Russia - Ukrain.

[[Lsrcr]PiPo]

Discus.

IMO it should be solved talkin, however im hard headed it will go like this.

Does Russia have the rights to claim back what once was theirs?

[[Lsrcr]PiPo]

I do totally agree with you, expect i cant fly a plane.

It's also week that they do this right now when they are vunarable after all those riot's at Kiev and so on. Let them find a democratic way, due talks not fights.

[[Lsrcr]PiPo]

Just a to the point question ; Do you think shots will be fired?

[iBig.]

Russia doesn't care about anything, that is why its really fked to live where I live, Finland, a place Russia always wanted, + they have got shit ton of soldiers near our border anyway for unknown reasons.

[[Lsrcr]PiPo]

Russia doesn't care about anything, that is why its really fked to live where I live, Finland, a place Russia always wanted, + they have got shit ton of soldiers near our border anyway for unknown reasons.

Showing there power.

We had this year a ''celebration'' between Russia and The Netherlands, but after a russian politician was caught drunk driving as same as for his wife. They did get caught by the dutch police. Russia was furious about this, and started to made up reasons for their citizens to hate us. (Our milk would't be safe, We did't held ourself to agreements, and keep on going)

What i'm trying to say is that indeed Putin doesn't give a flying fuck about anything else then himself and Russia. And how much as i want to believe Europe will find a peace full way, i got a bad feeling bout it. At Least for Ukraine

[iBig.]

Russia doesn't care about anything, that is why its really fked to live where I live, Finland, a place Russia always wanted, + they have got shit ton of soldiers near our border anyway for unknown reasons.

Showing there power.

We had this year a ''celebration'' between Russia and The Netherlands, but after a russian politician was caught drunk driving as same as for his wife. They did get caught by the dutch police. Russia was furious about this, and started to made up reasons for their citizens to hate us. (Our milk would't be safe, We did't held ourself to agreements, and keep on going)

What i'm trying to say is that indeed Putin doesn't give a flying fuck about anything else then himself and Russia. And how much as i want to believe Europe will find a peace full way, i got a bad feeling bout it. At Least for Ukraine

Sounds about right. Even tho, he doesn't give a fuck about Russia either, maybe he likes the name, but he doesn't care about the people at all.

[MacZ]

Let me tell you something.

Actually before Russia had shit, Romania was the historical owner of Ukraine

No, Romania never had a significant territory of Ukraine (only a small portion of south and north-west).

It's not fair and the russians will get pwnt by the NATO forces (again).

Did Russians ever get "pwnt" by the NATO? Really?
Don't wake up the bear.

and Europe get involved, they don't want to see Russia fucked up by 5 nukes.

"Europe" will not get involved. At least Germany and France won't. Germany supports Russian intervention in Crimea Peninsula, and I think France supports them as well (not sure though). There were some conferences through the telephone between their presidents.
Remember that Russia has nukes all over the world as well.

P.S. It's only an opinion and there's no reason to start crying because we don't dictate the politics.

[*Sunday*]

Let me tell you something.

No, Romania never had a significant territory of Ukraine (only a small portion of south and north-west).

Did Russians ever get "pwnt" by the NATO? Really?
Don't wake up the bear.

"Europe" will not get involved. At least Germany and France won't. Germany supports Russian intervention in Crimea Peninsula, and I think France supports them as well (not sure though). There were some conferences through the telephone between their presidents.
Remember that Russia has nukes all over the world as well.

P.S. It's only an opinion and there's no reason to start crying because we don't dictate the politics.

1) Dacia owned a huge part of Ukraine and romanians are dacians+romans (that's Romania)

2) Russia got pwned by the US, EU collaborating with them by the Cold War, aswell russians got pwned in Vietnam by both Europe and US and that's technically NATO.

3) Europe as NATO members will get involved because USA (NATO leaders) will order so. If Germany and France won't get in they will be aisled by the other NATO countries who will participate against Russia.

Russia has nukes but NATO has an anti-missile shield so Russia can't do shit against that.

I don't think you quite understand the concept of war and politics.

1. So what? Technically Ukraine should be a part of Russia. The first ever Russian state was the Kiev Rus'. Almost every neighboring nation could produce a claim on a territory. Just because somebody once owned some land doesn't mean they own it forever. So I guess you'd also like to remove the US since Indians are the true owners of their land?

2. Russia didn't get "pwned" during the Cold War mainly because Russia didn't even exist back then. The Soviet Union collapsed due to internal conflicts. Yeah, USA surely influenced this but the very people of the Soviet Union made it collapse, without their rebellion USA wouldn't have done anything. Russia (Soviet Union) didn't participate in the Vietnam war, they just supplied Vietnam. And I hope you realise that USA lost the war in Vietnam, it fell under communism after US troops left. First check your facts then talk.

3. That's not how NATO works. NATO members declare war if a member is attacked. Ukraine isn't a NATO member and therefore Russia attacking Ukraine doesn't concern NATO members. And no, USA can't order NATO members to attack, that's not how things work in NATO. In fact, if USA gets involved in a war with Russia it's very likely most NATO members will decide to stay neutral at any cost.

Both USA and Russia have nuclear weapons. So what if NATO has an anti-missile shield? That makes things harder for Russians but it's still very possible that you get nuked. Russia can "do shit about that". I think you're really underestimating Russia's military power.

[MaxDSL]

Not only Ukraine is not a NATO member, BUT Russia deployed their troops on Crimean AUTONOMOUS Republic. A NATO intervention in this conflict would not happen IMO.

Here's my prognosis for the next weeks/months.
Ukraine is practically insolvent after the recent events. It will most likely be divided into 3 parts (West Ukraine, East Ukraine and Crimea, maybe Odessa also, not sure). When the division will be over, the Russian troops will return back and peacekeeping units remaining on Crimean land. People will do everything possible to prevent an armed conflict, it will end up most likely in economical purposes.

[Juice.]

Wow MaxDSL. I haven't read that name in ages.