Bring back sniper c-bug

[Robin]

Ya’ll keep saying it doesn’t give any true advantage, then why should we re-allow it?

[Uzzwal.]

Ya’ll keep saying it doesn’t give any true advantage, then why should we re-allow it?

[Demon.]

Ya’ll keep saying it doesn’t give any true advantage, then why should we re-allow it?

For fun. Plain and simple. It's fun using other weps instead of just sawns in a fight and before you say use m4 or whatever, you can't, since the moment you stop to take a shot you either dont have time to spray him or you get sprayed with sawns. Sniper's fun, it's different.

And indognito your 'safe haven' statement would've counted if we didn't have the pop up messages you get when you try to deagle c-bug. They can assume bug abusing is allowed all they want, in the end they'll realize that they cant cbug with deagle/combat and they'll figure out that only sniper cbug is allowed. And no what are you talking about it's not at all like an m4, if that's your problem then take a look at jawzom's post. Make sure you read everything before you post all that 'old players complaining they cant get used to it' shit. We got used to a ton of changes and I mean A TON. We can handle this, it'd just be nice if we (everyone ofc) couls get it back since it's different and it's fun.

[e.e]

Basically what I mean is that it should be allowed to c-bug to cancel animation after firing once, obviously not to fire faster with weapons where it can be used for that purpose. It just brings more variety in the gameplay, and makes sure players have more than one viable option when it comes to weapons, and at the same time it makes the gameplay more balanced, when it comes to cops vs criminals.

Sorry if there's long sentences or bad grammar, cba to correct it.

I agree with that, sniper cbug doesn't let you shoot faster, it just gives you more mobility to play with. You can't compare that with deagle/combat or whatever weapon, since you can instantly shoot with these weapons, with sniper, there's always a little delay to the next shot.

Mastro said (in a post) that if more than 70% of the community want something, they'll get it.

To make this a bit more clear, I didn't talk about literally everything, however when more than 2/3 of the community agrees on something then chances are it is going to be implemented. It's not always like that though, there are exceptions.

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We decided to disallow sniper C-bug because server rules clearly state it is against our policy. That specific rule didn't specify which weapon, and that was basically a loophole. We were not taking actions when sniper c-bug was being used and players were getting confused. We decided to allow it not so long ago, in 2018 or so, and there were no issues before that, no complaints how it should be allowed. It doesn't look good when we allow certain type of c-bugs and disallow others.


I believe some of us are really used to it hence why we have a hard time accepting it and getting adapted to this change. Sniper, like an other weapon, has advantages and disadvantages. The pros are the high damage it delivers and its scope (which is a huge plus). The cons are low fire-rate, which is being effected when one c-bugs. It might not give a huge advantage, yes, but it still does. If we think about it, right now we are talking about allowing a bug that surely wouldn't be a thing if GTA SA was made in 2019, and not in 2004.

We don't really want players to take advantage of such bugs, those weapons are not intended to work like that. One simply does not use sniper when a cop is very close. He uses smgs or sawn-off. Any weapon with high fire-rate. Same as when you use sniper if cop is too far away, and not an uzi.

Saying sniper c-bug requires skills is true, but we can say the exact same thing about deagle c-bug which is way harder to master actually. The only bug we allow is 2-shot and that is because it has been a thing since the start of this server. It has been here literally for ages, everyone is adapted to this style. I remember there was a poll back in 2016 and more than 85% were negative on disallowing it. That speaks for itself and it an Ls-rcr thing at this point.

Just like 2 shot bug is allowed, I think sniper C bug should as well remain allowed. It was allowed back in 2018 because it doesn't give much of advantage but I am not sure why did it got removed after a year without causing any big troublesl, I believe only 2 or 3% complaint about this (I think) because when we sniper c bug in a combat it becomes fun and more challenging.

Majority of the members were fine with it

The thing is, as soon as someone gets really good with something (like sniper cbug) it feel's overpowered. But is it really? How many people could take a 2shotter with sniper? Probably I was one of the only one's, and then you get the mind thought " wow, this shits op, he just destroyed me with cbug" but thats not true, if I fight a really good 2 shotter with good running style, I'm dead.

Like I said, it just gives you more choices in playstyles and changes the gameplay a lot, which is a good thing imo. This server run's for like, how long? Whats wrong with changing things up to make it different, adapting to new things? Going always the same way doesn't need to be the right one.

I'd write more, but I'm fcking destroyed from yesterday so I'm just leaving this here.
+1

[ackman]

many rules are being enforced which don't break the game, the realisation that samp is fun is because some shit is meant to be.

It's allowed in many other CnR servers, just bring it back goddamnit

[Ducati.]

-1 because I can't do it

[Mastro]

-1 because I can't do it

I believe all of us here are replying to suggestions in order to better the whole community and server, not ourselves. The fact that you can't do it is not a valid reason to vote negative, let alone a "-1" with barely any explanation. A forum warning has been added, please stay away from such posts since they add nothing useful to the conversation and only show it's about you and not the community as a whole.

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As you guys can see, there is a diversity of opinions, so whether we change that or not there is still going to be a great amount of complaints. Many are positive, many are negative and a couple are neutral. Sniper c-bug was allowed just a year ago and for a decade it was a punishable offense, yet there were no issues. It's wiser to disallow it completely rather than make exceptions. It still does give an advantage, even a slight one, because if it didn't we wouldn't be arguing about bringing it back now.

Apart from that, c-bug reports have increased significantly since its allowance (2018), and that has started to become an issue. Players are used to pressing C right after firing nowadays and some don't even hesitate doing it with any, like deagle. It's definitely easier for someone to do it with all weapons when we permit them doing it with a certain gun, than prohibiting it entirely.

We believe it should stay as it is since its removal hasn't really affected the gameplay at all and we are not fond of allowing any types of bugs apart from 2-shot, which has been a thing since the start of this server. It's normal to be upset, especially when one has spent a lot of time to master it, but honestly it was something we shouldn't have allowed in the first place for the things stated above. There is always a good reason behind any change, and that's something we want all of you to understand.