SWAT Bomb

[Uzzwal.]

Actually SWAT Bomb wasn't and isn't necessary for SWAT at all, First of all SWAT is team Faction with lot of special equipments.
Once SWAT comes chasing you or us, There's 99.9% chance of being dragged. If SWAT members are active and teaming up, In no time Server Civilians gets white and needs to wait for someone to commit crime again. So it doesn't balance the gameplay. Except SWAT Bomb, SWAT still has lot of advantages. So i just think something must be done here.

It wouldn't be necessary if there would be no black market. Personally I find army's tank wayyy more OP than SWAT bomb, if you know how to use it, then a group of cophunters don't stand a chance against it, but it doesn't send you to jail so people don't have problem with it, instead they say bomb is OP because it eventually results in them going to jail.

I am not in favor of anything, I just said what i felt and saw when i played as civilian, Army Tank is extremely slow and Criminals have enough chance to run away when Army member comes up with Tank unlike in Swat which freezes suspect vehicle and is easy to use just command, except SWAT SWAT still has lot of features and advantages, I just saw Demon's reply here few minutes ago but i can't see now, I don't know the reason.

[ackman]

Actually SWAT Bomb wasn't and isn't necessary for SWAT at all, First of all SWAT is team Faction with lot of special equipments.
Once SWAT comes chasing you or us, There's 99.9% chance of being dragged. If SWAT members are active and teaming up, In no time Server Civilians gets white and needs to wait for someone to commit crime again. So it doesn't balance the gameplay. Except SWAT Bomb, SWAT still has lot of advantages. So i just think something must be done here.

It wouldn't be necessary if there would be no black market. Personally I find army's tank wayyy more OP than SWAT bomb, if you know how to use it, then a group of cophunters don't stand a chance against it, but it doesn't send you to jail so people don't have problem with it, instead they say bomb is OP because it eventually results in them going to jail.

So in short you literally believe that Army tank is overpowered but SWAT bomb isn't/ Army Tank is very slow and player can easily run in mean while. Army tank cannot even enter tunnel from Market nor it could be driven over the stairs.

SWAT stands for Special Weapons & Tactics - yet they have got zero tactics, copying /taze or /cuff isn't a tactic. All they do is..... they get a SWAT bomber with em' and when all the suspects in the radius gets frozen they'll Ctrl+v ID and push enter. That'd be it, there were 0 tactics or efforts shown since they're being biased on a server feature so called bomb.

Tactics would be, you take down a whole cop hunt by using other commands, for example /rb & /swvm and what so not (which includes team work as well only if you don't play for score but for fun). Cop hunt is mostly done by the teams so I'd prefer the same for ALL LEOS (not specifically to SWAT). Stop playing for score, be a team and show some tactics. Just like we cop-hunters do, we don't get score or money for taking down the police officer, we only cop hunt for fun.

They don't stand a chance against criminals (excluding solo robbers) without BOMB because they're only biased on the bomb, when they lose their bomb, they travel back to the base to get the new one and avoid all the criminals coming in way because they know that they're nothing without it.

[Robin]

Actually SWAT Bomb wasn't and isn't necessary for SWAT at all, First of all SWAT is team Faction with lot of special equipments.
Once SWAT comes chasing you or us, There's 99.9% chance of being dragged. If SWAT members are active and teaming up, In no time Server Civilians gets white and needs to wait for someone to commit crime again. So it doesn't balance the gameplay. Except SWAT Bomb, SWAT still has lot of advantages. So i just think something must be done here.

It wouldn't be necessary if there would be no black market. Personally I find army's tank wayyy more OP than SWAT bomb, if you know how to use it, then a group of cophunters don't stand a chance against it, but it doesn't send you to jail so people don't have problem with it, instead they say bomb is OP because it eventually results in them going to jail.

The Rhino is way too slow, you’ll never catch a group of cop hunters unless they take a wrong turn and go to you instead of the way around.

[Nikola]

To me, using the bomb is one of the 'tactics' to get a criminal quickly.
I don't know why you keep bringing up the fact that it stops the vehicle of cophunters for instance, and freezes them for a few seconds, what is wrong with that?

You cannot possibly expect us to use /rb and /swvm against 5 cophunters who are all opening fire at us, making /swvm useless once the car catches fire, and /rb itself is hard to implement as a mean of stopping the vehicle due to lag, not to mention that multiple mechanics are involved in fixing their car, making it near impossible for us to disable the vehicle in any other way.

You complained when bomb used to kill you, which was honestly a far better alternative for criminals, now that it was made non-lethal, you realized that waiting in jail is actually much worse.
This is not a matter of playing for score, it's a matter of ending a criminal spree as quickly and as effectively as we can.

Bomb is primarily used on cophunters, or vortex/mountain bike scenarios with solo player, and it is justified as these players are very hard to take down due to their own benefit (mountain bike being practically indestructible, and vortex having an auto lock on any nearby player, resulting in almost instant kill)

As others said, try to understand how things are from our side. To be honest you shouldn't have suggested changing the initial lethal bomb at all, that was the first step that got us into this mess, and I know that all I say now is not going to come through to you because you are fixated on your own gameplay, but so are we, and if we cannot seem to reach an understanding here that in order for us to have something useful, you have to sacrifice some aspects of gameplay, and vice versa where we have to sacrifice things so that you can have your own useful aspects, then I'm afraid the best option would be to revert things to how they used to be, with no Black Market, and no new bomb.

This is just another beating around the dead bush where we all talk so much, but not listen to what others have to say at all, which is why we will not be able to solve this properly, but only further intolerance between us.

Bottom line is, remember what this server stands for, and remember what it used to be, in terms of criminals escaping police, and robbing stores, not killing and hunting down police/army/swat.

This is your biggest flaw, you are trying to change the whole point of this server and gameplay it has to offer.

[Faraon78910]

add limit to amount of bombs you can take in one life (2 would seem alright)

add cooldown on suspect, for example if X player uses swat bomb on me, other players cant use swat bomb for 5 minutes on me. decrease cd if used on more suspects while also used on me

I see this as only solution that makes sense and would make both sides satisfied
vote on this

[Karu_Tepes]

by Faraon78910 » August 8, 2019, 1:41 pm
Faraon78910 wrote :
add limit to amount of bombs you can take in one life (2 would seem alright)

add cooldown on suspect, for example if X player uses swat bomb on me, other players cant use swat bomb for 5 minutes on me. decrease cd if used on more suspects while also used on me

I see this as only solution that makes sense and would make both sides satisfied
vote on this

Ironic that you only see your solution as the solution. This is a complex issue. We need ideas, not self egotistical gloating. Your idea is not the only possible one. Also, it's pretty bad.

[Playa]

I mean swat would be more than happy to go back to the old bomb. Your only issue with the bomb is that you get arrested. Getting killed was better than getting arrested wasn't it?