Improvement in Cops and Robbers Game play [DENIED]

[Uzzwal.]

Your name: [Lsrcr]Uzzwal
Suggestion headline: Improvement in Cops and Robbers Game play
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Importance of suggestion: 8/10 (Shows how much it would mean to server/players)
Why should it be accepted: So, I have few suggestion here and i will list them all with reasons.

Shift Black Market a bit far from prime Location of Lsrcr.: So, players are easily getting whatever they want inside Black market and Black market is at very peak Location, Jefferson Train tunnel. I just see active players around LSA, El Corona Idlewood and commerce, but the locations like Rodeo, Temple, Richman, Mulholland not much active, So I have a feeling that that's not the suitable place for black market as lspdu base is right there near it, and It was also already active location, It's too easy for players to go and get whatever they want, So My point here is Atleast they should suffer a bit to go Black Market. So, Why not shift Black market to another locations a bit far from Lsrcr's Active locations, it can be Blueberry, Mulholland or anywhere a bit far from player's reach. I prefer the Blackmarket to be in Flint county train tunnel, which is also near Taxi Driver's base. I know this will be a bit disadvantage but it's worth it. To get something you must struggle a bit, Nothing should come easy.

I suggested this because classes like weapon Dealer, Drug dealer aren't being much used because it's easy and very near to get into Black market and players get everything there already cuz it's already in prime Location of Lsrcr.
I will connect this suggestion with my another suggestion below and talk about some advantages Criminals should get to balance gameplay of criminals.


Let the Civilians or Criminals Rob/rape/Kidnap another player without being Exhausted. So, I know many of you will come up with reason "It's not good idea" but Let me clarify you.
If the criminals can Rob/Rape/Kidnap another players very quickly without being exhausted, the crimes will increase in Lsrcr and cops/SWAT/Army will often get work to do instead of waiting and ask in mainchat "More crime Please". I am not saying to allow to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again. (In this case If players tries to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again, make them exhausted but let them rob/rape/kidnap another player without being exhausted)) This will increase the crime activity in server and players will also enjoy playing as criminal without being annoyed.

I also have another suggestion topic regarding "Police Class" I'll add the link here to connect my suggestions to balance gameplay of Lsrcr.

viewtopic.php?f=620&t=102274


I'll highly appreciate a friendly discussions and your point of view. Please don't suggest something which just helps to increase TDM gameplay. Thank you.

[Amadeus]

Shift Black Market a bit far from prime Location of Lsrcr.: So, players are easily getting whatever they want inside Black market and Black market is at very peak Location, Jefferson Train tunnel. I just see active players around LSA, El Corona Idlewood and commerce, but the locations like Rodeo, Temple, Richman, Mulholland not much active, So I have a feeling that that's not the suitable place for black market as lspdu base is right there near it, and It was also already active location, It's too easy for players to go and get whatever they want, So My point here is Atleast they should suffer a bit to go Black Market. So, Why not shift Black market to another locations a bit far from Lsrcr's Active locations, it can be Blueberry, Mulholland or anywhere a bit far from player's reach. I prefer the Blackmarket to be in Flint county train tunnel, which is also near Taxi Driver's base. I know this will be a bit disadvantage but it's worth it. To get something you must struggle a bit, Nothing should come easy.
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+1 for this because most of the newbies are staying inside the blackmarket.

What if, just reduce the cooldown for them and disallow the /loc while they are inside the bm?

[prabash 4]

+1
I like this suggestion
Well, I too have noticed that this exhausted system has decreased the crime rate of Lsrcr and cops are more active in server. So yeah Players should be able to rob/rape/kidnap not same players but yeah different players again and again without being exhausted and this will definitely bring up crimes in Lsrcr.

Talking about BlackMarket i too feel same
Black Market has ruined a gameplay of Lsrcr and made everything very easy for players because it is in one of the prime location of Lsrcr. I atleast i understand we cannot remove it but we can shift it to out of Ls like in Flint county, Near Blueberry train tunnel Or atleast out of Ls city.

I already support the third suggestion of the link you provided.

[Ducati.]

It's fine the way it is.
The location of blackmarket is perfect for me. As the that cave is the correct to do illegal things and that's why that place was selected. And making it away from city will just demotivate many players to go to bm and buy things.
The players who use bm items such as taze ref, shocks, cuffkit etc will avoid to use it while cophunting as the place is very far. This will just reduce the use of bm items for sure.
So negative

Negative for second one too. Because if you keep robbing players, this will give advantage to all fast soc players. And some players who aren't that fast will just end up getting robbed themselves. Especially in populated areas only 1 person will end up robbing eveyone and there will be timeout for others.
I guess I understood your second suggestion right. If not let me know.

[Uzzwal.]

The location of blackmarket is perfect for me. As the that cave is the correct to do illegal things and that's why that place was selected. And making it away from city will just demotivate many players to go to bm and buy things.

Yes here, You should think from "What game has to offer you?" Rather than "How gameplay can be easy?"
I know Jefferson is location which makes players to reach easily but Black market gives you lot of advantages, You get many items which helps you to counter Leos along with wallet,cork and Drugs too. But here i am trying to tell is, This is just promoting TDM type gameplay, so If you still wanna use Black market items, Nothing will demotivate you from going into Black Market even if it's a bit out Of Los Santos. Flint County, Blueberry or Mullholland is not much far. If you do not struggle even a bit to get those items which helps you to counter cops, Our mindset will just be fighting leos now, Which has been problem nowadays, CNR gameplay is not meant to kill each other. There must be struggle to get something. I am sure players will still use Black market even if it's shifted out of City. It's fine even if we keep it very close to city but not just inside city. and another reason is that Jefferson location is just killing classes like Weapon dealer and drug dealer.

Negative for second one too. Because if you keep robbing players, this will give advantage to all fast soc players. And some players who aren't that fast will just end up getting robbed themselves. Especially in populated areas only 1 person will end up robbing eveyone and there will be timeout for others.

I made this suggestion to encourage players to commit crime by robbing/ raping and kidnapping and also using other crime classes rather than being wanted and hunting cops. Player Exhausted timer is just stopping players to rob rape or kidnap another player for a while and they have no option left rather then hunting leos and many end up getting killed or jailed.

I mean just let players rob another player without being exhausted but if he attemps to rob or rape same player, player should be exhausted but if he attemps to rob another player he should not be exhausted. It's not easy to rob all the players as you mentioned here, Player won't stand in same place so he gets robbed.

Also, It depends upon your skills when we talk about fast SOC players, They must increase their skills rather then finding solution for them. isn't it? Nobody shows sympathy to the weaker one's, in game or even if it's real life where there is competition.

[ackman]

the crimes will increase in Lsrcr and cops/SWAT/Army will often get work to do instead of waiting and ask in mainchat "More crime Please". I am not saying to allow to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again. (In this case If players tries to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again, make them exhausted but let them rob/rape/kidnap another player without being exhausted)) This will increase the crime activity in server and players will also enjoy playing as criminal without being annoyed.

There's probably lack of crime activity for weeks now because I including my group members are pretty inactive and there's a reason behind it. I'll host the same events & cop hunts I including my group members used to, only if we get what we're waiting for.. everybody knows that! Expecting it to be dealt with as soon as possible and I'm sure you'll notice a nice change in the server then!

[prabash 4]

the crimes will increase in Lsrcr and cops/SWAT/Army will often get work to do instead of waiting and ask in mainchat "More crime Please". I am not saying to allow to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again. (In this case If players tries to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again, make them exhausted but let them rob/rape/kidnap another player without being exhausted)) This will increase the crime activity in server and players will also enjoy playing as criminal without being annoyed.

There's probably lack of crime activity for weeks now because I including my group members are pretty inactive and there's a reason behind it. I'll host the same events & cop hunts I including my group members used to, only if we get what we're waiting for.. everybody knows that! Expecting it to be dealt with as soon as possible and I'm sure you'll notice a nice change in the server then!

Ackman, Groups will do cop hunt which doesn't sound good at all because it goes more like war games but keeping this aside, what about players who's not in group?

Also Uzzwal is talking about making criminals classes active and he mean it should be allowed to use more frequently so that crime rates will go up in different way and not just for purpose of hunting leos.

[Ducati.]

the crimes will increase in Lsrcr and cops/SWAT/Army will often get work to do instead of waiting and ask in mainchat "More crime Please". I am not saying to allow to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again. (In this case If players tries to rob/rape/kidnap same player again and again, make them exhausted but let them rob/rape/kidnap another player without being exhausted)) This will increase the crime activity in server and players will also enjoy playing as criminal without being annoyed.

There's probably lack of crime activity for weeks now because I including my group members are pretty inactive and there's a reason behind it. I'll host the same events & cop hunts I including my group members used to, only if we get what we're waiting for.. everybody knows that! Expecting it to be dealt with as soon as possible and I'm sure you'll notice a nice change in the server then!

Ackman, Groups will do cop hunt which doesn't sound good at all because it goes more like war games but keeping this aside, what about players who's not in group?

Also Uzzwal is talking about making criminals classes active and he mean it should be allowed to use more frequently so that crime rates will go up in different way and not just for purpose of hunting leos.

The way he suggested is not gonna be good to increase crime. I have posted what it will mostly do. And about that war thing, what's wrong with it? You are talking about deathmatch and killing. What happens when the cops do the same? They also kill criminals. The fact is that if you will do a survey you will get to know what is liked here.

Demotivating criminals and cophunting is a bad idea. And the suggestion uzzwal gave to increase criminal is to removal cooldown of recent robbery right. And this will increase crime? So basically what we do is rob every time and do nothing. And shifting bm to far location.
This will just demotivate and decrease criminal activity. And if you want it to, go for it.

Cops easily get everything at their bases but for criminals there is a place and if you will make it far away then people will not be using bm items.
I suggest you guys to not suggest these ideas against criminals all the time because this will end in decreasing in amount of criminals and even some players (who used to be playing this server for being balanced from both sides). At last the same cops who suggest these ideas are the one who asks for " More crime"

Oh I want to ask you a question prab,

Does it sound good when cop aks for "More crime" in main chat?

[Uzzwal.]

The way he suggested is not gonna be good to increase crime. I have posted what it will mostly do. And about that war thing, what's wrong with it? You are talking about deathmatch and killing. What happens when the cops do the same? They also kill criminals. The fact is that if you will do a survey you will get to know what is liked here.

Demotivating criminals and cophunting is a bad idea. And the suggestion uzzwal gave to increase criminal is to removal cooldown of recent robbery right. And this will increase crime? So basically what we do is rob every time and do nothing. And shifting bm to far location.
This will just demotivate and decrease criminal activity. And if you want it to, go for it.

Cops easily get everything at their bases but for criminals there is a place and if you will make it far away then people will not be using bm items.
I suggest you guys to not suggest these ideas against criminals all the time because this will end in decreasing in amount of criminals and even some players (who used to be playing this server for being balanced from both sides). At last the same cops who suggest these ideas are the one who asks for " More crime"

Oh I want to ask you a question prab,

Does it sound good when cop aks for "More crime" in main chat?

Hey Ducati,
Lsrcr should be offering a Cops and Robbers gameplay and there are lot of servers with TDM gameplay, Those servers are there for war and all. I am just suggesting to make it more like Cols and Robbers gameplay but not to promote TDM here. Also i already mentioned There are many class to choose and class like Weapons Dealer and Drug dealer is being useless because of BM being in prime location.

And i have connected my suggestions with my another suggestions too and there's link above in post.
I am Basically suggested for both sides Leos and Civilians.
If you are really into TDM type of gameplay there are lot of servers for that and i made this suggestion by keeping in mind that this server is semi rp Cops and Robbers server and What Cops and Robbers should be.
I don't understand why do you want everything to be so easy, It's like playing FIFA in Amateur Mode, I bet shifting Blackmarket will not ruin anything, It will just make dead locations active and players will spread around rather then playing just around LSA.
With some disadvantages of Criminals i have also listed some advantages above
And also i have suggested some disadvantages that cops should have and the link is above in the post.

Cops and Robbers server is not meant to be like it is now. You might have enjoyed playing TDM type of gameplay but i have noticed lots of newbies being annoyed by the current gameplay including my some friends whom i invited to play Lsrcr and quit within few days.

[Mr.DollarMan]

The location of BM is quite good, it doesn't needs to be changed. If you are bringing the struggle logic in it then no one should be getting things on spawn. Everyone should go to shops to get different items/thing.
The location is still a bit far from the main city if you see it from a different prespective. About your complain that a lot of locations inside Ls city are not being used frequently, the developers can add rob-able business shops like Inside-Track or something else to make those locations crowded.

I am neutral on your second suggestion because it can help the crime level to get increased but it can also be abused in certain ways.

I didn't read your 3rd suggestion so I am not giving my opinion on it.