fluid, because 'a drop emitted' belongs to a man not to a woman since that of a woman does not emit.

This is a clear commentary and the meanings of the terms simply conform to what is found in a dictionary. Meanwhile, there may be greater facts hidden in the verse that modern science has not found yet, however, scientists may uncover them in the future. Please note that it's not yet disapproved by science and neither approved. I believe that like other verses were denied before but later approved by science, this one would also go like that. Let's wait for the modern science to uncover things for you as you believe in science so there's nothing else I could ask you to do except wait for science to uncover them in future.
It seems very clear to me that the Qur'an implies the earth is flat, you didn't really say anything to disprove this. Yes, of course the earth appears flat and spread out to someone who is standing on the ground. Can you find anywhere in the Qur'an where it specifically states the earth is round? Because from what I see, it refers to the earth as a spread out carpet several times.
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There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.
This only further proves my point. If Allah is all-knowing, he shouldn't have referred to it the way most people would at the time. In today's time, I have a very hard time believing anyone would describe the earth like this, especially several times without mentioning the fact that it is actually round.
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It looks like you don't have enough knowledge of science that's why you're asking this question. Do you think that clouds that forms above are just weightless? Do you think clouds are heavy or light? Maybe you'd say light but Qur'an stated 1400 years ago that clouds were not light at all but instead they could be very heavy. Sounds stupid, right? Let's look into these verse: (interpretation of the meaning)
Don't question my knowledge of science, we learned this in children's school and I thought everyone knew this. The Qur'an strongly implies that the sky is impetrenable, suggesting flights or rockets can't go through it. It also says that a piece of the sky can drop down on a person. I never said that clouds were weightless and I have no idea how you can dismiss all my arguments by assuming I don't know this.

The Qur'an does however say that you can pass through the sky with Allah's permission. "Allah says: “O assembly of Jinn and men! If you can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the Earth, then pass! Not without authority shall you be able to pass!” [Sûrah al-Rahmân: 33]"

Strangely enough, NASA did not ask for Allah's permission.
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Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.
Yes, I am aware of its meaning, but the location is definitely wrong. It does not emerge from between the backbone and the ribs, and this verse strongly implies that it does.

I'll bring up some new scientific errors / inaccuracies then.

The big bang

"21:30 Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before we clove them asunder?"

This verse basically states that the earth and heaven were one before they were split apart. This is completely wrong. Earth was only formed around 9 million years after the big bang. Earth wasn't even there at the time of the big bang, and if it had been the planet would have been incinerated in the process.

"2:29 He it is Who created for you all that it is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things."

This verse also states that the earth was created first which is wrong according to science. Stars are older than earth.

Quran says stars are in the lowest heaven & purpose is to strike at devils wanting to reach the exalted assembly in heaven as well as being a decoration in the night sky.
(Quran 37:6-10)

There is two problems here as well, the first is that shooting stars are not actually stars but burning meteorites. And the second is that they burn up in the atmosphere, hardly anywhere near heaven. This is clearly an ancient legend trying to explain why there are shooting stars.

Moving on to contradictions in the Qur'an

Were the Earth & heavens joined together or split apart?
(21:30) Split apart (41:11) Joined together

The verse 21:30 says that the earth and heaven was split apart while 41:11 says they were joined together.

How many angels participated at the Battle of Badr?
(8:9) 1,000 angels. (3:123-124) 3,000 angels.

Verse 8:9 says that 1000 angels participated in the battle while 3:123-124 says 3000. Would an all-knowing god make this mistake?

How long is Judgement Day?
(32:5) 1,000 Earth years (70:4) 50,000 Earth years

Again, a contradiction. Verse 32:5 says judgement day is 1000 years long and 70:4 says 50000 years.

There's also a historical error, Muhammed mixes up Mirian and the Virgin Mary in the bible. The bible says that Miriam is Aaron's sister, while the Qur'an says that Virgin Mary is Aaron's sister. The Bible says Miriam is the daughter of Amram, while the Qur'an says that Virgin Mary is the daughter of Imran. The author has clearly mistaken Miriam for Mary in the bible.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT to point out that the Qur'an claims it is meant to be clear in meaning. (Quran 5:15, 6:55, 6:114, 11:1, 16:103, 22:16, 41:3) states that it is. 5:15 goes as follows "O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah;" In 3:7 however it does say that some verses are allegorical.

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I am not sure your argument holds up for the sun setting in a mud spring part, watch this video and see if you still want to use the same argument. You can skip to its conclusion in the end if you'd like.

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Post by StephenKelly » June 27, 2017, 1:12 am


Would like an actual opinion from a Muslim on this video since it shows how this guy who you all worship lies about what is stated in the Qur'an to fit his own personal agenda.

Try to look at it with an open mind, don't just instantly dismiss it.
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Post by Sonit » June 27, 2017, 11:12 am
StephenKelly wrote:


Would like an actual opinion from a Muslim on this video since it shows how this guy who you all worship lies about what is stated in the Qur'an to fit his own personal agenda.

Try to look at it with an open mind, don't just instantly dismiss it.
Hey wait... I am surprised that the one who is questioning Islam alot, doesn't knows that Muslims Only worship Allah. Human being, Any Human being is not worth worshipping so don't ever say we worship him or any other human being.
Secondly, Islam doesn't allows us to preach Islam in the condition which Zakir Naik has. We are not allowed to wear Pant, shirt, waist coats and tie according to Islam, Because it's the non-muslim's wardrobe which we should avoid. Specially those who are preaching. Moreover we should wear clothes which meet with what Prophet PBUH wore.

Anyway, I've never heard this person before, Its the first time this guy's video I watched so I wont say anything much, but CXdur would get his answer in the video, which he asked "where in quran is it written that Earth is round"
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Post by [Lsrcr]Oggy » June 27, 2017, 11:51 am
Sonit wrote:
StephenKelly wrote:


Would like an actual opinion from a Muslim on this video since it shows how this guy who you all worship lies about what is stated in the Qur'an to fit his own personal agenda.

Try to look at it with an open mind, don't just instantly dismiss it.
Hey wait... I am surprised that the one who is questioning Islam alot, doesn't knows that Muslims Only worship Allah. Human being, Any Human being is not worth worshipping so don't ever say we worship him or any other human being.
Secondly, Islam doesn't allows us to preach Islam in the condition which Zakir Naik has. We are not allowed to wear Pant, shirt, waist coats and tie according to Islam, Because it's the non-muslim's wardrobe which we should avoid. Specially those who are preaching. Moreover we should wear clothes which meet with what Prophet PBUH wore.

Anyway, I've never heard this person before, Its the first time this guy's video I watched so I wont say anything much, but CXdur would get his answer in the video, which he asked "where in quran is it written that Earth is round"
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Post by GreaTSaN » June 27, 2017, 12:17 pm
StephenKelly wrote:


Would like an actual opinion from a Muslim on this video since it shows how this guy who you all worship lies about what is stated in the Qur'an to fit his own personal agenda.

Try to look at it with an open mind, don't just instantly dismiss it.
Such a wonderful video of a masked man who you believe more than you believe in yourself. It's really funny to see atheists defending themselves and saying Qur'an has lots of contradictions through this guy while they haven't read anything from Qur'an. I don't understand how people can judge a book with a single verse without reading the chapter or whole book. Let's take an example of a story book. Is it possible for you to understand a story book just by reading a single starting or ending paragraph? The answer is pretty obvious. I'd try my best to explanations all these Quranic statements and will hope that you may look forward reading things yourself instead of browsing stuff on YouTube. One more thing I'd like to mention before I start is that we don't worship Zakir Naik. He's a scholar and we respect his teachings from Qur'an and I don't know about others but I confirm everything myself as soon as I see not like watching his videos and just relying on his sayings without actually looking at translations myself. For you this masked man is right because he's supporting your statement but for me he's simply brainwashing you and nothing else. Whatever I'd write further is all confirmed by certain Arabic users who've known of Arabic language and it's grammar. If you find any mistake, please be sure to point it instead of starting a new argument on that.

First clip: Here Zakir Naik is saying "Suppose there's a machinery or (device) placed in front of an atheist which no one in the world has seen and he is asked the question 'who will be the first person to tell you the mechanism of this machinery or object?' the reply an atheist will give you is manufacturer and it's obvious that no one can tell you the mechanism of something but the manufacturer or creator. Did you get to know about computers yourself or you were taught by looking at someone using it or by a teacher? Masked man, he starts talking about something not on the subject. The question was "a machinery which no one has seen" but what he did was reverting the question and starts talking about manual while the answer to the question is obvious that no one could give the manual but the manufacturer of that object/device/machine. Is it possible for Valve to give user manual of an iPad? Obviously NO.

Second clip: I'm doing a research on this so I'd not say anything right now about this but I'd surely get back to you.

Third clip: Here Zakir Naik talks about Quranic verse from Chapter 25 verse 61. Before I begin to tell you about the Quranic verse, I'd like to say that yes some other mathematician might have known that before but since you people say that Qur'an is a word of Muhammad and not from God then don't you know that Muhammad wasn't able to read or write? He was not educated? He was not a mathematician? He was not an astronomer. How could he know such a thing which now science confirms. It wasn't confirmed before also and now modern science confirms that. It was a Hypotheses before but not anymore since it's confirmed by science. Now let's talk about the Qur'anic verse from Chapter 25 verse 61. This masked man says he's an Arab and he claims that Zakir Naik has changed the real meaning of this verse and nowhere in this verse it's written about moon lighting or reflection. He not only claimed but said that the word "noor" or "munir" means light and nothing else. He even quoted Ibn Kathir, out of context, to satisfy you guys to actually believe him without even doing a research yourself. Let's look into the verse now: (Literal meaning)
Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a lamp and luminous moon. - (Qur'an 25:61)
Now he says there's nothing like reflection in this verse and the word "munir" or "noor" means light. If someone who has done research before actually believing him would know that the word "noor" or "munir" is not even used in this verse interestingly instead the word "munira" is used which means shining or luminous. Those with knowledge would certainly understand the meaning of this verse now instead of believing this guy without research.
Meaning of word "shine" or "shining":
a quality of brightness produced when light is reflected on something.
It is clear now that this guy changed the word of the verse just to justify his opinions about Zakir Naik or Qur'an and to satisfy others.

Forth clip: Zakir Naik talks about earth being spherical in shape and what not. But this guy says that lots of other people knew that already before but he doesn't understand the fact that Prophet Muhammad wasn't a mathematician, physician, astronomer nor he was educated. He was a simple man living his life in Arabia and at the age of 40 he started receiving revelations when mankind was in terrible situation. Furthermore people say that Qur'an doesn't talk about Earth shape and it only says that it's flat and spread out. The verse which Zakir Naik quoted is from Chapter 79 verse 30, let's have a look (literal meaning):
And after that He spread the earth. - Qur'an 79:30
The foremost scholars of Quranic exegesis mention that “dahaha” in the verse means “spread it out,” or “extended it.” The original lexical meaning of the word is from the meaning of “removing something from one place to another,” which we could understand as “leveling”. (Source: Al-Tabari (Masked man mostly quotes from this), Jami-al-Bayan Tafsir al-Qur’an)

In the context of these verses, the spreading out can be understood as a spreading of the land in preparation for the bounties of food and water which Allah brings forth from it. As the next verse in the Surah states, “He brought therefrom its water and its pasture.”.

However, this does not contradict the spherical shape of the earth since the immediate surface will generally appear flat. The spherical shape of the earth is alluded to in the verse, “He wraps the night over the day, and wraps the day over the night…” (Qur'an 39:5] The word wrap, “yakawwiru,” is understood to mean in a circular fashion, as the Arabs used it for wrapping a turban. If you want to understand Qur'an then read it yourself and understand its meanings instead of relying on YouTube. You can't get to know about Islam by watching Zakir Naik only and watching some random dude (i.e Maskedman) out there. If you want to debate on this and want to prove that Islam and Qur'an is wrong then go up with yourself and read Qur'an yourself first. There are many videos of this guy talking nothing but changing the meaning of verses and showing it to users and he succeeds in his plan by satisfying others because he know very well that those who don't have any knowledge would not research on these verses whatsoever.

Fifth clip: Sun is stationary and all other celestial bodies rotates around it and that's not something Zakir Naik is making up himself but it's true that it was believed that way. But when humans reached the space they disapproved this theory and instead what they said was written in the Qur'an already. Again I repeat, Prophet Muhammad was not an educated person. Now this guy claims that nowhere in the verse its written about the Sun or the moon but its only the Muslim scholars and Muslims who are making up their own meanings to prove Qur'an. Again he said something really stupid without doing a single research on it. Let's look into the verse now (literal meaning):
And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all (kullun) in an orbit are floating (yasbahun). - (Qur'an 21:33)
The use of the words kullun (all) and yasbahun (float) in the plural (for more than two) indicates that not only the sun and the moon but all the heavenly bodies are floating in their own separate orbits and none of them is fixed or stationary. These are capable of being interpreted in the modern scientific terms in accordance with the present day conceptions of Physics, Biology and Astronomy. Indeed, for us (Muslims) the words of Allah are constant and we can't change them according to modern science inventions or researches because scientific theories can change anytime. Example is Darwins theory which is considered as false by majority of scientists but yet we see people of low knowledge believing in it because it satisfies their belief.

Sixth clip: Wow once again this guy said something really stupid that Zakir Naik or some other Muslim scholars changed the actual meaning of the verse and claims that there's no such thing written about expansion in the verse which is totally wrong. The verse is from Chapter 51 verse 47 which says (literal meaning):
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. - Qur'an 51:47
Now this guy says that we've changed the meaning of the verse by replacing the word "museeuun" to "muwaseeun" but he don't really know or he changed the wording of verse to satisfy his users. In the verse the ending word is "lamuuseeun" whereas "la" means surely and "muuseeun" means "expanders" and the starting is "wa-inna" which means "and Indeed we" makes the meaning of verse "We are surely expander" or "We are surely its expander". I don't know from where this guy got this wrong information or now I doubt he's an arab. Furthermore the word "muuseeun" have several other meanings, as follows: "to expand the sky", "to expand the distance". This proves that this guy is just giving false information and brainwashing those who are already less in knowledge. Again, I advise you to do some research yourself before watching such videos or you'd most likely fell in his trap (or you already are).

Seventh clip: There's no doubt for those who believe and those with knowledge to understand the meaning of the verse talking about rain and water-cycle. We've to learn the classical Arabic to understand the actual meaning of these verses because not very word is available or translatable in other languages (i.e: Chapter 30 verse 2 (not in the video)). This might help you understand these verses: https://goo.gl/RJVBdX. As for the verse 7:17 which Zakir Naik quoted is not related to this and it could be mistakenly said by him. He is a human being not a computer.

At the end, I'd only advise you and others who believe in this guy to check the literal meaning of verses before judging. I highly doubt that this guy knows classical Arabic as what he said about some verses and its meanings is totally wrong. It's now your choice to believe in what you want. My job is to spread the message and tell you whats right and whats not. Believe him if you want or believe after you actually read.

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Post by GreaTSaN » June 27, 2017, 12:18 pm
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You guys threw him at us and now we threw him back to you.
Didn't work.

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Post by GreaTSaN » June 27, 2017, 12:24 pm
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We are not allowed to wear Pant, shirt, waist coats and tie according to Islam, Because it's the non-muslim's wardrobe which we should avoid. Specially those who are preaching. Moreover we should wear clothes which meet with what Prophet PBUH wore.
Stop spreading wrong information about Islam. There's no such thing like that in Islam. We're allowed to wear what ever we feel like except those clothes which exposes the body. There's no such thing like "non-muslim wardrobe" so please avoid replying here if you don't have enough knowledge of Qur'an or Islam. I do respect your opinions but I wouldn't tolerate spreading of wrong information.

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Post by Sonit » June 27, 2017, 12:54 pm
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Sonit wrote:
We are not allowed to wear Pant, shirt, waist coats and tie according to Islam, Because it's the non-muslim's wardrobe which we should avoid. Specially those who are preaching. Moreover we should wear clothes which meet with what Prophet PBUH wore.
Stop spreading wrong information about Islam. There's no such thing like that in Islam. We're allowed to wear what ever we feel like except those clothes which exposes the body. There's no such thing like "non-muslim wardrobe" so please avoid replying here if you don't have enough knowledge of Qur'an or Islam. I do respect your opinions but I wouldn't tolerate spreading of wrong information.
I apologise. When I read that again. I noticed some mistake. Yes we r allowed to wear any thing which covers body it's only the tie which I wanted to talk about.
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Post by [Lsrcr]Oggy » June 27, 2017, 2:06 pm
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[Lsrcr]Oggy wrote:
You guys threw him at us and now we threw him back to you.
Didn't work.
Of course it did. Sonnet's post is a proof of that
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