Remove fast-skins

[Mockery]

We all hate luckers who just randomly turn around and shoot without aiming and kill you. That's really annoying. But not everything is about dueling. You can kill that player on many ways. Armies have 5 deadly vehicles. Swats have its own features and tactics. Both cops and criminals have fast skins. You can't hit fast skin user? Use /sh /taze, simple. Those skins have been around since beginning of Lsrcr and it would be a shame to remove that part of history. Even sometimes players use fast skin because of its looks. A lot of skins would get removed and I'd miss seeing CJ, Truth, Ryder, Sweet etc. around.

Maybe instead of totally removing fast skins, we could rather work on improving the damage system at LSRCR. It is very absurd if you compare it to other servers. 300 pingers = no damage. Also if someone is on drugs, when you shoot them their hp instant regenerates from 20 to 100. If this gets fixed people would be more than happy to duel with fast skins and removing them wont be needed.

[Karu_Tepes]

I wouldn't say it is a tiny problem Karu, it don't affects you cause you're not in the army, swat or any Leo groups fast skins are annoying on so many levels most of the time they start running speeds you cant see them, they use drugs also with high ass pings, you can't hit most of yo shots cause they ass be glitching here to there. it's annoying and I agree with e.e on this remove those skin. they are mostly used by the ban evaders hackers anyways.

Maybe you check Reports once in a while. You know how often kids abuse everything you just said trying to evade hits? I'm one of Pagati's best, and I see these same problems. But of all the problems I see with drugs, high pings, and so on, their skin choice has little to no impact on me.

[Karu_Tepes]

I still say this is dumb. There's 100 other issues with balance at the moment, and removing skins is just such a low damn priority. Sounds more like a case of whining about tiny problems to ignore the bigger ones because bigger changes would negatively effect their dueling abilities.

We need to nerf sawnoffs and drugs, not which skins people can use.

Okay listen, it actually sounds more like you've got a problem with 2 shot in general. Don't forget that this isn't a real roleplay server, it is semi-roleplay with deathmatch abilities. Yes I get your point, you don't like this schema, since most of the time you RP. But I just wanna remind you, back when sniper c-bug got removed, they stated that 2-shot was here since the beginning and will ever be.
Also I was one of the guys who used sniper c-bug very much and needed also to adapt. It nerfed my gameplay, still I'm as good as before. The thing is, a good player will always be a good player, no matter how the gameplay changes.

Back then at one point, I supported the suggestion to remove sawn's. But if they wanted to make the server more roleplayish, then they should have also implemented things like the silencer-tazer which was also in discuss, what happened? It never got introduced, instead we're still here typing commands for things like that.

If I personally already struggle to kill these people, I don't wanna know how it feels for others. This suggestion isn't only for me to get an advantage, it is to make things more equal. Did you ever fight someone with high ping, drugs, and a fast skin? If you did, you would understand the problem.

Listen, there are many players who like to play with the fast skin, and I am one of them, so if the fast skin is removed, it will not be a good solution. The situation will become better if the fast skin to army is added, This will make both parties satisfied.

Yea, that would absolutely destroy the gameplay even more. Then we're gonna all just run around with fast skins, and people like mechanics/swats would be just fucked in fights all day.

As I said before, I one of Pagati's top people. I deal with this while taking hits every day. In context, LEOs can taze, swat bomb, make roadblocks, use fucking HYDRAS! You know what I get to assist me in my claiming hits? NOTHING! No special vehicles, no special commands, I get nothing. Army has the ability to blow these people the fuck up with Hydras, Hunters, Grenades! I get fucking nothing! You think you fucking suffer, come work for me and really see how bad the shit these kids pull is.

I fight these people one on one with the exact same resources they have: drugs, sawn offs, sniper rifles. And my ping is stable and low. I don't have a quote unquote "fast skin". And I go in, I do my job, and despite the fact I have to put with it, knowing that a loss means being robbed of a significant amount of cash, I do it without complaint. The only thing I bitch about is how they abuse houses/shops/bases and AFK or /q abuse. And of course when they are bugged and refuse to relog. But trust me, it's far worse for me than it is for you, and I'm saying it's not a big a deal as the other problems, maybe you should consider why I have that opinion.

[e.e]

I still say this is dumb. There's 100 other issues with balance at the moment, and removing skins is just such a low damn priority. Sounds more like a case of whining about tiny problems to ignore the bigger ones because bigger changes would negatively effect their dueling abilities.

We need to nerf sawnoffs and drugs, not which skins people can use.

Okay listen, it actually sounds more like you've got a problem with 2 shot in general. Don't forget that this isn't a real roleplay server, it is semi-roleplay with deathmatch abilities. Yes I get your point, you don't like this schema, since most of the time you RP. But I just wanna remind you, back when sniper c-bug got removed, they stated that 2-shot was here since the beginning and will ever be.
Also I was one of the guys who used sniper c-bug very much and needed also to adapt. It nerfed my gameplay, still I'm as good as before. The thing is, a good player will always be a good player, no matter how the gameplay changes.

Back then at one point, I supported the suggestion to remove sawn's. But if they wanted to make the server more roleplayish, then they should have also implemented things like the silencer-tazer which was also in discuss, what happened? It never got introduced, instead we're still here typing commands for things like that.

If I personally already struggle to kill these people, I don't wanna know how it feels for others. This suggestion isn't only for me to get an advantage, it is to make things more equal. Did you ever fight someone with high ping, drugs, and a fast skin? If you did, you would understand the problem.

Listen, there are many players who like to play with the fast skin, and I am one of them, so if the fast skin is removed, it will not be a good solution. The situation will become better if the fast skin to army is added, This will make both parties satisfied.

Yea, that would absolutely destroy the gameplay even more. Then we're gonna all just run around with fast skins, and people like mechanics/swats would be just fucked in fights all day.

As I said before, I one of Pagati's top people. I deal with this while taking hits every day. In context, LEOs can taze, swat bomb, make roadblocks, use fucking HYDRAS! You know what I get to assist me in my claiming hits? NOTHING! No special vehicles, no special commands, I get nothing. Army has the ability to blow these people the fuck up with Hydras, Hunters, Grenades! I get fucking nothing! You think you fucking suffer, come work for me and really see how bad the shit these kids pull is.

I fight these people one on one with the exact same resources they have: drugs, sawn offs, sniper rifles. And my ping is stable and low. I don't have a quote unquote "fast skin". And I go in, I do my job, and despite the fact I have to put with it, knowing that a loss means being robbed of a significant amount of cash, I do it without complaint. The only thing I bitch about is how they abuse houses/shops/bases and AFK or /q abuse. And of course when they are bugged and refuse to relog. But trust me, it's far worse for me than it is for you, and I'm saying it's not a big a deal as the other problems, maybe you should consider why I have that opinion.

Yeah, but we are also very limited with Hydra and Hunter. We can't just blow them up, for example the hydra is just limited to Most wanteds / reds teaming with MW - with hunter we can not shoot at all, unless they're in a chopper.

I fight these people one on one with the exact same resources they have: drugs, sawn offs, sniper rifles. And my ping is stable and low. I don't have a quote unquote "fast skin". And I go in, I do my job, and despite the fact I have to put with it, knowing that a loss means being robbed of a significant amount of cash, I do it without complaint. The only thing I bitch about is how they abuse houses/shops/bases and AFK or /q abuse. And of course when they are bugged and refuse to relog.

I share your whole text here, I have the same problems everyday, I play with a 30 ping and the only difference between us both is, that I've put like thousands of hours into my gameplay to practice my fighting skills. I don't do this suggestion for me at all, I can kill these people, I can also take them in 1v2's , but that can not be said for the rest of the playerbase. Those people get a massive advantage using these skins. Yes, maybe that isn't the main problem - the hit registration on this server is overall very fucked up. But it's a beginning - its like in every other game, you've got a meta, and the meta gets abused until it gets nerfed. In my opinion, i'm doing people like you just a favour with this suggestion.

[e.e]

Now I have a question I have to ask you. When you're criminal, don't you use fast skin and have fun while u killing cops like what faraon said..

No, I never use fast skins, never, literally never. Ask anyone in this server, when im criminal, I'm always in a mechanic skin. Back in 2011 when I started learning 2 shot, these things weren't a thing, it's just a low thing to use.
I have a question to you, why did sniper c-bug get removed? Because people couldn't adapt to it, it took actually some skill to kill people with it. It gave you a mobility boost, what about fast skins? You literally just spin in a circle, abuse the ping + drugs because you use the hit registration to your advantage, thats it. If you people can't play without it, then you're just bad, as hard as it sounds.

[Karu_Tepes]

I share your whole text here, I have the same problems everyday, I play with a 30 ping and the only difference between us both is, that I've put like thousands of hours into my gameplay to practice my fighting skills. I don't do this suggestion for me at all, I can kill these people, I can also take them in 1v2's , but that can not be said for the rest of the playerbase. Those people get a massive advantage using these skins. Yes, maybe that isn't the main problem - the hit registration on this server is overall very fucked up. But it's a beginning - its like in every other game, you've got a meta, and the meta gets abused until it gets nerfed. In my opinion, i'm doing people like you just a favour with this suggestion.

I get what you're saying, although you've no where near the time in SA-MP I do, not even CXdur does. We've known about 'fast skins' since the very start, and it's not possible to fix them without changing the defaults on every skin. But in the numerous servers I've played, even as admin, dev, mapper, and so on, "fast skin" has never been seen as a problem. It's never been significant enough of an issue to be. It's always been guns, c-bug, healing, or other issues.

I'd rather see drugs be far more useless and hard to get, and sawn-offs be nearly impossible to get without certain groups like Pagati and Army having them easy. That would be a way better balance. But fast skins? It's just not the pressing issue for Ls-rcr.

[ABo3ZaT]

Now I have a question I have to ask you. When you're criminal, don't you use fast skin and have fun while u killing cops like what faraon said..

No, I never use fast skins, never, literally never. Ask anyone in this server, when im criminal, I'm always in a mechanic skin. Back in 2011 when I started learning 2 shot, these things weren't a thing, it's just a low thing to use.
I have a question to you, why did sniper c-bug get removed? Because people couldn't adapt to it, it took actually some skill to kill people with it. It gave you a mobility boost, what about fast skins? You literally just spin in a circle, abuse the ping + drugs because you use the hit registration to your advantage, thats it. If you people can't play without it, then you're just bad, as hard as it sounds.

Listen, at first I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was talking about most of the players when i said you don't use the fast skin, and secondly, this was your opinion. You said what you said, but there are other players who play with it, and then the army can use drugs, not criminals only, only if the fast skin is removed from the game, there will be a balance in the game, and also if a fast skin is added to army/swat/mech, there will be balances and it will make those who like to play with the fast skin enjoy And for those who like to play with the slow skin, you have the freedom to choose.

Also, I don't play most of my time with the fast skin, I can even play with the fast skin and slow skin

[Notorious]

just play the game without nitpicking every little thing... if a skin is faster so what? use it when you're a criminal.

i get along fine as an army member fighting against fast skins.

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[Flight]

just play the game without nitpicking every little thing... if a skin is faster so what? use it when you're a criminal.

i get along fine as an army member fighting against fast skins.

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[Notorious]

Unc3n wont use fast skin anymore