God's Existence

[Jaker]

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So when people believe in God, they believe in a creator for the Universe, right bro?

Yes bro but the creator is himself the god alone bro nothing can be created on its own.Thats very simple if you make something out of sand or clay and it takes a shape that means you created it (example).Coming towards humans is the same as well.God is the creator the most merciful and the most gracious he is the one who has created us and sent us in this world as a test wether we worship him or choose the wrong path worshiping the devil. He has given us rights either to choose hell fire or heavens.

Does that mean that the God himself directly created humans and other animals as they are today?

yes

[[Lsrcr]Oggy]

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Yes bro but the creator is himself the god alone bro nothing can be created on its own.Thats very simple if you make something out of sand or clay and it takes a shape that means you created it (example).Coming towards humans is the same as well.God is the creator the most merciful and the most gracious he is the one who has created us and sent us in this world as a test wether we worship him or choose the wrong path worshiping the devil. He has given us rights either to choose hell fire or heavens.

Does that mean that the God himself directly created humans and other animals as they are today?

yes

Yet why all the evidences we have are against creation?
Also, if such a complex system needs a designer, then the designer must be even more complex so it must have a designer as well.

[Jaker]

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Does that mean that the God himself directly created humans and other animals as they are today?

yes

Yet why all the evidences we have are against creation?
Also, if such a complex system needs a designer, then the designer must be even more complex so it must have a designer as well.

what evidence is against creation? can you give an example?

with your last sentence you're assuming that my god is inherently "limited". i do not believe in such a god. i believe that god simply was the first, I don't have a better explanation. the human brain is simply incapable of comprehending such things.

[[Lsrcr]Oggy]

yes

Yet why all the evidences we have are against creation?
Also, if such a complex system needs a designer, then the designer must be even more complex so it must have a designer as well.

what evidence is against creation? can you give an example?

with your last sentence you're assuming that my god is inherently "limited". i do not believe in such a god. i believe that god simply was the first, I don't have a better explanation. the human brain is simply incapable of comprehending such things.

If the earth and humans were created as it is now, then whom did our ancestor's fossils belong to? Also, every organisms on earth share some common DNA. How is this possible if creation was true?

So if the first God can pop up out of nowhere without any creator and do all these things, then in that sense it is also possible that the universe popped up out of nothing without a designer.

[Jaker]

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Yet why all the evidences we have are against creation?
Also, if such a complex system needs a designer, then the designer must be even more complex so it must have a designer as well.

what evidence is against creation? can you give an example?

with your last sentence you're assuming that my god is inherently "limited". i do not believe in such a god. i believe that god simply was the first, I don't have a better explanation. the human brain is simply incapable of comprehending such things.

If the earth and humans were created as it is now, then whom did our ancestor's fossils belong to? Also, every organisms on earth share some common DNA. How is this possible if creation was true?

So if the first God can pop up out of nowhere without any creator and do all these things, then in that sense it is also possible that the universe popped up out of nothing without a designer.

that isn't a proof against creation. these fossils belong to them, if our "ancestors" looked similar to us, it doesn't mean we evolved from them, lol. how exactly is common DNA a proof against creation, i.e. a proof of evolution? it doesn't prove anything.

yeah, it sounds possible, but I highly doubt that's the case. an intelligent designer out of "nowhere" who created everything makes much more sense to me than an unintelligent ball of dense matter/energy that just exploded and everything "evolved" and came to be, as (im)perfect as it is now.

[[MOB]ibrar.123]

what is your religion @oggy bro?

[[Lsrcr]Oggy]

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what evidence is against creation? can you give an example?

with your last sentence you're assuming that my god is inherently "limited". i do not believe in such a god. i believe that god simply was the first, I don't have a better explanation. the human brain is simply incapable of comprehending such things.

If the earth and humans were created as it is now, then whom did our ancestor's fossils belong to? Also, every organisms on earth share some common DNA. How is this possible if creation was true?

So if the first God can pop up out of nowhere without any creator and do all these things, then in that sense it is also possible that the universe popped up out of nothing without a designer.

that isn't a proof against creation. these fossils belong to them, if our "ancestors" looked similar to us, it doesn't mean we evolved from them, lol. how exactly is common DNA a proof against creation, i.e. a proof of evolution? it doesn't prove anything.

yeah, it sounds possible, but I highly doubt that's the case. an intelligent designer out of "nowhere" who created everything makes much more sense to me than an unintelligent ball of dense matter/energy that just exploded and everything "evolved" and came to be, as (im)perfect as it is now.

Do you know how stupid you sound? If they're our ancestors then how come we didn't come from them? See that I didn't mention evolution anywhere but you had to say it because it's the only explaination. We've found the fossils of the transition species from simple to complex beings like humans. Sharing a common DNA means that both organisms came from the same ancestor. If everything on the earth was created as it is now, then how is a common ancestor possible?

Your doubt has nothing to do with facts. To scientists it makes perfect sense. The Big Bang is possible both in your logic and mine. If two things are possible then we chose the correct one by looking at the facts and evidences not from books written years ago by cavemen.

[[Lsrcr]Oggy]

what is your religion @oggy bro?

I used to be a Hindu.

[Ducati.]

The first person in world doesn't came if there is no existence of god and I read that some saying one day all will be proved by science and there is no god . First of all there are some topics that science even can't explain. Like How the first person in world born who made mountains, clouds etc. So there is existence of someone that created this universe.
And If you believe in god for you god exists and if we don't beleive in their existence there is no god for us.
From my pont of view those who have written that they don't beleive in god is just for sake of any reason . Those who keep saying that god "do not exist " themselves beleive in god. Because at any point in your life you get a unexpected Happiness in your life and you are very much thankful to god.
For those who don't believe in existnce of god lemme ask you that did you never worship god ever?

[Ducati.]

I don't believe that god exists. Everything in the universe can be explained rationally explained by science. There's nothing out there that science won't be able to explain one day. It's true that there are some things which science can't explain right now because of the lack of technologies. But our technologies are improving at a fast rate so soon there will be nothing left to be explained. So what is the need for believing that god exists?

Basically i have read this thread today.
Oggy I must ask you that saying god doesn't exist is not a simple thing that at one time you said god doesn't exists and other you will say that god doesn't exists. So basically you accepted that some things that science cannot explain but reason you gave is Due to lack of technology Are you srs? However advance our technology is it can't explain all the facts of nature who born first human being , When is your death coming, Who made water , mountains?
Even anyone can't explain this.
And as you said that i don't beleive in god's existence I would like to ask you some questions.
Q1. Did you never worshipped god?
Q2. Have you ever been thankful for god for an unexpected event?
Q3. In difficult times, hope that never comes in your life,You never begged anything from god?
Even i don't have facts that god exists but saying that god doesn't exists for jus a reason that science is everything isn't a proper fact.

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