SWAT SSB

[Panadol]

Your name: Panadol
Suggestion headline: Decreasing the use of SSB
Picture: Keep the picture in this

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Importance of suggestion: 10/10
Why should it be accepted: So basically, I was a highly wanted criminal with Cover and I think Crimson, so first SWAT came in, used SSB on Cover, then I went to help the second SWAT came in with yet another SSB, made it impossible to do anything. What I recommend is that there should be added a delay for the use of SSB among all SWAT members, or you can say in rules you can use SSB only when there is 4+ criminals, and I would suggest adding both, since the low number of players some of the times, it is really impossible to deal with it. If there is someone who can provide an example, please do!

[Daemon]

i agree with you+1

[Crimson]

Indeed. Using SSB on single person with worrying about getting cuffed because you basically can't escape if you do. I've witnessed and experienced this scene more often or to be clear everytime i cophunt. Swat got many other features that can help them without abusing SSB. Let's be honest, SSB is getting abusing everytime, Swat members who abuse this feature forget about other features that can help them catch their suspect without making it unfair. Trying to escape their cuff range and unlimited taze itself is miracle and image if they use SSB with it which is what swat doing when they find their self in a 1v1 situation or even 2v1 they still use it. And here is a simple example of what is swat members doing and how cophunting in ls-rcr looks like.
https://youtu.be/mN_cGn3btSg


Add cooldown +1

[Karu_Tepes]

Let's not forget the the ONLY counter to it is to go to the BM and buy a jammer, which we can only buy once, and only works for thirty seconds. Oh, and you wanna talk about using it on a single person? Some jackass the other day set one off on me while I WASNT WANTED because he had hit. Yeah, it affects unwanted hitmen, and he used to on me to escape. Either nerf the number that can be carried and fix that stupid ass bug, or give Pagati some way to counter SWAT so we can assist the other users.

[Crimson]

Let's not forget the the ONLY counter to it is to go to the BM and buy a jammer, which we can only buy once, and only works for thirty seconds. Oh, and you wanna talk about using it on a single person? Some jackass the other day set one off on me while I WASNT WANTED because he had hit. Yeah, it affects unwanted hitmen, and he used to on me to escape. Either nerf the number that can be carried and fix that stupid ass bug, or give Pagati some way to counter SWAT so we can assist the other users.

You are not going to waste your money and goto blackmarket everytime you die, we gotta be fast. And no even with a Jammer they will find anyway to abuse it. They can even surpass your thinking and do it as soon as they hit the ground giving you no time to place ur jammer and we can't ignore that placing a jammer take's time because of the animation and trust me swat will never ignore that chance in cuffing you at any cost. Ain't the best counter.

[Panadol]

Let's not forget the the ONLY counter to it is to go to the BM and buy a jammer, which we can only buy once, and only works for thirty seconds. Oh, and you wanna talk about using it on a single person? Some jackass the other day set one off on me while I WASNT WANTED because he had hit. Yeah, it affects unwanted hitmen, and he used to on me to escape. Either nerf the number that can be carried and fix that stupid ass bug, or give Pagati some way to counter SWAT so we can assist the other users.

Well as Crimson said as well, its a trip to BM and a waste of money, but in my opinion it's not only affecting Pagati, the whole criminal system really.

[ThoraX]

the whole suggestion is written by a criminal's POV after losing,

so the solution is to remove or limit the SSB because some assholes don't like getting caught? and using a SWAT feature for its real purpose is called "abuse"? interesting

to clear it up, the majority of the SSB usage exists as a defensive feature used under pressure situations to avoid dying and to safely handle suspects.

"you can say in rules you can use SSB only when there is 4+ criminals" following this idea, if a SWAT member faced 2 or 3 crims, what should he do? accept death because the rule says that the number is not enough to use the SSB? (that's when pussy criminals gameplay forces the SWAT member into no-solution situations) lmao

if the SSB was truly unfair, it would never been added to SWAT, but this feature has been part and existed too many years already. and suddenly now its a problem and abuse?

doesn't make sense at all.

all this bullshit is just so you keep enjoy hunting SWAT freely without limits, nah.

[Wizzy]

Heavy disagree, Old SSB was already very dangerous and had a bunch of rules on how and when you can use it because of how overpowered it was, thus it had to be nerfed but with the exchange of now that it has no rules and you can use it on any wanted anywhere, even if it is only one target. S.W.A.T. is a law enforcment faction/organization, and for that it is obviously meant to be way more threatening than any criminal/mafia organization, deployed with the most advanced tactics and weapons, it's literally in the name. Special Weapons and Tactics.
And having 2+ years of experience as a S.W.A.T. member, the ratio between S.W.A.T. members and other criminals far outweigh us, Most of my time (and other members) I've always been outnumbered by criminals, which is why we are issued these special weapons so we are able to deal with several of you. While I understand the frustration of getting hit by a SSB as a singular target, you also have your own counters, as mentioned the SSB Jammer is meant to completely counter the SSB and make it useless, as well as if there are multiple criminals with it you can keep using it and stay nearby so you don't get hit and take us out. If you're gonna complain about having to run to BM and use your money, that's on you because I know most of you are insanely rich because you play all the time. We also have to deal with constantly dying and having to restock our gear and redeploy. And in cases where we use SSB when there are several criminals, at most you can only focus on criminal while the other gun you down. S.W.A.T. is a team based faction meaning S.W.A.T. were always meant to team with each other, but being how S.W.A.T. is difficult to get into nowadays, there's barely anyone online.
If S.W.A.T. was actually active and had a few members online at once, we would easily be able to take out several criminals with just 1 SSB, but seeing now that there are constant cophunts with several wanted versus like 1-2 S.W.A.T. members, we developed a habit of just popping SSB off rip because that's really the most we could do towards such a large cophunt, and even sometimes that still fails and we can't do anything due to the heavy number of criminals.
And sure, using a SSB on a singular criminal is unfair but that's how it's meant to be, S.W.A.T./ SA Army is more threatening than any other criminal/mafia organization. The only thing you can do it team up with others to outnumber us. It's easy to become a criminal, very difficult to be a S.W.A.T. Member.

[Karu_Tepes]

the whole suggestion is written by a criminal's POV after losing,

so the solution is to remove or limit the SSB because some assholes don't like getting caught? and using a SWAT feature for its real purpose is called "abuse"? interesting

to clear it up, the majority of the SSB usage exists as a defensive feature used under pressure situations to avoid dying and to safely handle suspects.

"you can say in rules you can use SSB only when there is 4+ criminals" following this idea, if a SWAT member faced 2 or 3 crims, what should he do? accept death because the rule says that the number is not enough to use the SSB? (that's when pussy criminals gameplay forces the SWAT member into no-solution situations) lmao

if the SSB was truly unfair, it would never been added to SWAT, but this feature has been part and existed too many years already. and suddenly now its a problem and abuse?

doesn't make sense at all.

all this bullshit is just so you keep enjoy hunting SWAT freely without limits, nah.

I would like you to go back to my post where I said someone used it AGAINST ME, when I was UNWANTED.

Using the SSB against criminals is fine by me, that's the purpose of it. Do I like it being used against only me? Not really, touch unfair, but against 3+ users it's entirely fair game and I see no issue in it being deployed that way. My issue is solely in that UNWANTED HITMEN can be affected by the SSB. The user who used it against me, a single player (I did not have any backup at the time) when I was unwanted did so so he could escape.

[Panadol]

Heavy disagree, Old SSB was already very dangerous and had a bunch of rules on how and when you can use it because of how overpowered it was, thus it had to be nerfed but with the exchange of now that it has no rules and you can use it on any wanted anywhere, even if it is only one target. S.W.A.T. is a law enforcment faction/organization, and for that it is obviously meant to be way more threatening than any criminal/mafia organization, deployed with the most advanced tactics and weapons, it's literally in the name. Special Weapons and Tactics.
And having 2+ years of experience as a S.W.A.T. member, the ratio between S.W.A.T. members and other criminals far outweigh us, Most of my time (and other members) I've always been outnumbered by criminals, which is why we are issued these special weapons so we are able to deal with several of you. While I understand the frustration of getting hit by a SSB as a singular target, you also have your own counters, as mentioned the SSB Jammer is meant to completely counter the SSB and make it useless, as well as if there are multiple criminals with it you can keep using it and stay nearby so you don't get hit and take us out. If you're gonna complain about having to run to BM and use your money, that's on you because I know most of you are insanely rich because you play all the time. We also have to deal with constantly dying and having to restock our gear and redeploy. And in cases where we use SSB when there are several criminals, at most you can only focus on criminal while the other gun you down. S.W.A.T. is a team based faction meaning S.W.A.T. were always meant to team with each other, but being how S.W.A.T. is difficult to get into nowadays, there's barely anyone online.
If S.W.A.T. was actually active and had a few members online at once, we would easily be able to take out several criminals with just 1 SSB, but seeing now that there are constant cophunts with several wanted versus like 1-2 S.W.A.T. members, we developed a habit of just popping SSB off rip because that's really the most we could do towards such a large cophunt, and even sometimes that still fails and we can't do anything due to the heavy number of criminals.
And sure, using a SSB on a singular criminal is unfair but that's how it's meant to be, S.W.A.T./ SA Army is more threatening than any other criminal/mafia organization. The only thing you can do it team up with others to outnumber us. It's easy to become a criminal, very difficult to be a S.W.A.T. Member.

I respect what you said, you said you heavily disagree yet you say you get outnumbered by criminals most of the time, so you are agreeing with my point to some degree, I said putting some rules, meaning if you are outnumbered yes use it its okay, but 2 SWATs vs 1 criminal and using SSB is ridiculous, the amount of boring gameplay nowadays and feature dependency is outrageous, there is 0 respect in fights, no fun just straight up doing the work easily, if there is alot of requirements to get into SWAT and skills, then why easily provide a simple way to destroy a whole team of criminals, doesn't sound like depending on skills anymore which was required to join. With all respect!