SWAT SSB

[Crimson]

We can't ignore the fact that not everyone are capable of buying jammer and also we don't spawn with jammer unlike you guys, spawn with full kit, then head directly to ur target even if he got nothing on him y'all still use it, jammer ain't the counter. Add a cooldown or somewhat rule would be find due to the current playerbase.

[saeeddi]

playing Swat against group ofcriminals is a nightmare and the rest of your kit is basically garbage. Nobody is denying that you you should not have strong tools, but "this other thing is broken" isn't a valid excuse for SSB having zero cooldown.

If your only way to win is a literal freeze player exploit, that just proves the game balance is cooked,buff the taser, fix the swat drone, whatever,but infinite bomb spam is just lazy mechanics. Comparing a 3 minute cooldown command to a zero-second spammable bomb is crazy.

If the roles were reversed and criminal had a zero cooldown shock gun, you'd be on the forums in five minutes. You want a buff for your other gear ,Fine but dont act like spamming a broken button makes you pro.

Nobody said the SSB isn't powerful, it's definitely overpowered because it's meant to be, it's meant to be used against several criminals at a time to freeze your character for a few seconds so that we have time to cuff you and even then there is still not much time especially with how long the animation is. However after the nerf there has been no rules for the SSB saying that we cannot use it on only one criminal, there has been an exact previous suggestion like this to nerf SSB and they didn't, what makes you think they will now?
Even you can agree the rest of our kit is trash because of how often we die, I'm not using that as an excuse to spam SSB but why would I not use the most poweful and efficient weapon especially if there is no rule saying we can't spam it? Like I said before, you have a SSB jammer that is designed to be the literal counter of SSB, saying It's a "hassle" to get or it's "expensive" sounds like lame excuses to me.

Maybe I'll suggest to buff some of our other features so that they are actually useable in combat since you all are gonna keep complaining we only use SSB, that's why, cause the rest of our shit RARELY works and anyone who's ever been in S.W.A.T. knows it.

Relying on a broken ssb just cuz the rest of your kit is 'trash' isn't a part of strategy, it's just poor sportsmanship.

saying theres no rule against spamming is is such a bad argument lol. Rules usually exist because people can't be trusted to play fair, and just because the devs havent worked on ssb yet doesnt mean it’s balanced. It just means the meta is boring.

Also, bringing up the SSB jammer is lame. Forcing the whole playerbase to buy a specific, counter just to have a chance at even moving their character isn't tactical, its basically pay to win. If one side has a zero-cooldown SSB and others have to go all the way to black market just to cancel it for "30" seconds feels dumb.

I’m down for you getting all your buffs to your drone, taser so you actually have to use your brain to win a fight. Ur doing it cuz it’s easy mode, and deep down you know the game would be better if you actually had to aim a gun instead of just freezing people in place.

[Wizzy]

Like I said most of you are insanely rich, having hundreds of jailcards to the point where none of you actually do any jail time, affording a jammer once every while isn't that demanding, and we're not the only ones who spawn in with gear, most of you spawn near a house on lsa and use /dweap or just go to the gear checkpoint in lsa to fully regear, get wanted and start a cophunt, while we have to drive our way back everytime instead of spamming /kill the moment you get out of jail.

No one cares about "sportsmanship" you're playing a video game, there's no honor here, people will do anything desperately to win, even if it's unfair, relying in the meta is just being smart.

How is saying "It's not against the rules" a bad argument? It's just true. I'm providing facts and you're just salty that I'm correct. There's no rule saying we can't spam SSB and there's nothing you can do about it.

You're lazy to go to the BM to get a jammer? That's your problem, S.W.A.T. has to constantly go back and forth dragging suspects cause drags are our disadvantage since we have to manually escort our criminals to arrest checkpoints instead of instant /ar jail normal LEO have, and dragging gives criminals a chance to escape, you're gonna complain you're too lazy to go on a quick drive to get BM supplies which helps you out in a fight against law enforcements and not just S.W.A.T.
We always have it much harder which is why we are given these special weapons because we are always the ones who have to bring the fight to you, we always have to chase while you run. It's much easier to run than chase, you can go camp on the rooftops and hide once you're low to heal or sit a house with a chainsaw etc. We never complained about your weapons, cuff kit, taze ref, SSB jammer, until you brought it up about nerfing SSB.
There will always be times where criminals will dogshit on S.W.A.T. just because of the factors I stated above, as well as how there will always be more criminals online, but there will be times where S.W.A.T. will bring it back and arrest/kill everyone, when that happens, don't complain that you lost and instead just accept that you can't win them all and sometimes you just lose. Because you don't see us making suggestions asking to nerf anything when we lose. We accept our loss and move on till we win. That is our mentality.

[saeeddi]

Like I said most of you are insanely rich, having hundreds of jailcards to the point where none of you actually do any jail time, affording a jammer once every while isn't that demanding, and we're not the only ones who spawn in with gear, most of you spawn near a house on lsa and use /dweap or just go to the gear checkpoint in lsa to fully regear, get wanted and start a cophunt, while we have to drive our way back everytime instead of spamming /kill the moment you get out of jail.

No one cares about "sportsmanship" you're playing a video game, there's no honor here, people will do anything desperately to win, even if it's unfair, relying in the meta is just being smart.

How is saying "It's not against the rules" a bad argument? It's just true. I'm providing facts and you're just salty that I'm correct. There's no rule saying we can't spam SSB and there's nothing you can do about it.

You're lazy to go to the BM to get a jammer? That's your problem, S.W.A.T. has to constantly go back and forth dragging suspects cause drags are our disadvantage since we have to manually escort our criminals to arrest checkpoints instead of instant /ar jail normal LEO have, and dragging gives criminals a chance to escape, you're gonna complain you're too lazy to go on a quick drive to get BM supplies which helps you out in a fight against law enforcements and not just S.W.A.T.
We always have it much harder which is why we are given these special weapons because we are always the ones who have to bring the fight to you, we always have to chase while you run. It's much easier to run than chase, you can go camp on the rooftops and hide once you're low to heal or sit a house with a chainsaw etc. We never complained about your weapons, cuff kit, taze ref, SSB jammer, until you brought it up about nerfing SSB.
There will always be times where criminals will dogshit on S.W.A.T. just because of the factors I stated above, as well as how there will always be more criminals online, but there will be times where S.W.A.T. will bring it back and arrest/kill everyone, when that happens, don't complain that you lost and instead just accept that you can't win them all and sometimes you just lose. Because you don't see us making suggestions asking to nerf anything when we lose. We accept our loss and move on till we win. That is our mentality.

lmao "we accept our loss and move on", no u dont, you literally just admitted you spam a broken stun cuz your too scared to lose a fair fight. saying 'relying on the meta is being smart' is just a long way of saying you cant aim for shit without a ssb. if you actually had mentality you’d want to win because you’re better at the game, not because youre abusing a zero cd exploit. And stop crying about driving to a checkpoint or dragging suspects. That’s literally the role u signed up for? your complaining about basic gameplay mechanics while defending a literal game-breaking spam. 'we have it harder' bro you have a team, heavy and a kit made to catch people. If you still need a stun-loop on top of all that just to get a single cuff, that’s a massive skill issue. Also the jammer argument is still braindead. Your basically saying 'i’m gonna keep using this broken glitch-tier item until you pay the BM money to stop me.' That’s not 'facts,' thats just u being a sweat who’s terrified of a meta where you actually have to try. Go ahead and keep spamming it since 'theres no rule against it,' but don’t act like your some tactical genius for pressing one button over and over. You’re just proving the game is cooked if the only way SWAT can function is by freezing people. stay salty tho.

[Wazuki]

This would be unfair to those who know exactly the usage of the SWAT bomb at the right time, especially in difficult situations, like when someone is alone against a team, or when it’s used only as a last resort with low HP. This suggestion was made because there is a single SWAT member clearly abusing it. Come on, Evander, put some effort into actually chasing criminals and use it only when it’s truly needed in hard situations.

As for those trying to suggest solutions like a major cooldown, that’s not a real fix. They’ll simply wait for it to be ready to use and spam it again once the cooldown ends. Once again, BM items are made to counter SWAT features, make sure to be faster and smarter in using them.

[screweD]

The SWAT Bomb in LS-RCR should have a longer cooldown because it creates unfair advantages over other criminals. Its frequent use allows constant area control, leaving little chance for counterplay or strategy. When one tool dominates fights, gameplay becomes repetitive and frustrating.

Increasing the cooldown would encourage smarter timing, teamwork, and skill-based encounters. This change would balance combat, reward planning, and give all criminal classes equal opportunities to compete and enjoy the game fairly for everyone involved overall long term

[69?]

This would be unfair to those who know exactly the usage of the SWAT bomb at the right time, especially in difficult situations, like when someone is alone against a team, or when it’s used only as a last resort with low HP. This suggestion was made because there is a single SWAT member clearly abusing it. Come on, Evander, put some effort into actually chasing criminals and use it only when it’s truly needed in hard situations.

As for those trying to suggest solutions like a major cooldown, that’s not a real fix. They’ll simply wait for it to be ready to use and spam it again once the cooldown ends. Once again, BM items are made to counter SWAT features, make sure to be faster and smarter in using them.

There is no rule that says the SWAT bomb has to be used only in a specific situation or at a specific time. As long as it’s allowed, I can use it whenever I see it fit. Everyone plays differently, and using game mechanics doesn’t equal abusing them. If the admins decide to add rules for it, then fine, but until then, it’s being used within the rules.

[apapaoemama]

Kick Evander out of swat issue will be fixed!

[Crimson]

This would be unfair to those who know exactly the usage of the SWAT bomb at the right time, especially in difficult situations, like when someone is alone against a team, or when it’s used only as a last resort with low HP. This suggestion was made because there is a single SWAT member clearly abusing it. Come on, Evander, put some effort into actually chasing criminals and use it only when it’s truly needed in hard situations.

As for those trying to suggest solutions like a major cooldown, that’s not a real fix. They’ll simply wait for it to be ready to use and spam it again once the cooldown ends. Once again, BM items are made to counter SWAT features, make sure to be faster and smarter in using them.

There is no rule that says the SWAT bomb has to be used only in a specific situation or at a specific time. As long as it’s allowed, I can use it whenever I see it fit. Everyone plays differently, and using game mechanics doesn’t equal abusing them. If the admins decide to add rules for it, then fine, but until then, it’s being used within the rules.

No they don't it's just you so dumb and selfish abusing this feature to capture your target in the easiest way and making unfair gameplay just because you are lazy and braindead to think of any other way to catch ur target. This doesn't seems like swat anymore but just some cops with powerful features. It's either make a cooldown to prevent this people from abusing or somewhat rule to the SSB.

[Bombshell]

As a S.W.A.T. Member I don't meant to be biased but I will defend the usage of SSB, this isn't the first time a suggestion has been posted to nerf SSB and it certainly won't be the last, sure as Cover mentioned we also have other weapons like the increased cuff range, but that doesn't do us a whole lot, when it comes to having a taze/shock battle between a S.W.A.T. member and a criminal, S.W.A.T. is usually the first having to taze, and at the end our tazer runs out first and the criminal is able to get away, not to mention having taze ref, making it so that we use our taze first, as well as it being reflected upon us making it pretty much one sided, and as for the drone, it can only be used for such high ranks that even I haven't unlocked it even after being for over 2 years, while that is no excuse because I am very inactive when it comes to S.W.A.T. but seeing other members use it, it doesn't do much from what I've seen, and for /smh command, used it a bunch and it does work sometimes, but most of the time you are easily caught by other criminals, even if you use a helicopter to hide at a discreet location and use a sniper from far away, you can't do much with the element of surprise as most of the time you will get gunned down, sure it does work but it has a 15 minute cooldown and when it comes to close combat it is useless. The reason we use SSB the most is because it is the most efficient, hands down. With over 2 years of experience I've tried to use all the S.W.A.T. tactics, and none of them work as efficient as the SSB, even /swclimb is useless, most of the time you fail because the building is so high, if you want us to use other tactics and not spam SSB then buff the other mechanics because they are only used at very specific situations that rarely happen.
While on the other hand, criminals have taze ref, which is guaranteed upon a taze, cuff kit which has high chance of /bc, SSB jammer, all these that are guaranteed to efficiently work against us and serve as perfect counters. Saying SSB is unfair, it was never meant to be fair, you think that law enforcement gives a shit about making it fair for criminals? No, they will use anything to arrest you. And it's not like arresting does anything nowadays, everyime I arrest someone they instant /usejailcard and /kill and spawn in their house somewhere in idlewood or lsa and /dweap and instantly fully restock and go wanted again, complaining that you get arrested once per sometime because most of the time S.W.A.T. is constantly dying due to getting outnumbered, and we only spawn in our base where we have to regear and drive back from our far away base. Stop crying about getting SSB'd as a single target when all you do is camp with snipers on high ground, and once you get low go hide and spam /takedrugs 25 or have a team of 5 on top of an infernus with nitro, or sit at the jefferson motel and wait there with chainsaws or hide behind the hallway, I can name several pussy strategies that you guys use that is completely unfair and near impossible for us to counter. You have your unfair advantages we have ours, just cause you die and your "fun" is ruined when 90% of the time you use the same bullshit strategies to kill us, doesn't mean we deserve a nerf.

You saved me a lot of time explaining to those who lack common sense. Staff & developers should read this, and I agree with TheNinjaWizzard, SWAT faction DOESN'T need a nerf.