Bible!

[GreaTSaN]

I don't want my other topic to be spammed with something which is out of subject and I already expected such a situation and already planned to create a topic on Bible too. Christians might wonder how come I talk about Bible while I am not a christian. It's true that I am not a Christian but I was suggested by many of my Christians friend to read Bible so I did. I never had any issues with reading other religious scriptures. After reading Bible, I have come up with many things which made me not to believe it as a word of God and I'd mention all of that here. If any Christian think that I've picked verses out of context then object right there and give your reply. I'd be really happy if someone would correct me on my mistake and will explain me if I am wrong. It's my humble request to not to turn this topic into a fight and do not get emotional. Talk with logic and be a rational. I'd also advise Atheist not to reply here if they have no knowledge of Bible whatsoever.

What are my opinions about Jesus (Peace be upon him)?
I believe in Jesus and I respect him just like I respect all other prophets. He's one of the great prophets of God and he did many miracles which I would never ever question.

[GreaTSaN]

I, as a Muslim, believe that God sent many scriptures before for many nations as a guidance and mercy. Torah revealed to Moses. the Zabur revealed to David. the Injil (Gospel) revealed to Jesus, and Qur'an final revelation to Muhammad. Peace be upon all of them. These books are not limited. There were many other scriptures revealed to many different nations and prophets, but since all the scriptures before Qur'an were sent for specific nations not for the whole of mankind but Qur'an is the last and final revelation so it is preserved. Indeed, we Muslim believe in all these scriptures and revelation but we don't believe that the current Bible is the true word of good due to several reasons. Bible could contain some scientific miracles (no doubt) since it could still have some words of God but it contains more mistakes than miracles. We'd talk about mistakes in this topic.

If you think Qur'an is not a word of God then tell me why and explain me in your own words. As for Bible, here are (currently) some verses which I need explanation for. As Kaos said I'm very narrow minded so I'd be happy if he himself gives me explanation.

And the devil, taking Him up onto a high mountain, showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. - Luke Chapter 4 Verse 5

Again, the devil took Him up onto an exceeding high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them. - Mathew Chapter 4 Verse 8

So in your opinion what is this? Since when we're able to see the whole world from a high mountain? This is only possible when the Earth is flat and with some amazing vision.

[GreaTSaN]

Is this verse trying to say that the world is fixed in position and doesn't move?

The Lord reigneth; He is clothed with majesty. The Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith He hath girded Himself. The world also is established, that it cannot be moved.

[GreaTSaN]

Bible doesn't contradict itself, maybe you're too narrow minded to read it.

I don't know if you've a different Bible or I have a different one. Do give me some explanation on this! Perhaps I may be guided.

2 Kings 8:

25 In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel, Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah began to reign.
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2 Chronicles 22:

22 So Ahaziah the son of Jehoram, king of Judah, reigned.
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri.

According to you, how old Ahaziah was when he began to reign?

2 Kings 24:

8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
9 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord, according to all that his father had done.

2 Chronicles 36:

9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem; and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

According to you, how old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

[GreaTSaN]

And the devil, taking Him up onto a high mountain, showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. - Luke Chapter 4 Verse 5

Again, the devil took Him up onto an exceeding high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them. - Mathew Chapter 4 Verse 8

So in your opinion what is this? Since when we're able to see the whole world from a high mountain? This is only possible when the Earth is flat and with some amazing vision.

The word "world" has multiple-meanings,in this case the "world" he sees is the entire region of that country/place.Hence the phrases like "the animal world" or "English speaking world" and so on,that doesn't include every centimeter of the planet.

Are you seriously making up your own words and meanings? Let's go to the Hebrew version of Bible just to clear your claim. The word used for world in the verse is "שבעולם" literal "עוֹלָם" which means world, universe and it comes from other root words which means existence. You're making this verse figurative while it is not. It clearly mentions about the whole world not just that region because if that would be the case, it would have used the word "אזור" which means a specific region, place not the world. Please come up with your proofs rather than just assuming it as figurative while it is clear not.

[GreaTSaN]

And the devil, taking Him up onto a high mountain, showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. - Luke Chapter 4 Verse 5

Again, the devil took Him up onto an exceeding high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them. - Mathew Chapter 4 Verse 8

So in your opinion what is this? Since when we're able to see the whole world from a high mountain? This is only possible when the Earth is flat and with some amazing vision.

The word "world" has multiple-meanings,in this case the "world" he sees is the entire region of that country/place.Hence the phrases like "the animal world" or "English speaking world" and so on,that doesn't include every centimeter of the planet.

Are you seriously making up your own words and meanings? Let's go to the Hebrew version of Bible just to clear your claim. The word used for world in the verse is "שבעולם" literal "עוֹלָם" which means world and it comes from other root words which means existence. You're making this verse figurative while it is not. It clearly mentions about the whole world not just that region because if that would be the case, it would have used the word "אזור" which means a specific region, place not the world. Please come up with your proofs rather than just assuming it as figurative while it is clear not.

[Gangsta19]

And the devil, taking Him up onto a high mountain, showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. - Luke Chapter 4 Verse 5

Again, the devil took Him up onto an exceeding high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them. - Mathew Chapter 4 Verse 8

So in your opinion what is this? Since when we're able to see the whole world from a high mountain? This is only possible when the Earth is flat and with some amazing vision.

The word "world" has multiple-meanings,in this case the "world" he sees is the entire region of that country/place.Hence the phrases like "the animal world" or "English speaking world" and so on,that doesn't include every centimeter of the planet.

Are you seriously making up your own words and meanings? Let's go to the Hebrew version of Bible just to clear your claim. The word used for world in the verse is "שבעולם" literal "עוֹלָם" which means world, universe and it comes from other root words which means existence. You're making this verse figurative while it is not. It clearly mentions about the whole world not just that region because if that would be the case, it would have used the word "אזור" which means a specific region, place not the world. Please come up with your proofs rather than just assuming it as figurative while it is clear not.

I am not making up my own words and meanings,look up the word "world" and it's meanings,you will find that the word changes with context. I would be convinced that it says the earth is flat if in the bible the word planet was used instead of ''world''.
If in the verse it stated "showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the PLANET in a moment of time" then it would be correct to assume the scripture indicated the earth is flat.In this case the word planet was not used,so my point stays valid.

[GreaTSaN]

I am not making up my own words and meanings,look up the word "world" and it's meanings,you will find that the word changes with context. I would be convinced that it says the earth is flat if in the bible the word planet was used instead of ''world''.
If in the verse it stated "showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the PLANET in a moment of time" then it would be correct to assume the scripture indicated the earth is flat.In this case the word planet was not used,so my point stays valid.

Let's just assume that the world in this verse could mean particular region. Then why does the verse mentions "all the kingdoms of the world"? Were there dozens of kingdoms in that particular region?

[Gangsta19]

I am not making up my own words and meanings,look up the word "world" and it's meanings,you will find that the word changes with context. I would be convinced that it says the earth is flat if in the bible the word planet was used instead of ''world''.
If in the verse it stated "showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the PLANET in a moment of time" then it would be correct to assume the scripture indicated the earth is flat.In this case the word planet was not used,so my point stays valid.

Let's just assume that the world in this verse could mean particular region. Then why does the verse mentions "all the kingdoms of the world"? Were there dozens of kingdoms in that particular region?

I don't know,i wasn't there to witness it,but apparently the people who wrote the bible were.
The question is kinda irrelevant,but let me explain to you how it could be possible to see "all the kingdoms in the world".
Take a look at this picture,it's the ancient Illyrian kingdoms,now imagine there was a very high mountain between Scupi and Uscana,from up there you could most likely see parts of kingdom of Thrakia,Dardania,Illyria,Macedonia etc..

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[GreaTSaN]

I am not making up my own words and meanings,look up the word "world" and it's meanings,you will find that the word changes with context. I would be convinced that it says the earth is flat if in the bible the word planet was used instead of ''world''.
If in the verse it stated "showed unto Him all the kingdoms of the PLANET in a moment of time" then it would be correct to assume the scripture indicated the earth is flat.In this case the word planet was not used,so my point stays valid.

Let's just assume that the world in this verse could mean particular region. Then why does the verse mentions "all the kingdoms of the world"? Were there dozens of kingdoms in that particular region?

I don't know,i wasn't there to witness it,but apparently the people who wrote the bible were.
The question is kinda irrelevant,but let me explain to you how it could be possible to see "all the kingdoms in the world".
Take a look at this picture,it's the ancient Illyrian kingdoms,now imagine there was a very high mountain between Scupi and Uscana,from up there you could most likely see parts of kingdom of Thrakia,Dardania,Illyria,Macedonia etc..

Spoiler: show

It is talking about all of the kingdoms and not just nearby. You're just assuming the meaning yourself. Translate the Hebrew word not the English. It doesn't mention "אזור" to say they meant region but it uses "עוֹלָם" which means the 'world', connecting with other root words "universe" if you go and check it yourself on Hebrew translation.

The question is not irrevelant but rather you don't have an answer but let's just agree with you that it is region (even though it is not) but let's just agree. How do you explain this then?

In my mind, as I lay in bed, I saw a vision:

At the center of the earth was a towering tree.
The tree grew in size and strength;
it was as high as the sky;
it could be seen from every corner of the earth.
Its leaves were beautiful, its fruit abundant;
it had enough food for everyone.
Wild animals took shade under it;
birds nested in its branches.
All living things lived off that tree.

.......

Then Daniel interprets it:
Then Belteshazzar answered, “Sir, I wish the dream to be for those who hate you and its meaning to be for your enemies!
20 The tree you saw that grew in size and strength, that was as high as the sky, that could be seen from every corner of the earth
21 with its beautiful leaves and its abundant fruit, and that had enough food for everyone, with wild animals living under it and birds nesting in its branches
22 Your Majesty, that tree is you! You have grown large and become powerful. Your greatness is as high as the sky; your rule extends to the edge of the earth!