Abrahamic gods - A psychological approach

[Gangsta19]

What would you call a person that slaughters other people?
I would,by proper definition, call them a psychopath.
But billions of creationist choose to call that entity a "God".

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

- "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Oxford definition of a psychopath:

psychopath
NOUN

1A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

Now think for yourselves , would anyone in their right state of mind order the torture/slaughter of another person?

[GreaTSaN]

Oh man seriously?! You didn't even did a research on that Qur'anic verse yourself before posting it here seriously. You can't understand a book simply by reading a single verse. You've to read an entire book before judging it. The verse you quote is from Chapter 8: verse 12 which states as follows:
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

You know why he said that? Because there was a war declared on Muslims by hypocrites and the army of Prophet Muhammad was not prepared. The army of hypocrites had 1000 soldiers, 300 or more camels and what not but since Muslims were not aware about the war and they were not ready. So the Lord sent down angels to fight with Muslims and he inspired to them "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved." and it was for angels not Muhammad or Abrahem or any other prophet. Please do some research before you even start a topic. Nowhere in Qur'an torture/violence/slaughtering of human beings is appreciated.

[Gangsta19]

Oh man seriously?! You didn't even did a research on that Qur'anic verse yourself before posting it here seriously. You can't understand a book simply by reading a single verse. You've to read an entire book before judging it. The verse you quote is from Chapter 8: verse 12 which states as follows:
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

You know why he said that? Because there was a war declared on Muslims by hypocrites and the army of Prophet Muhammad was not prepared. The army of hypocrites had 1000 soldiers, 300 or more camels and what not but since Muslims were not aware about the war and they were not ready. So the Lord sent down angels to fight with Muslims and he inspired to them "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved." and it was for angels not Muhammad or Abrahem or any other prophet. Please do some research before you even start a topic. Nowhere in Qur'an torture/violence/slaughtering of human beings is appreciated.

Pretty sure an omnipotent being can just stop their hearts in a matter of second. But no,let the other people fight them instead and chop their fingers and take their wives as slaves.
I know the context very well,it has been repeated in mosques thousand of times to me.Since you seem to be as informed as the mullahs ,let me ask you this ; why does god need war loot for?

And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah, over all things, is competent.

Now you may say keeping an army is expensive,and I agree, soldiers need their food,but since they're fighting for god apparently,why won't god just make food appear in front of them? .. let that sink in for a second..

[GreaTSaN]

Oh man seriously?! You didn't even did a research on that Qur'anic verse yourself before posting it here seriously. You can't understand a book simply by reading a single verse. You've to read an entire book before judging it. The verse you quote is from Chapter 8: verse 12 which states as follows:
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

You know why he said that? Because there was a war declared on Muslims by hypocrites and the army of Prophet Muhammad was not prepared. The army of hypocrites had 1000 soldiers, 300 or more camels and what not but since Muslims were not aware about the war and they were not ready. So the Lord sent down angels to fight with Muslims and he inspired to them "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved." and it was for angels not Muhammad or Abrahem or any other prophet. Please do some research before you even start a topic. Nowhere in Qur'an torture/violence/slaughtering of human beings is appreciated.

Pretty sure an omnipotent being can just stop their hearts in a matter of second. But no,let the other people fight them instead and chop their fingers and take their wives as slaves.
I know the context very well,it has been repeated in mosques thousand of times to me.Since you seem to be as informed as the mullahs ,let me ask you this ; why does god need war loot for?

And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah, over all things, is competent.

Now you may say keeping an army is expensive,and I agree, soldiers need their food,but since they're fighting for god apparently,why won't god just make food appear in front of them? .. let that sink in for a second..

If God just bring food down without any struggle then where would be the test? If you'd have read the whole book you wouldn't be asking this question to me. Picking a single verse from a chapter without reading it's whole explanation or reading the entire chapter makes it pretty obvious that you're doing nothing except criticizing a book without actually reading it.

[Gangsta19]

If God just bring food down without any struggle then where would be the test?Tell me exactly what does an omnipotent and omniscient being test for? He knows all the answers of the past,present and future.The "test" is irrelevant because he knows exactly how we will act,in a sense ,if such a god exists there is absolutely no free will.
here's your verse: (Al-Hadid 57:3): "He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing."
If you'd have read the whole book you wouldn't be asking this question to me.sure,i would be asking a whole lot more actually,like on this verse

(Al-Hadid 57:22 - 23):
"No disaster strikes upon the earth or among yourselves except that it is in a register before We bring it into being - indeed that, for Allah, is easy -
In order that you not despair over what has eluded you and not exult [in pride] over what He has given you. And Allah does not like everyone self-deluded and boastful -"
Since no disaster happens without Allah's will,and if a disaster happens it is because he doesn't like proud people,explain to me why would Allah punish a 4 year old and let her psycho batshit crazy father rape her? (i know instances where that happened and it's a whole lot more fucked up than that) , or why would Allah punish a 6,11 and 14 year old by having their psycho mother stab them to death? In what way have they wronged Allah to deserve that treatment?
Picking a single verse from a chapter without reading it's whole explanation or reading the entire chapter makes it pretty obvious that you're doing nothing except criticizing a book without actually reading it.I am only picking examples from the topic we're on,Quran has 114 hadiths, and 6,236 verses, if I go on and quote them one by one we wont be done with the conversation for months.

[GreaTSaN]

If God just bring food down without any struggle then where would be the test?Tell me exactly what does an omnipotent and omniscient being test for? He knows all the answers of the past,present and future.The "test" is irrelevant because he knows exactly how we will act,in a sense ,if such a god exists there is absolutely no free will.
here's your verse: (Al-Hadid 57:3): "He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing."
If you'd have read the whole book you wouldn't be asking this question to me.sure,i would be asking a whole lot more actually,like on this verse

Very good question. I don't have any problem on answering your questions. You can ask as much as you like. Islam doesn't stop you from asking questions. I'd simply paste an answer from Quora which was answered a couple of years ago.

God created human beings with the ability to make decisions and choices. This implied that people were going to make good and bad choices and decisions.

It would not be fair, if people who made good choices and those who made bad choices ended up with the same results or same kind of eternal life. Those who make good choices should be rewarded and those making bad choices should be punished.

God's knowledge being absolute and infinite, He knew which of the people would be making good choices and which people the bad choices. He could have put them permanently in the Gardens or imprisoned in Hell on the basis of His knowledge; but that would not look fair to people, without letting them prove themselves and see that justice has been fully done.

So He sent us in this world to prove to ourselves where we belong. From puberty to the last breath we are in the examination room continuously writing our tests. All decisions and choices we are making every moment of our lives are what we will be marked upon. Keep in mind that we are not marked for the given conditions that we find ourselves in, but only on the choices and decisions that we make in the given circumstances.

In summary, our test is for us to provide our own evidence as to where we belong, not for God.

My answer would be the same as this one above.

(Al-Hadid 57:22 - 23):
"No disaster strikes upon the earth or among yourselves except that it is in a register before We bring it into being - indeed that, for Allah, is easy -
In order that you not despair over what has eluded you and not exult [in pride] over what He has given you. And Allah does not like everyone self-deluded and boastful -"
Since no disaster happens without Allah's will,and if a disaster happens it is because he doesn't like proud people,explain to me why would Allah punish a 4 year old and let her psycho batshit crazy father rape her? (i know instances where that happened and it's a whole lot more fucked up than that) , or why would Allah punish a 6,11 and 14 year old by having their psycho mother stab them to death? In what way have they wronged Allah to deserve that treatment?
Picking a single verse from a chapter without reading it's whole explanation or reading the entire chapter makes it pretty obvious that you're doing nothing except criticizing a book without actually reading it.I am only picking examples from the topic we're on,Quran has 114 hadiths, and 6,236 verses, if I go on and quote them one by one we wont be done with the conversation for months.

Same answer as above but just a little note. Whoever dies without justice or wrongly then he/she would certainly get justice on that Day (The day of Resurrection). We humans are not created aimlessly. Not even a plant you see around is created without purpose. Do you really think that all those who did all types of crimes are simply left of? There won't be any justice for those who died without justice? Think yourself and ask yourself this question.

[Gangsta19]

Very good question. I don't have any problem on answering your questions. You can ask as much as you like. Islam doesn't stop you from asking questions. I'd simply paste an answer from Quora which was answered a couple of years ago.

God created human beings with the ability to make decisions and choices. This implied that people were going to make good and bad choices and decisions. Since absolutely nothing happens without the will of god,every decision or bad choice we make is by his will , then why do we get punished?

It would not be fair, if people who made good choices and those who made bad choices ended up with the same results or same kind of eternal life. Those who make good choices should be rewarded and those making bad choices should be punished.Again,NOTHING can happen without God's will,which means people making bad choices are pre-determined to make them.They can't help themselves ,God created them that way (hence the original subject of this topic,is God really a psychopath?)

God's knowledge being absolute and infinite, He knew which of the people would be making good choices and which people the bad choices.exactly! He could have put them permanently in the Gardens or imprisoned in Hell on the basis of His knowledge; but that would not look fair to people, without letting them prove themselves and see that justice has been fully done.That's the point,there is no way to prove yourself,if God created you to be evil and make bad decisions,you're automatically doomed.You cannot change your ways unless God wants to,in a way, being good or evil is all in God's hands and there's nothing you can do about it.

So He sent us in this world to prove to ourselves where we belong. From puberty to the last breath we are in the examination room continuously writing our tests.A test that is predetermined is not a true test,a test that the outcome is already known cannot be a true test! All decisions and choices we are making every moment of our lives are what we will be marked upon. Keep in mind that we are not marked for the given conditions that we find ourselves in, but only on the choices and decisions that we make in the given circumstances."choices" and "decisions" which are already known to God.

In summary, our test is for us to provide our own evidence as to where we belong, not for God.So God already knows who will fail and succeed,but we have to know too before he sends us to hell permanently ...seems totally fair!
That completely justifies all means! totally!

My answer would be the same as this one above.






Whoever dies without justice or wrongly then he/she would certainly get justice on that Day (The day of Resurrection). We humans are not created aimlessly. Not even a plant you see around is created without purpose. Do you really think that all those who did all types of crimes are simply left of?No,there's a justice system which works somewhat fine,you do the crime,you pay the time. There won't be any justice for those who died without justice?The father of the girl that was raped by him will not see sunlight until his very last day, but still that doesn't negate HER being damaged ,scarred for life! There is absolutely no reason why that should have happened to her,but apparently God works in mysterious ways.. Think yourself and ask yourself this question.

[Kaosx234]

Just because you think God should make it - it doesn't make right.

Imagine our relation with God just like the relation with the puppet and its owner. A puppet sees on street poisoned food and wants to eat it but his "god" doesn't let him and even slaps him once or twice. What kind of owner is he like? He is a good one.

The God has His reasons, there must be a reason of why is something happening.

[Gangsta19]

Just because you think God should make it - it doesn't make right.

Imagine our relation with God just like the relation with the puppet and its owner. A puppet sees on street poisoned food and wants to eat it but his "god" doesn't let him and even slaps him once or twice. What kind of owner is he like? He is a good one.

The God has His reasons, there must be a reason of why is something happening.

Sorry,but that's a terrible analogy.A puppet is an inanimate object ,it can't move and it can't eat,it has no digestive system.
If you meant puppy,as in , a small dog,then it's even less of a good analogy , because comparing the limited abilities of us(humans),who can't directly speak to dogs and we have to resort to "forcing" actions, to a omnipotent entity who can just explain to you why eating that poisoned food on the ground is bad for you, is completely off.
There is absolutely no good reason for a child to be murdered or raped,yet it happens and God allows that. And that makes me question his 'morals' and sanity.

[Kaosx234]

Just because you think God should make it - it doesn't make right.

Imagine our relation with God just like the relation with the puppet and its owner. A puppet sees on street poisoned food and wants to eat it but his "god" doesn't let him and even slaps him once or twice. What kind of owner is he like? He is a good one.

The God has His reasons, there must be a reason of why is something happening.

Sorry,but that's a terrible analogy.A puppet is an inanimate object ,it can't move and it can't eat,it has no digestive system.
If you meant puppy,as in , a small dog,then it's even less of a good analogy , because comparing the limited abilities of us(humans),who can't directly speak to dogs and we have to resort to "forcing" actions, to a omnipotent entity who can just explain to you why eating that poisoned food on the ground is bad for you, is completely off.
There is absolutely no good reason for a child to be murdered or raped,yet it happens and God allows that. And that makes me question his 'morals' and sanity.

As I said, you want to know everything and you are not supposed to. You think that there's no good reason for a child to be murdered, maybe there was.

You think that you know everything, and you know literally knowing about this world and neither I do. There are just many things that we still need to find out.

The proof of that we have limited abilities, you've just proven that. You cannot understand a simple metaphor, how something can be done positively even if we think it is a very bad thing. The little puppet story could be very easily transformed into human, when a kid wants to do take a chocolate from ground and his mother says no. For full day, kid will be like "I have the worst mummy ever".

The problem becomes when people (in this case you) are putting themselves in the same position as gods, and you think you know as much as He does. Then you'll find this metaphor lame and I cannot help you. But we both can agree that someone can do something very bad to us and then 10 years later we just realised that he helped us a lot by being that "meany guy".