Money loss instead of losing everything upon death

[Nyut]

Your name: Nyut
Suggestion headline: Add a feature where you lost X amount of money instead of losing everything upon your death
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Hi, so as you all know the new update has a feature where upon death, you will lose all of your money. This was kind of a hard blow for almost everyone, especially the ones relying on robbery for the bread. It was made harder since LEO's will choose to kill instead of arrest since they knew if they kill the criminals, they would lose all of their money (just for the fun of it i guess). Because of this, most people would either choose to be LEOs instead, or rob outside of LS.

Now this was all fine and dandy, until the server got restarted (12th of January, around 11-12pm GMT+7) and [Lsrcr]Danny stated that robbery OUTSIDE of LS is reduced to 70%. I tested this and i only got around 800-1.2k$ per store instead of the usual 1.7-1.9k as a Con Artist. On top of the "dead = lose everything", this has become a little bit worrying since that means if you want to get more money, you have to rob in LS, which has a TON of traffic. Means you will be robbing small amounts of money but being safe outside of LS, or risk it and keep robbing in LS with a high chance that the LEOs will kill you instead of arresting you.

To be honest, i know what the seniors and devs wanted from implementing the system, it's as a precaution to not let the economy getting fucked up as it was back then. But at this point, it has become an annoyance for robbers and we live in "fear" of getting killed and lost all of our hours of grind. Also considering that we literally restarted from 0, you know.

So my suggestion is, either give a fixed money loss around 2k-4k depending on the amount of money we have in our pocket, OR implement a system where 50% of your total amount of money in your pocket as a loss when you're dead. By doing this, we don't have to worry about losing too much of our grind money, and there's no need to change any LEO systems (AKA killing is fine since crims wont lose too much money).

OR you can implement a system where EVERY SINGLE LEOs should do /su commands before doing ANYTHING to the criminals. IF the criminals didn't fight back and surrendered by pressing a button, you CANNOT kill them in any way and you have to arrest. IF the criminals fought back, LEOs are allowed to open fire and kill the criminal. Sounds kinda RP-ish, and criminals have the choice to not be killed and lost everything, so it's kinda win-win. But this suggestion requires a lot more thought and considerations.

That's all i wanted to say, i'm open for any corrections/mistakes i made in here, and also suggestions coming from you all. Thank you.

[Karu_Tepes]

OR you can implement a system where EVERY SINGLE LEO should do /su commands before doing ANYTHING to the criminals. IF the criminals didn't fight back and surrendered by pressing a button, you CANNOT kill them in any way and you have to arrest. IF the criminals fought back, LEOs are allowed to open fire and kill the criminal. Sounds kinda RP-ish, and criminals have the choice to not be killed and lost everything, so it's kinda win-win. But this suggestion requires a lot more thought and suggestions.

I suggested this, they added a 2000 fine to LEOs doing it. But We really need harder than that. I like your way of doing it. Make it so the cops cant harm us unless we harm them.

[BeaTen.]

2k fine isn't enough to stop me, all cops are uc accounts, they don't give a fuck even if you deduct 20k per kill, they get weapons for free anyway and can be leo with 0 score. Make a rule regarding it, well they won't care even if you make a rule cuz they are uc and you won't be able to identify the main account due to well known reasons. I don't know but something needs to be done
edit; disallow multiaccounting

[Karu_Tepes]

2k fine isn't enough to stop me, all cops are uc accounts, they don't give a fuck even if you deduct 20k per kill, they get weapons for free anyway and can be leo with 0 score. Make a rule regarding it, well they won't care even if you make a rule cuz they are uc and you won't be able to identify the main account due to well known reasons. I don't know but something needs to be done
edit; disallow multiaccounting

We need it to simply be "Unless the criminal fires at them, the cop cant harm the criminal" like the old "you cant harm someone you robbed unless they fire at you" script we had. Because as you said, it's done without consequence and they do it to troll.

[Nyut]

2k fine isn't enough to stop me, all cops are uc accounts, they don't give a fuck even if you deduct 20k per kill, they get weapons for free anyway and can be leo with 0 score. Make a rule regarding it, well they won't care even if you make a rule cuz they are uc and you won't be able to identify the main account due to well known reasons. I don't know but something needs to be done
edit; disallow multiaccounting

Basically what Karu said, its a matter of "if they dont shoot, then i should not shoot" system where law enforcement cannot shoot the criminal if the criminal didn't shoot back/surrendered. This should avoid the problem that you mentioned since i agree that 2k fine is not exactly a harsh punishment towards "Unnecessary Force" that the server has.

It's also a way to deter LEOs that kills criminals for "fun" since they will lose all of their money, and its basically a little bit TDM ish as well

[Karu_Tepes]

2k fine isn't enough to stop me, all cops are uc accounts, they don't give a fuck even if you deduct 20k per kill, they get weapons for free anyway and can be leo with 0 score. Make a rule regarding it, well they won't care even if you make a rule cuz they are uc and you won't be able to identify the main account due to well known reasons. I don't know but something needs to be done
edit; disallow multiaccounting

Basically what Karu said, its a matter of "if they dont shoot, then i should not shoot" system where law enforcement cannot shoot the criminal if the criminal didn't shoot back/surrendered. This should avoid the problem that you mentioned since i agree that 2k fine is not exactly a harsh punishment towards "Unnecessary Force" that the server has.

It's also a way to deter LEOs that kills criminals for "fun" since they will lose all of their money, and its basically a little bit TDM ish as well

Yeah, the LEOs killing for fun just so we lose all our money are the big problem. And it's a BIG problem because many are doing it because they find it funny, and I'm out about 200k from it. It's not funny, it's not fun, it's just infuriating and making it feel like shit to play. Like things have been bad here, but I literally feel like logging in is a damn chore now because I either make pennies doing legal stuff, or rob and lose everything because of a LEO who think it's funny.

[Robin]

Honestly the complete loss of money works both ways.
Did 2+ hours of Army earlier this week, then crashed a Hydra into a mountain-like group base by Blueberry that didn't spawn until I was a singular meter in front of it and had no way of slowing down or avoiding it. Lost 2 hours of paychecks and kills because of it.

Losing ALL your money on death is harsh imo, especially since paychecks for LEOs are done in cash (WHY???). Maybe 50% loss upon death?

[Be_Quiet]

Though you can deposit your money in bank when you have a good amount of money, you can lose it all in a minute. Losing a percentage of your money in your hands is better. You literally spawn with 0$ and can't buy anything as swat from the item rack. +1.

[Faraon78910]

How is killing someone trolling? That's LEOs job. IMO cops shouldn't be ever fined for killing highly wanted suspect (red+). What Beaten said, cops need nerf regarding free weapons.

The game is now realistic and it's not realistic to get 50 or any percentage of your money back after death. An ATM is now on every corner and you can still deposit 100K in less than a minute. If I hadn't lost all my pocket money on respawn, I would have definitely had 2 vehicles by now and I spent at least half my time killing instead of robbing. Everyone would get rich again very quickly.

[Karu_Tepes]

How is killing someone trolling? That's LEOs job. IMO cops shouldn't be ever fined for killing highly wanted suspect (red+). What Beaten said, cops need nerf regarding free weapons.

The game is now realistic and it's not realistic to get 50 or any percentage of your money back after death. An ATM is now on every corner and you can still deposit 100K in less than a minute. If I hadn't lost all my pocket money on respawn, I would have definitely had 2 vehicles by now and I spent at least half my time killing instead of robbing. Everyone would get rich again very quickly.

Thank you for supporting TDM, the exact opposite of what CNR is. You have shown yourself to be exactly what V10 was supposed to erase.

If someone surrenders to you, isn't fighting, and says "ok, you got me, arrest me", do you really think it's ok to insult them and throw a grenade in their face?