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You have to be careful as to what you find on the Internet, as it may not be entirely true. Here’s an example
The word fascism’s original meaning: “a person, party or government that is in favor of a totalitarian way of living and acting”
What it’s been changed to:
An extremely nationalistic right winged government system or organization.
This happened because people who were possessing signs of fascism wanted to point fingers at the other party and had the money to do so. I’m not saying that you are completely wrong but Wikipedia is not the best source for factual data since it’s been proven that they accept bribes from people who want to shout opinions that aren’t true.
Now as for the whole palestinian vs Israel thing, the Palestinians aren’t innocent in this at all, they were not the original settlers, the original settlers were killed off by the Muslims then the muslims were chased off by the Romans and early Europeans and the Jews, back in the crusade era the knights templar were fighting for religious artifacts and won most of the battles except for a few by the romans so then the land was pretty much up for grabs since it was left once the knights templar took what they wanted and ran. I don’t fully agree with how the Israelites treat other people but there is no denying that it was their land since was indefinitely left for whoever staked a claim since they stayed, it was theirs when the Romain empire lost its grip on that region. Palestinians weren’t even there nor were evident in the area until centuries after the fact. They tried chasing the Israelites off and were successful for a little while until the isrealites reclaimed the land when they had enough of an army to do so.
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You have to be careful as to what you find on the Internet, as it may not be entirely true. Here’s an example
The word fascism’s original meaning: “a person, party or government that is in favor of a totalitarian way of living and acting”
What it’s been changed to:
An extremely nationalistic right winged government system or organization.
This happened because people who were possessing signs of fascism wanted to point fingers at the other party and had the money to do so. I’m not saying that you are completely wrong but Wikipedia is not the best source for factual data since it’s been proven that they accept bribes from people who want to shout opinions that aren’t true.
Now as for the whole palestinian vs Israel thing, the Palestinians aren’t innocent in this at all, they were not the original settlers, the original settlers were killed off by the Muslims then the muslims were chased off by the Romans and early Europeans and the Jewish people, back in the crusade era the knights templar were fighting for religious artifacts and won most of the battles except for a few by the romans so then the land was pretty much up for grabs since it was left once the knights templar took what they wanted and ran. I don’t fully agree with how the Israelites treat other people but there is no denying that it was their land since was indefinitely left for whoever staked a claim since they stayed, it was theirs when the Romain empire lost its grip on that region. Palestinians weren’t even there nor were evident in the area until centuries after the fact. They tried chasing the Israelites off and were successful for a little while until the isrealites reclaimed the land when they had enough of an army to do so.
We've someone trying to make up some new history, give me sources please :lol
The word Jewish itself means people with Jew faith, it is not a race
Anyways, before you post some stupid stuff you should know couple of things:
First people who settled in Palestine area were Canaan, before whole Jew thing even show up. Secondly, Jewish who were settled in these lands actually remain until now and they're known as Samaritans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans despite other Jew people who came and go since there were already people living around.
Regarding your crusaders, it was religion war which nobody can deny it. Romans spread out Christianity to Palestine and by it took power, same thing for Muslims who did same but with less harm since there was actually couple of wars and rest were just peace deals between sides w/e.
Just to say, there's good amount of Jewish disclaim that the Jew Zionists have a single right in occupying Palestine.
I mostly summed it up and didn't go into details because it will just take forever and you surely wont understand anything.
Have a drink, get buzzed, chill and enjoy.
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Indognito wrote:No, Indognito, you need to be careful. You need to constantly ask yourself if what you have learned is correct, because you live in the center of the most evil imperalistic country in the world. You have been indoctrinated from childhood, even saluting flags at school daily! Most U.S people I talk to easily dismiss communism as evil for instance, because they have learned from an early age that communism is "evil". That is ridiculous, you can't combine communism with something evil because you are afraid that socialism will hit your country and strip your elitist power away! U.S elitist propaganda!Spoiler: show
You have to be careful as to what you find on the Internet, as it may not be entirely true. Here’s an example
The word fascism’s original meaning: “a person, party or government that is in favor of a totalitarian way of living and acting”
What it’s been changed to:
An extremely nationalistic right winged government system or organization.
This happened because people who were possessing signs of fascism wanted to point fingers at the other party and had the money to do so. I’m not saying that you are completely wrong but Wikipedia is not the best source for factual data since it’s been proven that they accept bribes from people who want to shout opinions that aren’t true.
Now as for the whole palestinian vs Israel thing, the Palestinians aren’t innocent in this at all, they were not the original settlers, the original settlers were killed off by the Muslims then the muslims were chased off by the Romans and early Europeans and the Jewish people, back in the crusade era the knights templar were fighting for religious artifacts and won most of the battles except for a few by the romans so then the land was pretty much up for grabs since it was left once the knights templar took what they wanted and ran. I don’t fully agree with how the Israelites treat other people but there is no denying that it was their land since was indefinitely left for whoever staked a claim since they stayed, it was theirs when the Romain empire lost its grip on that region. Palestinians weren’t even there nor were evident in the area until centuries after the fact. They tried chasing the Israelites off and were successful for a little while until the isrealites reclaimed the land when they had enough of an army to do so.
I don't know too much about ancient history by the way, but I do not know why you are bringing it up either. This would not be an accepted reason internationally for occupying the area, and with the same arguments you use now a lot of the countries in the world should be occupied by other countries.
Are you saying if the Native Americans had been a lot more powerful, and seized control over the U.S, that would be okay because they were their first? Please come with some sources in the future by the way.
Just read in Norwegian national news today that Israel blacklisted a lot of Norwegian volunteers from entering the country.
Their reason was that they apparently were anti-semitite and that they had lied to authorities, haha, can't even remotely believe that this is true. The real reason that they are blacklisted is because they currently blame Israel for the current situation, which they are completely right to do.
What would you say is the main obstacle for making peace?
I would say the main problem is that Israel won't follow the FN-resolution 238 and 242 and cancel the direct and indirect occupation of the West bank and Gaza. To have a lasting peace between jews, palestinians and other people that live in the area, the main obstacle is that the Jewish people want a "special" state with special "rights" for the Jews. (Sounds a lot like apartheid to me!)
CXdur wrote:Indognito wrote:No, Indognito, you need to be careful. You need to constantly ask yourself if what you have learned is correct, because you live in the center of the most evil imperalistic country in the world. You have been indoctrinated from childhood, even saluting flags at school daily! Most U.S people I talk to easily dismiss communism as evil for instance, because they have learned from an early age that communism is "evil". That is ridiculous, you can't combine communism with something evil because you are afraid that socialism will hit your country and strip your elitist power away! U.S elitist propaganda!Spoiler: show
You have to be careful as to what you find on the Internet, as it may not be entirely true. Here’s an example
The word fascism’s original meaning: “a person, party or government that is in favor of a totalitarian way of living and acting”
What it’s been changed to:
An extremely nationalistic right winged government system or organization.
This happened because people who were possessing signs of fascism wanted to point fingers at the other party and had the money to do so. I’m not saying that you are completely wrong but Wikipedia is not the best source for factual data since it’s been proven that they accept bribes from people who want to shout opinions that aren’t true.
Now as for the whole palestinian vs Israel thing, the Palestinians aren’t innocent in this at all, they were not the original settlers, the original settlers were killed off by the Muslims then the muslims were chased off by the Romans and early Europeans and the Jewish people people, back in the crusade era the knights templar were fighting for religious artifacts and won most of the battles except for a few by the romans so then the land was pretty much up for grabs since it was left once the knights templar took what they wanted and ran. I don’t fully agree with how the Israelites treat other people but there is no denying that it was their land since was indefinitely left for whoever staked a claim since they stayed, it was theirs when the Romain empire lost its grip on that region. Palestinians weren’t even there nor were evident in the area until centuries after the fact. They tried chasing the Israelites off and were successful for a little while until the isrealites reclaimed the land when they had enough of an army to do so.
I don't know too much about ancient history by the way, but I do not know why you are bringing it up either. This would not be an accepted reason internationally for occupying the area, and with the same arguments you use now a lot of the countries in the world should be occupied by other countries.
Are you saying if the Native Americans had been a lot more powerful, and seized control over the U.S, that would be okay because they were their first? Please come with some sources in the future by the way.
Just read in Norwegian national news today that Israel blacklisted a lot of Norwegian volunteers from entering the country.
Their reason was that they apparently were anti-semitite and that they had lied to authorities, haha, can't even remotely believe that this is true. The real reason that they are blacklisted is because they currently blame Israel for the current situation, which they are completely right to do.
What would you say is the main obstacle for making peace?
I would say the main problem is that Israel won't follow the FN-resolution 238 and 242 and cancel the direct and indirect occupation of the West bank and Gaza. To have a lasting peace between Jewish people, palestinians and other people that live in the area, the main obstacle is that the Jewish people people want a "special" state with special "rights" for the Jewish people. (Sounds a lot like apartheid to me!)
lol Americans who don’t believe in communism aren’t afraid of it they are wise to it’s flaws, take Argentina for an example the government calls the people who help them a word that translates to “useful idiots” on top of that they fight for bags of rice in hopes to feed their family for a day, the wage system is to where everyone gets less then what they need to survive and have no say in what their government says and does on top of that certain information that goes against what their government believes in is ether pushed out or even banned,
American elitism yes there are people who are but a good majority of those who are rich and elitist believe that socialism is the correct way because they know that they will not be affected since they know how to exploit it.
I as an American is not forced to solute the flag if I don’t want to that and the school systems in any country are broken because a majority of the times it’s one sided information witch would also include historical data,
America isn’t the worst there are many other socialist countries that do that on a day to day basis but because the proof/evidence gets hidden by any means necessary it will not be known until after the fact when someone who whiteness said events move from there country.
We live in an imperfect world so things will not be perfect and there will always be flaws with in the systems that are created because we as people can even have good intentions and bad outcomes, early Americans understood this which is why the constitution and its amendments were in place to protect the people, and gives them the right to speak out against the government when they get too corrupt and start squeezing their people.
Hears a video showing what happens when the flaws of socialism affect the country this is not the only country affected ether.
https://youtu.be/JXFST1-Kvh4
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Indognito wrote: lol Americans who don’t believe in communism aren’t afraid of it they are wise to it’s flaws, take Argentina for an example the government calls the people who help them a word that translates to “useful idiots” on top of that they fight for bags of rice in hopes to feed their family for a day, the wage system is to where everyone gets less then what they need to survive and have no say in what their government says and does on top of that certain information that goes against what their government believes in is ether pushed out or even banned,This is a topic regarding Israel and Palestine, not socialism. I asked a question regarding the Palestine conflict, it would be nice if you could answer. Regarding socialism, you have much to read before you discuss it. Argentina does not meet the criterias of a full socialist country, and even if it had, you cannot say that socialism doesn't work because socialist regimes have failed in the past. I could use the same argument for capitalism, and I could ask you where is the economic growth in Africa? The answer is that capitalism works in its purest form in Africa - full of corruption, the rich becomes richer and the poor just becomes poorer, and the inequality is increasing. It should have been able to feed its own population by now, but because of capitalism it has not.
American elitism yes there are people who are but a good majority of those who are rich and elitist believe that socialism is the correct way because they know that they will not be affected since they know how to exploit it.
I as an American is not forced to solute the flag if I don’t want to that and the school systems in any country are broken because a majority of the times it’s one sided information witch would also include historical data,
America isn’t the worst there are many other socialist countries that do that on a day to day basis but because the proof/evidence gets hidden by any means necessary it will not be known until after the fact when someone who whiteness said events move from there country.
We live in an imperfect world so things will not be perfect and there will always be flaws with in the systems that are created because we as people can even have good intentions and bad outcomes, early Americans understood this which is why the constitution and its amendments were in place to protect the people, and gives them the right to speak out against the government when they get too corrupt and start squeezing their people.
Hears a video showing what happens when the flaws of socialism affect the country this is not the only country affected ether.
https://youtu.be/JXFST1-Kvh4
American people of power have definitely been afraid of communism (just like people of power in Europe, why do you think 15 countries tried to interfere with the Russian revolution when they saw the socialists were about to take power?), you should read up on the red scare. All the anti-communism propaganda from the U.S, the political repression of socialists.
The U.S is definitely one of the most evil countries in the world, and in the past it wouldn't hesitate to assassinate an elected state leader if it could gain financial / military / political benefits by doing so. You should read up on what the U.S has done, I'll add some sources. It might not be as bad today, but it is still very bad, and this whole topic is an example as to why. The United States support to Israel is another example of this. The U.S is not at all critical and does not care when Israel violates international law, even when other western countries do. They help destroy Palestinian lives, and what do they get in return? International support for its actions, millitary support, economic relations and cooperation on intelligence.
And again, you are using flawed socialist regimes as examples as to why socialism doesn't work, that isn't correct. And I agree with you that Freedom of Speech and such is important, and if I were to support a socialist regime it would be a non-authoritarian none. You should however keep in mind that for instance Cuba's political repression can be blamed on the United States (because of the U.S interference). I do personally not however like political repression, and not all socialists do! Socialism doesn't say you should censor and persecute your population for political reasons, but Americans often see socialism (the ideology) and socialist regimes as one and the same thing and that is wrong.
You should probably read up more on this by the way, it's very common for Americans to have the same opinion as you on communism, or a worse one, and you can find why in the sources I posted below (the last video is a documentary about American communism, and it's a nice video to watch and covers these things!).
Americans also felt the effects of the Red Scare on a personal level, and thousands of alleged communist sympathizers saw their lives disrupted. They were hounded by law enforcement, alienated from friends and family and fired from their jobs. While a small number of the accused may have been aspiring revolutionaries, most others were the victims of false allegations or had done nothing more than exercise their democratic right to join a political party. Though the climate of fear and repression began to ease in the late 1950s, the Red Scare has continued to influence political debate in the decades since and is often cited as an example of how unfounded fears can compromise civil liberties.http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/red-scare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... orth-korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassina ... del_Castro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Y4tEFnI38
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I don't really mean to stir up this discussion again, but I wanted to add some graphs for the people here who have claimed Palestine is worse than Israel, obviously this is not true, and a right wing extremist country is never good. Anyway, here are some graphs!
- Israeli and Palestinian children killed since September 29, 2000
- Israeli and Palestinians killed since September 29, 2000
- Israelis and Palestinians injured since September 29, 2000
- Daily U.S Military aid to Israel and the Palestinians
- UN Resolutions targeting Israel and the Palestinians (1955-1992)
- Current number of political prisoners and detainees
- Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian homes (since 1967)
- Israeli and Palestinian unemployment rates
- Current illegal settlements on the other's land
- Israeli and Palestinian children killed since September 29, 2000
- Israeli and Palestinians killed since September 29, 2000
- Israelis and Palestinians injured since September 29, 2000
- Daily U.S Military aid to Israel and the Palestinians
- UN Resolutions targeting Israel and the Palestinians (1955-1992)
- Current number of political prisoners and detainees
- Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian homes (since 1967)
- Israeli and Palestinian unemployment rates
- Current illegal settlements on the other's land
CXdur wrote:I don't really mean to stir up this discussion again, but I wanted to add some graphs for the people here who have claimed Palestine is worse than Israel, obviously this is not true, and a right wing extremist country is never good. Anyway, here are some graphs!You know why the Palastine's died and really low amount of Israelis died? because of our army skills, because of our mentally and because of our technology and ofcourse because of our care about our soldiers!
- Israeli and Palestinian children killed since September 29, 2000
- Israeli and Palestinians killed since September 29, 2000
- Israelis and Palestinians injured since September 29, 2000
- Daily U.S Military aid to Israel and the Palestinians
- UN Resolutions targeting Israel and the Palestinians (1955-1992)
- Current number of political prisoners and detainees
- Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian homes (since 1967)
- Israeli and Palestinian unemployment rates
- Current illegal settlements on the other's land
I dont hate palastine's/muslims, but ffs i read here a lot of bullshit "Israeli soldier punching palastinian guy", srsly? you know what this guy did? Probably threw stones. (And no, it wasn't his first time throwing stones.)
You guys are not living here, you dont know that those guys is cancer (Terrorists, and yes this guy from the video is a terrorist), they dont have a brain, they stabbing soldiers and throwing stones!
Lets go back to the graphs that Cxdur posted, They (Palastine's that died/throwing stones/Died in wars) litterally idiots, They dont know how to shoot, they dont know how to shoot rockets, They take videos of our soldiers punching them without to show you guys (Non Israel/Palastine) that they punching and throwing stones and stabbing and every shitty terror that they made.
Lets move the the "Palastine land" i dont getting in this tittle, but ok guys you hate us, lets see you living in another country, you will die by your own government, dictators, civil wars..
Your getting here everything you need! Water, safe house, freedom ffs.
So its seems its not so bad to live under the Israeli's government (The palastine's).
And to all of you guys, You dont know everything!. take it for thought.
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Omer wrote:You know why the Palastine's died and really low amount of Israelis died? because of our army skills, because of our mentally and because of our technology and ofcourse because of our care about our soldiers!actually not, your army's skills doesnt have to do with the amounts of people that were killed, it was because your skilled army was using guns against people who were throwing ROCKS at them
Omer wrote:I dont hate palastine's/muslims, but ffs i read here a lot of bullshit "Israeli soldier punching palastinian guy", srsly? you know what this guy did? Probably threw stones. (And no, it wasn't his first time throwing stones.)I'm pretty sure throwing stones at a soldier who occupied his country is not a crime, is it?
Omer wrote:You guys are not living here, you dont know that those guys is cancer (Terrorists, and yes this guy from the video is a terrorist), they dont have a brain, they stabbing soldiers and throwing stones!they are defending their country, does that still make them terrorists?
Omer wrote:Lets go back to the graphs that Cxdur posted, They (Palastine's that died/throwing stones/Died in wars) litterally idiots, They dont know how to shoot, they dont know how to shoot rockets, They take videos of our soldiers punching them without to show you guys (Non Israel/Palastine) that they punching and throwing stones and stabbing and every shitty terror that they made.they are still defending their country, aren't they? and you just went from saying they dont know how to shoot rockets to punching, throwing stones, and stabbing, so which one is it?
Omer wrote:Lets move the the "Palastine land" i dont getting in this tittle, but ok guys you hate us, lets see you living in another country, you will die by your own government, dictators, civil wars..honestly didn't understand what you meant here
Omer wrote:Your getting here everything you need! Water, safe house, freedom ffs."freedom" is when there's no israel, just palestine, we might not know everything, but you know nothing.
So its seems its not so bad to live under the Israeli's government (The palastine's).
And to all of you guys, You dont know everything!. take it for thought.
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Lolmomlol wrote:This is Israel's land, since Palastine is not recognized anywhere we dont have to keep talk on it, because there is not Palastine!Spoiler: showOmer wrote:You know why the Palastine's died and really low amount of Israelis died? because of our army skills, because of our mentally and because of our technology and ofcourse because of our care about our soldiers!actually not, your army's skills doesnt have to do with the amounts of people that were killed, it was because your skilled army was using guns against people who were throwing ROCKS at them
Omer wrote:I dont hate palastine's/muslims, but ffs i read here a lot of bullshit "Israeli soldier punching palastinian guy", srsly? you know what this guy did? Probably threw stones. (And no, it wasn't his first time throwing stones.)I'm pretty sure throwing stones at a soldier who occupied his country is not a crime, is it?
Omer wrote:You guys are not living here, you dont know that those guys is cancer (Terrorists, and yes this guy from the video is a terrorist), they dont have a brain, they stabbing soldiers and throwing stones!they are defending their country, does that still make them terrorists?
Omer wrote:Lets go back to the graphs that Cxdur posted, They (Palastine's that died/throwing stones/Died in wars) litterally idiots, They dont know how to shoot, they dont know how to shoot rockets, They take videos of our soldiers punching them without to show you guys (Non Israel/Palastine) that they punching and throwing stones and stabbing and every shitty terror that they made.they are still defending their country, aren't they? and you just went from saying they dont know how to shoot rockets to punching, throwing stones, and stabbing, so which one is it?
Omer wrote:Lets move the the "Palastine land" i dont getting in this tittle, but ok guys you hate us, lets see you living in another country, you will die by your own government, dictators, civil wars..honestly didn't understand what you meant here
Omer wrote:Your getting here everything you need! Water, safe house, freedom ffs."freedom" is when there's no israel, just palestine, we might not know everything, but you know nothing.
So its seems its not so bad to live under the Israeli's government (The palastine's).
And to all of you guys, You dont know everything!. take it for thought.
Secondly never disparage on my army. trust me they shoot only if its 100% needed.
Third, you ask about "so which one is it?": the answer is everything, that's their actions.
About the government, without our government "Palastine" would be like gaza. no water just nothing there.
You clearly Anti-Israel, i dont have what to talk with you about it, because you dont know anything.. You try to defend them while they are commit terror crimes.
Please dont answer me Lolmomlol because i dont want to keep talk about it.. its waste of time for both of us.
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